China Says NO to New Concessions in Paris

taxslave

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perhaps this handy graphic might give you that perspective - yes?


Lookie lookie waldo's got another meaningless graph.

seriously? Do you not equate increased emissions within increased industrialization? The graphic clearly outlines the increasing emissions, by timeline... you can't make the association? Really?



there's an expectation the recent U.S.- China emissions reduction agreement will set the tone for possible binding level agreement. Both the U.S. and China included facets of that recent agreement as a part of their INDC submissions to COP 21. Your pent-up failure anticipation may be rewarded... but it will have little to do with your seizing on to the statement about 'no new concessions expected'.



there are means for external monitoring of any nations emission levels... more pointedly, as a part of COP agreements, monitoring and verification are paramount principles and requirements. There is no, there will be no ability by any country to subvert emission monitoring and results. Details on monitoring and verification are readily available from UNFCCC and 3rd party outlets... your choice if you're willing to extend beyond your current lack of knowledge in this regard.

ROFLMFAO. Naive is spelt waldo.
 

Jinentonix

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Per person emissions would be even worse for Canada I bet.
Who cares? Even when our oil fields were running full bore we still generated only half the annual GHGs that international shipping does. In 2010 Canada accounted for a whopping 1.7% of global GHG generation while the US and China combined for almost 40% of the total.
 

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Lookie lookie waldo's got another meaningless graph.

taxi... still? You've made no progress with your graph phobia while I've been away? None?

Who cares? Even when our oil fields were running full bore we still generated only half the annual GHGs that international shipping does. In 2010 Canada accounted for a whopping 1.7% of global GHG generation while the US and China combined for almost 40% of the total.

fixating on the symbolic aspect of Canada's domestic emissions production is a well-worn, tired and weak practice for those who choose to ignore emission outsourcing and emissions associated with exported Canadian energy products.
 

darkbeaver

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taxi... still? You've made no progress with your graph phobia while I've been away? None?



fixating on the symbolic aspect of Canada's domestic emissions production is a well-worn, tired and weak practice for those who choose to ignore emission outsourcing and emissions associated with exported Canadian energy products.

I notice you ignore the Pentagon, a world leader in hydro carbon emissions and absent without leave in all debate.

PENTAGON POLLUTION, 7
THE MILITARY ASSAULT ON GLOBAL CLIMATE
by H. Patricia Hynes
“A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death.”
Martin Luther King
By every measure, the Pentagon is the largest institutional user of petroleum products and energy … Yet, the Pentagon has a blanket exemption in all international climate agreements … Any talk of climate change which does not include the military is nothing but hot air, according to Sara Flounders.
It’s a loophole [in the Kyoto Convention on Climate Change] big enough to drive a tank through, according to the report A Climate of War.
In 1940, the US military consumed one percent of the country’s total energy usage; by the end of World War II, the military’s share rose to 29 percent.(1) Oil is indispensable for war.
Correspondingly, militarism is the most oil-exhaustive activity on the planet, growing more so with faster, bigger, more fuel-guzzling planes, tanks and naval vessels employed in more intensive air and ground wars. At the outset of the Iraq war in March 2003, the Army estimated it would need more than 40 million gallons of gasoline for three weeks of combat, exceeding the total quantity used by all Allied forces in the four years of World War 1. Among the Army’s armamentarium were 2,000 staunch M-1 Abrams tanks fired up for the war and burning 250 gallons of fuel per hour.(2)
The US Air Force (USAF) is the single largest consumer of jet fuel in the world. Fathom, if you can, the astronomical fuel usage of USAF fighter planes: the F-4 Phantom Fighter burns more than 1,600 gallons of jet fuel per hour and peaks at 14,400 gallons per hour at supersonic speeds. The B-52 Stratocruiser, with eight jet engines, guzzles 500 gallons per minute; ten minutes of flight uses as much fuel as the average driver does in one year of driving! A quarter of the world’s jet fuel feeds the USAF fleet of flying killing machines; in 2006, they consumed as much fuel as US planes did during the Second World War (1941-1945) — an astounding 2.6 billion gallons.(3)Pentagon Pollution, 7: The military assault on global climate
 

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I notice you ignore the Pentagon, a world leader in hydro carbon emissions and absent without leave in all debate.

au contraire Mr. Dark... I have had much to say about the Pentagon's formal statements on the threats related to climate change - in the past I've quoted directly from assorted past Pentagon Quadrennial Defense Review reports to that end. As an alternate change-up, here's a Pentagon Report requested by the U.S. Congress:

NATIONAL SECURITY IMPLICATIONS OF CLIMATE-RELATED RISKS AND A CHANGING CLIMATE
 

darkbeaver

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Thankyou for the link. I think I have some time following my afternoon massage.

It's not a fact, it's B.S, but you are welcome to take the word of the Country who executes prisoners and harvests their organs.
I mean, why would they lie?
Nice avatar, by the way. Is that from your Jack Bank? :)

Are you suggesting the Israel is not committed to climate change remediation?
 

Jinentonix

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fixating on the symbolic aspect of Canada's domestic emissions production is a well-worn, tired and weak practice for those who choose to ignore emission outsourcing and emissions associated with exported Canadian energy products.
FFS dumba$$, do you think Canada is the only one on the list that exports energy products? Obviously the numbers are skewed for every friggin' fossil fuel exploiting country then. Or did you not think of that before rushing to try and score some imaginary internet points?
 

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So what is the estimate as to how much humanity has contributed since say 2 or 300 years ago? I bet it is about the same as a sneeze in a hurricane.
Freakin arrogant humans have always thought we were a big deal in the universe. We are not.
 

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All we need to do is make electronic bank transfers and then we can control the climate.
 

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In the Free Trade epoch.. of which the TPP will deeply aggravate.. any self imposed and expensive restraints on industry will be catastrophic for the economy.. which is already in crisis.

The best course of action is to realize that AGW in a complete and utter fraud.. and let countries deal with pollution based on their local economic and social conditions.

It's the solution to a nonexistent problem that will 'mortgage our children's future'.