Chavez... tick tick tick

DaSleeper

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You keep repeating yourself with disclaimers that you're against this, that, and the other thing....but you always keep 'backing' governments that treat their own people badly.....but keep on telling us what you're "for" or "against"....it's good for a laugh anyway :lol:
 

earth_as_one

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He took from the rich and kept it for himself. Made himself a billionaire.

I have not seen any evidence that supports your statement. If you have a good link which describes exactly how Chavez acquired his wealth, please feel free to share,

You keep repeating yourself with disclaimers that you're against this, that, and the other thing....but you always keep 'backing' governments that treat their own people badly.....but keep on telling us what you're "for" or "against"....it's good for a laugh anyway :lol:

First prove that Chavez's government treated Venezuelans poorly? Did he spit in the free meals and subsidized food? Did the free and subsidized housing lack flushing toilets? Was the land he granted the poor not suitable for farming?

If Chavez was so unpopular, why did he keeping winning majorities in free and fair elections?

You'll have to back up your opinion with references to trustworthy sources.
 

DaSleeper

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Take off the damn blinders when you read articles and you might see and learn something.....

 

earth_as_one

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I have searched the web to find out how Chavez acquired his wealth and have not found any evidence of theft. I see signs of nepotism and cronyism but not theft.

I've never claimed I supported everything Chavez did. IN fact I oppose some of the ways he nationalized private property and corporations. I also oppose nepotism and cronyism. But 99% of Venezuelans are better off as a result of Chavez. Only the wealthy 1% didn't see any benefits and a few of those 1% are a little less wealthy than they were.
 

Goober

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I have searched the web to find out how Chavez acquired his wealth and have not found any evidence of theft. I see signs of nepotism and cronyism but not theft.

I've never claimed I supported everything Chavez did. IN fact I oppose some of the ways he nationalized private property and corporations. I also oppose nepotism and cronyism. But 99% of Venezuelans are better off as a result of Chavez. Only the wealthy 1% didn't see any benefits and a few of those 1% are a little less wealthy than they were.
Reason you do not know is you are afraid of facts. Takes away that hero image you have of Hugo.
When you check the web you need key words for a search. Just a tip from Ol Goober

Hugo Chavez Net Worth | Celebrity Net Worth

Was Hugo Chavez worth over $1bn when he died? Claims he amassed huge fortune from country's oil wealth | Mail Online
 

EagleSmack

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Reason you do not know is you are afraid of facts. Takes away that hero image you have of Hugo.
When you check the web you need key words for a search. Just a tip from Ol Goober

It is a tough time for EAO and his Chavez fan club Goober. They will not find anyone to replace him and they know it. Chavez was a cult of personality. Even the Venezuelans know it.
 

Goober

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It is a tough time for EAO and his Chavez fan club Goober. They will not find anyone to replace him and they know it. Chavez was a cult of personality. Even the Venezuelans know it.

I have noted EAO's predilection towards Authoritarian States and Strong Men. Weird but........................
 

Goober

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Amazing isn't it? He adores them.

I will have to chat with my Doctor friend. He was a consulting expert on that movie The Men Who Stare at Goats.
Amazing and interesting man.

This one should be rather easy but hoo nose.
 

petros

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16 cents for a litre of gas in Caracas. It must be damn cheap to farm or do business down there.

A guy can get a lot of work done for 16 cents.

Remember when gas was cheap here and how the economy was strong and food was cheaper to deliver and produce?
 
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Spade

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Chavez may have died, but we can only hope that at least those reforms that improved the lot of the poor will endure.

"The truth is that Chavez won democratic election after democratic election, despite the often vicious hostility of the media, because his policies transformed the lives of millions of previously ignored Venezuelans. Poverty has fallen from nearly half to 27.8 per cent, while absolute poverty has been more than halved. Six million children receive free meals a day; near-universal free health care has been established; and education spending has doubled as a proportion of GDP. A housing programme launched in 2011 built over 350,000 homes, bringing hundreds of thousands of families out of sub-standard housing in thebarrios. Some of his smug foreign critics suggest Chavez effectively bought the votes of the poor – as though winning elections by delivering social justice is somehow bribery."
-Owen Jones in the Independent

Bump
 

Goober

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No one knows how they will act when that moment arrives. While I detest the man he did help the poor.
He also ruined the economy, destroyed the rule of law and could have set Venezuela on a path to being a wealthy State.
Instead he drove out the experienced oil workers, many found jobs and settled in Canada.
They are sitting on an oil sands of immense size. Oil production is down 1 million bbd.
Oil reserves are being discovered off the coast of Brazil. They are deep drilling off of Cuba. So who knows how much lies on their coast.
The largest gold mine sits undeveloped.
All because of some wacko political socialist agenda.
 

CDNBear

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Chavez was more like Robinhood than Hitler.


While I agree with the direction toward social justice, I disagree with theft and sudden radical changes.
No you don't. You already praised it.

First prove that Chavez's government treated Venezuelans poorly?
Since you ignored it the first time, just a day ago...


Venezuelan government deliberately targeting opponents | Amnesty International

Did he spit in the free meals and subsidized food? Did the free and subsidized housing lack flushing toilets? Was the land he granted the poor not suitable for farming?
No, but the luxury resorts he confiscated and gave to the poor, were in areas where there was zero economic benefit, other than the resorts he killed.

You do the math, lol.

If Chavez was so unpopular, why did he keeping winning majorities in free and fair elections?
Morons who believe the propaganda don't just post on CC.

You'll have to back up your opinion with references to trustworthy sources.
I did that and you ignored it.

I've never claimed I supported everything Chavez did.
Liar...

AI's report doesn't blame Chavez for anything. they just identify the Venezuela's problems. Mostly the same ones identified by Hugo Chavez.

Overall, the report indicates that Venezuela had room for improvement, but Chavez was moving Venezuela in the right direction, enshrining protections of human rights, freedom and justice into their constitution. Given more time, Chavez would have continued to improve the lives of Venezuelans.

Venezuelan government deliberately targeting opponents | Amnesty International

And of course you ignored that the first time, why? Because you support everything he did. That's why you defend him and ignore the facts, lol.
 

earth_as_one

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definitions for CB who apparently doesn't understand the subtleties of the English language:

most/mōst/
Adjective
Greatest in amount or degree: "they've had the most success"; "they had the most to lose".

all/ôl/
Predeterminer
Used to refer to the whole quantity or extent of a particular group or thing: "all the people I met"; "10% of all cars sold".