Of course it isn't. Iran, Iraq, North Korea, now THEY'RE a threat.....lil ol china is no threat what so ever.
Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise
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Of course it isn't. Iran, Iraq, North Korea, now THEY'RE a threat.....lil ol china is no threat what so ever.
We're slow? We're just people on a forum. Slow is the folks with the dumb looks when a sub popped to the surface in the midst of a high seas boating party. Doesn't really matter if it wasn't during any ASW drill ... or is Be Prepared only applicable to Boy Scouts?
Woof!
Yes it does matter. You obviously are outmatched here. Navy ships do not go pinging the ocean 24/7 looking for subs in peace time. They just don't. It is a waste. When a ship is performing ASW it is not a passive effort. It is not like radar where a couple of guys can have their feet on the console waiting for a blip. The complexity of ASW warfare is more than you can fathom obviously. That is what makes subs so dangerous is that even when you are actively seeking them they can slip through. There are baffles, layers of water, temperatures that effect sonar penetration. Common signals, natural ocean noises, ocean geography. So many things go into ASW that it is not sound to do it 24/7 unless you are training with it or at war.
Outmatched only by your arrogance. Sub detection from an Argus is something with which I am very familiar my know-it-all friend.
Woof!
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You can thank Bill Clinton and his computer technology giveaway to the Chinese government in his last year in office for the strides the military complex of China has made recently. The new information was just what they needed to connect the dots on some very high tech questions they were experiencing problems solving. The deal included a "no military use" clause but you can see how far that part of the agreement got. How do we rectify this grave error now? Time will tell. In my opinion China and India are next emerging economic giants.
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China is one of the most untaped market in the world.
It was their destiny to be rich and powerful and they shall because we make them!
It was their destiny to be rich and powerful and they shall because we make them!
The in and out holes aren't called hatches in the Canadian Royal Imperial Navy, there known as plugs.
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The in and out holes aren't called hatches in the Canadian Royal Imperial Navy, there known as plugs.
Sh-hh-hh! Don't tell the yanks! They like to think they mess best. That's how our guys get all that fresh seafood. Screen door apparatus (SDA) acts as a net.
Also, we leaves da torpedo tubes open to scoops da ocean in. When da plug's out, we looks like a whale. Camouflage, eh?
Woof!
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Well it was your arrogance that ran you into a topic that you know very little about. Your post proves that.
Laughing...ok... so then is the Canadian Navy remembering to close the "plugs" these days? :lol:
N'ya n'ya
back a'cha, mouthbreather. Proves how much you know about pickets. Marine? What desk?Woof!
N'ya n'ya
Woof!
I know a lot about pickets. Once again you have no clue about ASW. The picket screen would have to be actively pinging in all directions. In order for the Kittyhawk to participate in her own ASW defense all of her helos would have to be dipping and her S-3's would have to be airborne constantly ringing even beyond the picket screen. The S-3 would have to constantly drop sonobuoys.
I repeat...ASW is not a passive operation. China is not a threat because we are not at war. Now if you are talking about a future threat I would agree but a Chinese sub can cruise right next to our carrier on the open seas and we could not do a thing about it. If the USN are not actively seeking subs we will not find them.
Sorry Wolf that you never were able to be one of The Finest. :lol:
Magnetic anomality and "bow bulge" (on those calm days) are completely passive and don't require a lot of brainpower. Even a Marine could do it....
Woof!
Woof!
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Oh brother. They need to be deployed. You need to be out there actively using the equipment and deploying it. Don't you get it? When you are engaging in ASW your ship has to be in an ASW footing. During war and in hostile forces you have no choice and you must be in ASW mode.
Why do you think subs are so dangerous? Because they are hard to find and they make great efforts not to be found. That is why ASW requires a lot of brain power. That is why simpletons like you cannot grasp the concept and when you are exposed you resort to name calling and constant trolling.
You can always tell when you have lost a debate because you drop yourself to DB Level. I pity you at times.
My aplogies. You know everything (*snicker*)
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Snack: thanks for so eloquently demonstrating your own point.
To the Mark....
Woof!
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Snack: thanks for so eloquently demonstrating your own point.
To the Mark....
Woof!
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ES,
This event happened during a military exercise. The point of military exercises is to prove battle readiness. An undetected Chinese sub in the middle of an military exercise was a major coup for the Chinese. Another way of looking at this is that the Chinese sub did the US Navy a favor. Its far better that the US navy learned that Chinese subs can sneak up on their aircraft carriers during a peacetime exercise than during the war.
Why is it so hard for Americans to give credit to other nations? Your comments make you look arrogant and wilfully ignorant. So your pride was wounded. Get over it.
I doubt many Canadians wish harm to American servicemen. I know I certainly don't. Americans should realize that Canada is a close friend. No we don't go along with everything the US does. That's our perogative as a sovereign nation. Canada did not join the US in Iraq because our leaders decided that Iraq was not a threat the US, despite pre-war propaganda to the contrary. Turned out our leaders were right and I am proud of that. Canada didn't help the US in Vietnam either for the same reason. Given our track record of picking our wars wisely, maybe Americans should pay closer attention to which wars Canada supports and which ones we don't. That way you might have avoided Vietnam and now Iraq.
BTW, Canada has never lost a war, including ones we fought against the US...
As you may or may not know, Canada is in Afghanistan and we are taking significant casualties:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/afghanistan/casualties/total.html
We are in Afghanistan because of the 9/11 attack on the US, not because of an attack on Canada. Americans should also be aware that Canadian soldiers were among the first allied soldiers in Afghanistan, before the main assault:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JTF2#Afghanistan:_2001-Present
Even though 9/11 was an attack against the US, most Canadians felt and still feel that Canada has an obligation to help the US when it is attacked because you are a friend. Show us a real credible threat to the US and we will be there. But don't expect us to help the US dominate the middle east for profit.
This event happened during a military exercise. The point of military exercises is to prove battle readiness. An undetected Chinese sub in the middle of an military exercise was a major coup for the Chinese. Another way of looking at this is that the Chinese sub did the US Navy a favor. Its far better that the US navy learned that Chinese subs can sneak up on their aircraft carriers during a peacetime exercise than during the war.
Why is it so hard for Americans to give credit to other nations? Your comments make you look arrogant and wilfully ignorant. So your pride was wounded. Get over it.
I doubt many Canadians wish harm to American servicemen. I know I certainly don't. Americans should realize that Canada is a close friend. No we don't go along with everything the US does. That's our perogative as a sovereign nation. Canada did not join the US in Iraq because our leaders decided that Iraq was not a threat the US, despite pre-war propaganda to the contrary. Turned out our leaders were right and I am proud of that. Canada didn't help the US in Vietnam either for the same reason. Given our track record of picking our wars wisely, maybe Americans should pay closer attention to which wars Canada supports and which ones we don't. That way you might have avoided Vietnam and now Iraq.
BTW, Canada has never lost a war, including ones we fought against the US...
As you may or may not know, Canada is in Afghanistan and we are taking significant casualties:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/afghanistan/casualties/total.html
We are in Afghanistan because of the 9/11 attack on the US, not because of an attack on Canada. Americans should also be aware that Canadian soldiers were among the first allied soldiers in Afghanistan, before the main assault:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JTF2#Afghanistan:_2001-Present
Even though 9/11 was an attack against the US, most Canadians felt and still feel that Canada has an obligation to help the US when it is attacked because you are a friend. Show us a real credible threat to the US and we will be there. But don't expect us to help the US dominate the middle east for profit.
If you do some research on the topic you will find that ASW was not deployed. Military excersises do not encompass every facet of war fighting. The USN was not deploying ASW and that was that. The thing is that Canadians LOVE to roll and gloat over this stuff and HATE when they are called out as for what they are.
Some Canadians love to bash the US at every turn because they feel inferior. Why is that? Why is it that they love to do that and then go banannas when Americans snap back?
What do you call significant?
Can you explain what war did Canada beat us in? Where did the US surrender to Canada? Do you have the surrender documents?
Or are you going to be silly and say that Canada won the War of 1812 as only Canada does? Both the Americans and the British laugh at Canada's claim to have won that war. Canada was not even a country then.