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"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. 'Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ 'Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?' 'The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ 'Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ 'They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ 'He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ 'Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” (Matthew 25:31-46 NIV)
In our day, "the 99%" self-identify as the underprivileged majority in global income/wealth. I wonder if correlation exists between personal material destitution and personal spiritual poverty. Will "the 1%" triumph twice - in the material world and in eternity? Do the scriptures support this outcome?
I'm thinking not.
Zec:13:8:
And it shall come to pass,
that in all the land,
saith the LORD,
two parts therein shall be cut off and die;
but the third shall be left therein.
Zec:13:9:
And I will bring the third part through the fire,
and will refine them as silver is refined,
and will try them as gold is tried:
they shall call on my name,
and I will hear them:
I will say,
It is my people:
and they shall say,
The LORD is my God.
Jer:25:26:
And all the kings of the north,
far and near,
one with another,
and all the kingdoms of the world,
which are upon the face of the earth:
and the king of Sheshach shall drink after them.
Jer:25:29-33:
For,
lo,
I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name,
and should ye be utterly unpunished?
Ye shall not be unpunished:
for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth,
saith the LORD of hosts.
Therefore prophesy thou against them all these words,
and say unto them,
The LORD shall roar from on high,
and utter his voice from his holy habitation;
he shall mightily roar upon his habitation;
he shall give a shout,
as they that tread the grapes,
against all the inhabitants of the earth.
A noise shall come even to the ends of the earth;
for the LORD hath a controversy with the nations,
he will plead with all flesh;
he will give them that are wicked to the sword,
saith the LORD.
Thus saith the LORD of hosts,
Behold,
evil shall go forth from nation to nation,
and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth.
And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth:
they shall not be lamented,
neither gathered,
nor buried;
they shall be dung upon the ground.
Eze:39:6:
And I will send a fire on Magog,
and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles:
and they shall know that I am the LORD.
To get the ratio up there God uses a few terms in the NT that allow Him to include way more that 2/3 of the world's population, terms like 'busy bodies' cover a lot of people not connected to armies.
No need to use your imagination.
Isa:65:12-15:
Therefore will I number you to the sword,
and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter:
because when I called,
ye did not answer;
when I spake,
ye did not hear;
but did evil before mine eyes,
and did choose that wherein I delighted not.
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD,
Behold,
my servants shall eat,
but ye shall be hungry:
behold,
my servants shall drink,
but ye shall be thirsty:
behold,
my servants shall rejoice,
but ye shall be ashamed:
Behold,
my servants shall sing for joy of heart,
but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart,
and shall howl for vexation of spirit.
And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen:
for the Lord GOD shall slay thee,
and call his servants by another name:
(not that it matters to this post but the ones sent to the grave are brought out of the gave at the Great White Throne events and when asked, 'Who is stronger?' what would the truthful answer be? Disbelief in God or hell isn't going to be of any help)
Isa:28:15:
Because ye have said,
We have made a covenant with death,
and with hell are we at agreement;
when the overflowing scourge shall pass through,
it shall not come unto us:
for we have made lies our refuge,
and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
Isa:28:18:
And your covenant with death shall be disannulled,
and your agreement with hell shall not stand;
when the overflowing scourge shall pass through,
then ye shall be trodden down by it.
No, the ratio is 2/3 goats and 1/3 sheep. The place prepared for Satan and the fallen angels is hell, it is a holding area before they are sent to the fiery lake. The Beast from the Pit and the 4 angels released for the 5th and 6th trump have been in there since the flood and they can be sent to the lake and they are at the return. Satan hasn't been to hell that is why he is sent there for the 1,000 years instead of being sent straight to the lake. As a side-note since members of this board would see at least a few go to hell there are able to witness their old boss in chains and they can rightfully mock him. When Satan is let out the gates of hell remain locked so no men end up in the lake and when they are released at the Great White Throne they are sinless so God is able to offer them a drink of living water and they get to use free-will do drink or not. The 'nots' would then get sent to the fiery lake, a longer version of what they experienced in hell so nobody will pass up on the water offer)
The bible gives the very rich a lifeline. They need to make the journey to heaven by camel.
Matthew 19:24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."
That means all the donations to the Churches won't get you a seat in the 1,000 year reign, it actually eliminates the possibility of them being able to be there. The 7 letters to the 7 Churches define who gets to be called a sheep and who gets to be called a goat. The qualifications are easy enough to understand on the very first read. Peter also expands on how to tell the difference, so does Paul so ignorance can't be claimed.
1Pe:4:12-18:
Beloved,
think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you,
as though some strange thing happened unto you:
But rejoice,
inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings;
that,
when his glory shall be revealed,
ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.
If ye be reproached for the name of Christ,
happy are ye;
for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you:
on their part he is evil spoken of,
but on your part he is glorified.
But let none of you suffer as a murderer,
or as a thief,
or as an evildoer,
or as a busybody in other men's matters.
Yet if any man suffer as a Christian,
let him not be ashamed;
but let him glorify God on this behalf.
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God:
and if it first begin at us,
what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
And if the righteous scarcely be saved,
where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
Ro:13:6-9:
For for this cause pay ye tribute also:
for they are God's ministers,
attending continually upon this very thing.
Render therefore to all their dues:
tribute to whom tribute is due;
custom to whom custom;
fear to whom fear;
honour to whom honour.
Owe no man any thing,
but to love one another:
for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
For this,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not kill,
Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Thou shalt not covet;
and if there be any other commandment,
it is briefly comprehended in this saying,
namely,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
1Pe:4:12-18:
Beloved,
think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you,
as though some strange thing happened unto you:
But rejoice,
inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings;
that,
when his glory shall be revealed,
ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.
If ye be reproached for the name of Christ,
happy are ye;
for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you:
on their part he is evil spoken of,
but on your part he is glorified.
But let none of you suffer as a murderer,
or as a thief,
or as an evildoer,
or as a busybody in other men's matters.
Yet if any man suffer as a Christian,
let him not be ashamed;
but let him glorify God on this behalf.
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God:
and if it first begin at us,
what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
And if the righteous scarcely be saved,
where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
Ro:13:6-9:
For for this cause pay ye tribute also:
for they are God's ministers,
attending continually upon this very thing.
Render therefore to all their dues:
tribute to whom tribute is due;
custom to whom custom;
fear to whom fear;
honour to whom honour.
Owe no man any thing,
but to love one another:
for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
For this,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not kill,
Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Thou shalt not covet;
and if there be any other commandment,
it is briefly comprehended in this saying,
namely,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Your question has nothing to do with the text. It says not a word about wealth or poverty. I speaks of feeding the hungry, giving drink to the thirsty, clothing the naked, taking in the homeless, and comforting the sick and imprisoned. And it says those who do these things will have live eternal, and those who do not do these things will have everlasting punishment.
There is not one single word about having or not having money.
When 2/3 are destined to be classified as unbelievers (un-repented) why would you think there is any demand that the book gather anybody at all? The number isn't set to be examined before the 7th trump rather than the first. The book is there to satisfy the verse below. The 2nd verse shows the earth can be engulfed in flames before the first trump sounds, the numbers for the last part is giveb as a ration. 6.66B would be the number we would use at this current date, The world's population can be as low as 660,000 people and prophecy can still unfold. There is no demand that it even be 'understood, after all that is what a delusion does.
Isa:42:9:
Behold,
the former things are come to pass,
and new things do I declare:
before they spring forth I tell you of them.
Lu:12:49:
I am come to send fire on the earth;
and what will I,
if it be already kindled?
The bolded part are a reflex action for those who understand and accept the words in the NT (and the OT as a supporting document) That would make you a sheep and put you into the first gathering, one that grace covers all their sins. The other ones are still gathered to God at the GWT and they also enter the new earth as residents that make their homes outside of New Jerusalem, the ones who are not punished by death and the ones resurrected for the 1,000 year reign live inside New Jerusalem in the new earth. That is the whole difference as coming from the God of the living.
Money is actually the 'other Gods' mentioned. The mark of the beast is a business permit in those last few years. (the worship of the image is a demand that goes with the mark. The image is a false throne and it will stand on holy ground in Jerusalem for the time the two witnesses are dead so nobody will get to fulfill that part and they are spared the fiery lake, they are not spared death and a visit to hell.
You might be surprised at who God can include as being 'trouble makers' when it comes to seeing innocent Gentiles being killed (compared to it having to be the current Christian Clergy for example as none of them would make it past the trial by fire.)
2Th:1:5-9:
Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God,
that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God,
for which ye also suffer:
Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
And to you who are troubled rest with us,
when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God,
and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord,
and from the glory of his power;
De:4:27:
And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations,
and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen,
whither the LORD shall lead you.
De:4:28:
And there ye shall serve gods,
the work of men's hands,
wood and stone,
which neither see,
nor hear,
nor eat,
nor smell.
You are right about money not keeping you from being saved, being reluctant to let it go by a certain time means it has more value to you than it should.
M't:19:18-23:
He saith unto him,
Which?
Jesus said,
Thou shalt do no murder,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Honour thy father and thy mother:
and,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
The young man saith unto him,
All these things have I kept from my youth up:
what lack I yet?
Jesus said unto him,
If thou wilt be perfect,
go and sell that thou hast,
and give to the poor,
and thou shalt have treasure in heaven:
and come and follow me.
But when the young man heard that saying,
he went away sorrowful:
for he had great possessions.
Then said Jesus unto his disciples,
Verily I say unto you,
That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
It isn't having monety that keeps you out, it is the love of material possessions that will keep you out. How many of the rich people would be able to drop it all in one seconmd as the second they waste just looking or thinking of grabbing something will cost them their lives. (that is why there are two gatherings, one for the ones who do not hesitate and one for the ones that will regret loing all they have acquired)
M't:24:15-21:
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation,
spoken of by Daniel the prophet,
stand in the holy place,
(whoso readeth,
let him understand
Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
And woe unto them that are with child,
and to them that give suck in those days!
But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter,
neither on the sabbath day:
For then shall be great tribulation,
such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time,
no,
nor ever shall be.
Here is another similar instruction concerning the love of money and indifference towards others, TB:
"Just then a (rich) man came up to Jesus and asked, 'Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?' 'Why do you ask me about what is good?' Jesus replied. 'There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.' 'Which ones?' he inquired. Jesus replied, 'You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’
'All these I have kept,' the young man said. 'What do I still lack?' Jesus answered, 'If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.' When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth." (Matthew 16:19-22 NIV)
Re:13:17:
And that no man might buy or sell,
save he that had the mark,
or the name of the beast,
or the number of his name.
Re:18:8-13:
Therefore shall her plagues come in one day,
death,
and mourning,
and famine;
and she shall be utterly burned with fire:
for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
And the kings of the earth,
who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her,
shall bewail her,
and lament for her,
when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
Standing afar off for the fear of her torment,
saying,
Alas,
alas,
that great city Babylon,
that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her;
for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
The merchandise of gold,
and silver,
and precious stones,
and of pearls,
and fine linen,
and purple,
and silk,
and scarlet,
and all thyine wood,
and all manner vessels of ivory,
and all manner vessels of most precious wood,
and of brass,
and iron,
and marble,
And cinnamon,
and odours,
and ointments,
and frankincense,
and wine,
and oil,
and fine flour,
and wheat,
and beasts,
and sheep,
and horses,
and chariots,
and slaves,
and souls of men.
If you really want to know the terms of who God likes and who He doesn't like you should read the 7 letters to the 7 churches because the relationship that defines your position with God will determine if you are going to meet God by goint through door #1 or door #2. Your post is about this verse rather than the letters as it covers just those who call Jesus their Lord, the letters covers all Gentiles. The Church will be found to be quite 'slack' as it would make all of the RCC and all of the Evangelicans fit the goat determination because the members are in a false church and they did not back away from it when they should have.
Lu:6:46:
And why call ye me,
Lord,
Lord,
and do not the things which I say?
There sermon over, any questions?
And that no man might buy or sell,
save he that had the mark,
or the name of the beast,
or the number of his name.
Re:18:8-13:
Therefore shall her plagues come in one day,
death,
and mourning,
and famine;
and she shall be utterly burned with fire:
for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
And the kings of the earth,
who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her,
shall bewail her,
and lament for her,
when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
Standing afar off for the fear of her torment,
saying,
Alas,
alas,
that great city Babylon,
that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her;
for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
The merchandise of gold,
and silver,
and precious stones,
and of pearls,
and fine linen,
and purple,
and silk,
and scarlet,
and all thyine wood,
and all manner vessels of ivory,
and all manner vessels of most precious wood,
and of brass,
and iron,
and marble,
And cinnamon,
and odours,
and ointments,
and frankincense,
and wine,
and oil,
and fine flour,
and wheat,
and beasts,
and sheep,
and horses,
and chariots,
and slaves,
and souls of men.
If you really want to know the terms of who God likes and who He doesn't like you should read the 7 letters to the 7 churches because the relationship that defines your position with God will determine if you are going to meet God by goint through door #1 or door #2. Your post is about this verse rather than the letters as it covers just those who call Jesus their Lord, the letters covers all Gentiles. The Church will be found to be quite 'slack' as it would make all of the RCC and all of the Evangelicans fit the goat determination because the members are in a false church and they did not back away from it when they should have.
Lu:6:46:
And why call ye me,
Lord,
Lord,
and do not the things which I say?
There sermon over, any questions?
I love Christian "scholarship," because it seems like the whole intent of it is to obscure Jesus's two-step instructions for getting into heaven:
1. Believe in him.
2. Be good to people.
Jesus had barely vanished when the disciples started making rules that had nothing to do with believing in Jesus and being good to people. And they ain't paused for one second since then, killing, discriminating, excluding, warring, abusing children, lying, covering up, and most of all, perusing the text and making up stuff to avoid the simple, two-step instructions.
In your profession you sometimes use fine print do you not? Your theory is right and it would qualify you for a resurrection that would get you a spot on the 1,000 year reign.
All the other text might be more useful to the ones that experience the 6 trumps as 'some' will live through that period of time and be witnesses to the return. Gathered to God without seeing the grave, that is what the other parts are helpful for. Somebody in the grave has no use for the verses below, they are very important to the people alive for the first 6 trumps. (the 7th trump is their deaths so it has no relevance)
De:4:29-31:
But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God,
thou shalt find him,
if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
When thou art in tribulation,
and all these things are come upon thee,
even in the latter days,
if thou turn to the LORD thy God,
and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
(For the LORD thy God is a merciful God
he will not forsake thee,
neither destroy thee,
nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.
All the other text might be more useful to the ones that experience the 6 trumps as 'some' will live through that period of time and be witnesses to the return. Gathered to God without seeing the grave, that is what the other parts are helpful for. Somebody in the grave has no use for the verses below, they are very important to the people alive for the first 6 trumps. (the 7th trump is their deaths so it has no relevance)
De:4:29-31:
But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God,
thou shalt find him,
if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
When thou art in tribulation,
and all these things are come upon thee,
even in the latter days,
if thou turn to the LORD thy God,
and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
(For the LORD thy God is a merciful God
he will not forsake thee,
neither destroy thee,
nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.
You've summed up the law and the prophets well, TB. Notice how "believe in him" precedes "be good to people". You will find this fundamental spiritual order throughout the Scriptures. It is impossible to keep the second admonishment without observing the first.
Jesus highlighted the "be good to people" admonishment to the rich young man, who claimed to keep it. His lifestyle stated otherwise.
Plenty of not-rich folk don't keep it neither. Yet every swingin' d*ck of 'em is firmly convinced Saint Peter's just holding the Pearly Gates wide open for 'em.
Oh, it also wasn't an admonition. It was a condition for everlasting life. Anyone who argues that must have at least a master's in theology. Or be ordained.
His lifestyle did qualify him, it was his reluctance to let material wealth to go to the poor that kept him out of being in the Re:20:4 gathering, it doesn't keep him out of the Great White Throne gathering. The ones sent to the grave are kept in the grave when Satan is released with all the fallen angels so none of them end up in the lake.
That would pretty much cover all of Wall St today, shareholders and owners alike..