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Sal

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Musta been quite some shyte he was smoking...lol
lol...or swallowed...actually you don't need drugs to do that...but you do have to lose the fear aspect which means setting ego aside, I think that is the part that holds most back..."will to survive"...lol
 

Motar

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lol...or swallowed...actually you don't need drugs to do that...but you do have to lose the fear aspect which means setting ego aside, I think that is the part that holds most back..."will to survive"...lol

I just read a news article concerning psychiatric drugs (sedatives and anxiolytics) and the 90,000 ER visits they precipitate in the U.S. annually. I wonder what kind of stats Canada is reporting. Why are so many living in industrialized nations so wound up and over-medicated?
 
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Sal

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I just read a news article concerning psychiatric drugs (sedatives and anxiolytics) and the 90,000 ER visits they precipitate in the U.S. annually. I wonder what kind of stats Canada is reporting. Why are so many living in developed nations so wound up and over-medicated?

lol...here let me start a list of why I think it is happening...a belief that medication can do for you what you can not do for yourself


  • no ability to spend time alone with themselves so always with others
  • no desire to balance themselves
  • avoidance of time to reflect
  • a confusion about what matters in life or has value
  • at a loss as to how to connect on a deep level with other human beings (intimacy)
  • a me first attitude that is reinforced by society that says you aren't soft, you are tough and take what you need for yourself
  • inability to be present in the here and now, focusing on what was or what might be
wanna add to the list


what are your thoughts Motar?
 

Cliffy

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question Cliffy about that experience:
did you find you were all and everything was you...like there are no boundaries it all flows but there is still a distinct feeling of me (ness)?
No, no me-ness at the highest point of connection. At lesser levels, like microscopic vision, there is an awareness of an observer but the ego Cliff ceases to have meaning.
 

Sal

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No, no me-ness at the highest point of connection. At lesser levels, like microscopic vision, there is an awareness of an observer but the ego Cliff ceases to have meaning.
okay Cliffy thanks...haven't been to that level yet...and frankly didn't even mean to go to the level I reached...did it only accidentally while exploring and questioning possibilities
 

Cliffy

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okay Cliffy thanks...haven't been to that level yet...and frankly didn't even mean to go to the level I reached...did it only accidentally while exploring and questioning possibilities
And the best trips are the accidental ones. I admit to having done a lot of acid in my day but I have been far beyond that in aboriginal spiritual ceremony. Acid is a window that closes when you come down. It shows possibilities. My teacher took me trough the door and allowed me to live on the other side of this veil of lies we live in.
 

Motar

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lol...here let me start a list of why I think it is happening...a belief that medication can do for you what you can not do for yourself


  • no ability to spend time alone with themselves so always with others
  • no desire to balance themselves
  • avoidance of time to reflect
  • a confusion about what matters in life or has value
  • at a loss as to how to connect on a deep level with other human beings (intimacy)
  • a me first attitude that is reinforced by society that says you aren't soft, you are tough and take what you need for yourself
  • inability to be present in the here and now, focusing on what was or what might be
wanna add to the list


what are your thoughts Motar?

Albrecht's theory of social intelligence comes to mind, Sal. There is more to human intelligence than IQ and a head full of facts.The social and emotional competences cannot be gleaned from a textbook.
 

Sal

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And the best trips are the accidental ones. I admit to having done a lot of acid in my day but I have been far beyond that in aboriginal spiritual ceremony. Acid is a window that closes when you come down. It shows possibilities. My teacher took me trough the door and allowed me to live on the other side of this veil of lies we live in.
what a wonderful opportunity you've been given with aboriginal spiritual ceremony...

it would be awesome to have a guide on the trip..well I did have a guide per se ;-)

due to my nature I would not be comfortable taking acid...my body is super adverse to drugs, ...even alcohol can be a bad experience...I can drink in moderation on a daily basis one glass and it's all good...much more and I'm fuked physically for days..

I have to do everything is baby steps

I find the Maori culture pulls me...I think they are one of the most highly evolved on the planet

anyway, haven't gone tripping for a long time...I miss it

Albrecht's theory of social intelligence comes to mind, Sal. There is more to human intelligence than IQ and a head full of facts.The social and emotional competences cannot be gleaned from a textbook.
EVERYthing we need to live in peace is either inside or presented to us via people who come into our world...recognizing that and then responding is our life challenge.

I will look up Albrecht since he has been placed before me. ;-)
 

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And the best trips are the accidental ones. I admit to having done a lot of acid in my day but I have been far beyond that in aboriginal spiritual ceremony. Acid is a window that closes when you come down. It shows possibilities. My teacher took me trough the door and allowed me to live on the other side of this veil of lies we live in.

Here's an odd and potentially negative question. Is it possible to live on the other side of the veil in todays world? Amongst our friends and such with out being damaged, and abused by others?

How do you keep pride from rearing it's ugly head?
 

Cliffy

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Here's an odd and potentially negative question. Is it possible to live on the other side of the veil in todays world? Amongst our friends and such with out being damaged, and abused by others?

How do you keep pride from rearing it's ugly head?
A certain amount of detachment is required. I live in this world but I am not affected by the negativity. I am open to people normally. I trust in their good side... until they show me their true self. If they are users, I back off and protect myself from their negativity.

When I view the world, I see two things going on; one is the old paradigm using more and more violence to try to cling to their perceived control and power. One the other side, I see more people becoming aware and slowly weaning themselves of the paradigm of fear and control. People are searching for a new way to live in peace and harmony with all life. The more awaken, the more violent the old paradigm becomes. Just walk away and stop feeding their egos with fear. Fear is the only power they have. Stop being afraid and trust that humanity is evolving in spite of what you are being told. Shoot your TV. Stop listening to their propaganda. Claim your sovereignty as an individual and gather your tribe around you.

 

Dexter Sinister

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Having considered Karl Albrecht's theory of social intelligence, do you think there might be something more to human intelligence than just synapses and neurotransmitters, Dex?
I can see where that question's leading. Short answer: no. Longer answer: I'm a materialist in this context, which means I believe matter and its interactions are the fundamental reality, so what we call "mind" must at least in principle be explicable in those terms, because that's all there is.
 

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Epiphany and ecstasy do not necessarily have anything to do with religion or spirituality. Sometimes, in a heightened state of awareness the ego steps aside and we can experience pure consciousness, we experience the connection between all living thing, the interconnectedness, the oneness of all life. I have witnessed a tree cease to be just bark, leaves and wood and become pure flowing energy. I have seen an entire forest, with all its bio diversity disolve into pure flowing energy. While staring at a bumble bee, I sundenly had microscopic vision and traveled down to the atomic, then sub atomic level and I've traveled out through our solar system (and that one I shared with two companions). Guess what? No gods, no angels, no fairies or unicorns.
this reminds me of a couple of books I read in the 70's The Tao of Physics, and Kundalinni by Gopi Krisna.

It also describes the experience one has if they get to view The Dance of Shiva.

It's only a matter of time before science claims discovery of sub atomic mind particles?
i think quantum physics is doing just that.
 

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I can see where that question's leading. Short answer: no. Longer answer: I'm a materialist in this context, which means I believe matter and its interactions are the fundamental reality, so what we call "mind" must at least in principle be explicable in those terms, because that's all there is.

The ancient axiom is mind over matter. As far as I know there is no demonstration of the brain constituting mind or consciousness and there is no understanding of matter either.
Has any brain surgeon every discovered an idea or a piece of art during an operation? Maya is the name the old natural Philosophy gave to matter, it meant illusion, and still does.

Horus says (Rit., Ch. 64): "I go to give movement to the Manes; I go to comfort him who is in a swoon,"--showing the perfect matching of Egyptian and Tibetan "necrological science.

The swoon attending each further step matterward deepens by degrees until it amounts to the full "sleep" or "dream" of mortal existence, introduced by the incubus of body upon spirits of light. It is the Oriental Maya. The vivid awareness of existence which we feel so indubitably is to the ancient sages only a dull slumber and stupor in comparison with that life of ecstatic realism from which we were divulsed by the decree of our Fate.
 

Dexter Sinister

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The ancient axiom is wrong, and there's plenty of evidence from neuroscience that the mind is a manifestation of physical activity--matter and energy interacting--in the brain. Electromagnetic stimulation of brain tissue can evoke very specific memories and physical injury to the brain clearly can affect the mind. You could hardly ask for clearer evidence than that, but as usual, just as your understanding of physics hasn't progressed beyond Maxwell's equations for electromagnetism, your knowledge of the science is at least a century out of date. And if you're citing fictitious Egyptian deities like Horus, maybe 5000 years would be a better estimate of how far behind you are.
 

Motar

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The ancient axiom is wrong, and there's plenty of evidence from neuroscience that the mind is a manifestation of physical activity--matter and energy interacting--in the brain. Electromagnetic stimulation of brain tissue can evoke very specific memories and physical injury to the brain clearly can affect the mind. You could hardly ask for clearer evidence than that, but as usual, just as your understanding of physics hasn't progressed beyond Maxwell's equations for electromagnetism, your knowledge of the science is at least a century out of date. And if you're citing fictitious Egyptian deities like Horus, maybe 5000 years would be a better estimate of how far behind you are.

Play nice, Dex : )