Christianity and Religion

[Cliffy]

Yup. It's the power of Krast, Krishna, Christ already the solar spark in our material body which is us the meat is just a vehicle for us here in the underworld. The word religion has new meaning for me since I started reading the old guys. It certainly carried different meaning then than it does now. Now it seems to be a suspicious thing we should be wary of and as a result it is underexplored in our cultue. All of the magnificent philosophy of antiquity was replaced with diet wisdom and fat free faith, another word trampled by dogma. There's around thirty or so names in the Bible that mean Jesus. And it's Jesus a Christ not Jesus thee Christ. Religion, can't we reclaim the word or is it to late for that do you think?

I think more and more, people are questioning the authority of religion. A man once said that the reason we are kept in school for 12 years is because that is how long it takes to brainwash people into not questioning authority, whether it is religious or political. But a percentage of people grow up immune to the brainwashing and do question. Why that is is a matter of speculation. But I do believe the percentages are rising. For those who have succumbed, religion seems a natural place for them to be. They seem to need authority to tell them what to believe, how to act, etc. Spiritual evolution will eventually eliminate the necessity of religion or politics, but not likely in our time. The plus side is, we may be back to witness it.

 

[darkbeaver]

I think more and more, people are questioning the authority of religion. A man once said that the reason we are kept in school for 12 years is because that is how long it takes to brainwash people into not questioning authority, whether it is religious or political. But a percentage of people grow up immune to the brainwashing and do question. Why that is is a matter of speculation. But I do believe the percentages are rising. For those who have succumbed, religion seems a natural place for them to be. They seem to need authority to tell them what to believe, how to act, etc. Spiritual evolution will eventually eliminate the necessity of religion or politics, but not likely in our time. The plus side is, we may be back to witness it.

Coming back is not fun Cliffy, I can tell you from personal experience, I climb the golden stairs to the gate Saint Petros asks me a question, I answer and the trap door beneath my feet opens and I find myself staring at the ceiling in a delivery room or the bushes at the side of the trail, always the same and I can't for the death of me think of the question. Something about beer maybe?

They say public education was developed to curtail discussion of subjects just like this. Real religion and real politics were to be excluded as much as possible from our dayly bread.

It's successful spiritual evolution that delivers us from hell. But it can't ever be a mass produced deliverance, life in hell is an absolutely necessary part of the elevation out of the material world and back to the empyrean. If we fixed all the ills of the world life on it would cease, only a balance between good and evil ensures progress of the spirit, I've read. I guess I've adopted the truism that necessity is the mother of spiritualism and if we fix every ones necessities we condemn them to stagnation and extinction. You enjoy the struggles of life and your victory over them why deny them to the next lot who will need them to grow same as you did.
Talking about this stuff is very enjoyable isn't it? That's why we weren't encouraged to do it earlier. They don't want us happy.

 

[Motar]

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I can't begin to tell you all how much I've enjoyed this discussion. I appreciate each and every one of you. Some believers shy away from such discourse, thinking it unspiritual. The Spirit of peace and joy within me says otherwise : )

 

[petros]

There is only one true version of Christianity and the OT malarky is limited, there is no rapture, the message isn't literal and anyone can find the cornerstones of and keystones for a peaceful society to practice the knowledge and rites provided in the Scriptures to achieve piece of mind and the courage to succeed in life without using or oppressing others even if they are gay, diseased, poor, a different color, dimwitted, gimped or misguided Jew.

 

[MHz]

I recognize your universalist point of view, Gerry. I know that God's grace will not be accepted by all because He says so. There are 3 parables in Matthew 25 that end like this:

"But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you." (Matthew 25:12 NIV)

"And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 25:30 NIV)

“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” (Matthew 25:46 NIV)

"There is the parable of the ten virgins, which tests the genuineness of the faith of Israel; the parable of the talents, which tests the faithfulness of His servants; and the judgment of the gentile nations, which tests their right of admission into the Kingdom. This chapter shows the significance of the coming of Christ as it relates to these groups that shall then be in the world. A close analysis of each group will reveal that it can be stripped down to a personal attitude and relationship to Jesus Christ...For those who reject there is only judgment -" (J. Vernon McGee)

You do realize that the 2/3 that die in the last few verses of Zec:13 are the ones from the Gentile Nations that you mention. The place theu go top is the same places that all fallen angels are in now and that is the same place that Satan will be in when he is in chains for the 1,000 year reign. Commonly called hell and for the men sent there they are there for as long as hell exists. It is opened at the start of the trumps and in the next 3 1/2 years it will be a place Jews are sent to and at the return those Jews are resurrected to life to join the 144,000 that didn't die at all. It will be the Gentiles who then reside in hell for the whole lenght of time that hell exists. It is empties of people at the Great White Throne. The people released have fulfilled their punishment and God can pardon them rather than send them for more punishment. Do you really see them getting more punishment after the verses below are made real.

Re:7:9-17:
After this I beheld,
and,
lo,
a great multitude,
which no man could number,
of all nations,
and kindreds,
and people,
and tongues,
stood before the throne,
and before the Lamb,
clothed with white robes,
and palms in their hands;
And cried with a loud voice,
saying,
Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne,
and unto the Lamb.
And all the angels stood round about the throne,
and about the elders and the four beasts,
and fell before the throne on their faces,
and worshipped God,
Saying,
Amen:
Blessing,
and glory,
and wisdom,
and thanksgiving,
and honour,
and power,
and might,
be unto our God for ever and ever.
Amen.
And one of the elders answered,
saying unto me,
What are these which are arrayed in white robes?
and whence came they?
And I said unto him,
Sir,
thou knowest.
And he said to me,
These are they which came out of great tribulation,
and have washed their robes,
and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Therefore are they before the throne of God,
and serve him day and night in his temple:
and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
hey shall hunger no more,
neither thirst any more;
neither shall the sun light on them,
nor any heat.
For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them,
and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters:
and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

Universalism
a : a theological doctrine that all human beings will eventually be saved
b : the principles and practices of a liberal Christian denomination founded in the 18th century originally to uphold belief in universal salvation and now united with Unitarianism
Universalism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

"Surely the Epistle to the Galatians has a message for us of like temper, who are beset on every hand by cults and isms innumerable that would take us, likewise, from our moorings in the gospel of grace."
http://thruthebible.ca/notes/Galatians.pdf

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Will these sparrows be alive in the new earth? If the sparrows are there how many men would not be there? Do the ones chastised in Herbrews 12 then sent for more punishment?

Lu:12:6: Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, and not one of them is forgotten before God?
Lu:12:7: But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.

 

[Gilgamesh]

Jesus was, by modern standards, an Orthodox Jewish itinerant rabbi preaching solely to his fellow Jews.

All the references to a church and such came later, from two of the worlds greatest salesmen, Paul & Jesus' elder brother James. James is the guy who doesn't exist according to Vatican propaganda (for obvious reasons LOL).

 

[Cliffy]