Chavez ... Human Rights Violator ... and Liar

[Said1]

What part do you not get think?? Its not your country, and your government has already used their dirty tricks to try and get rid of chavez, it didn't work, nor will your smearing work either. No one takes your government seriously anymore, as in anything that has to do with morality. :roll: :roll:

If anyone in Latin America took him seriously, they would have joined forces with him during the trade summit. Well excpet for Cuba, like I said, extremists.

Ok, this is where I must interject. Did you see Bush trying to leave that press conference this morning.

 

[GL Schmitt]

That's exactly why nobody will take him seriously except for the extremists that is.

You mean because he promises help and then actually delivers on his promises?

Yeah! Anybody who has studied politics in the United States knows that isn't the proper way to ruin a country! :roll:

 

[Ocean Breeze]

What part do you not get think?? Its not your country, and your government has already used their dirty tricks to try and get rid of chavez, it didn't work, nor will your smearing work either. No one takes your government seriously anymore, as in anything that has to do with morality. :roll: :roll:

If anyone in Latin America took him seriously, they would have joined forces with him during the trade summit. Well excpet for Cuba, like I said, extremists.

Ok, this is where I must interject. Did you see Bush trying to leave that press conference this morning.

yep.........and did anyone see him trying to hurry out of some formal room in China and he hit a locked door???? OMG......the bloke is losing it.

........one can't really blame Chevez for taking a few shots at the bush regime. And doing it publically is a good thing...as he says what many are still too "afraid" ???? to??

 

[peapod]

Back to the topic, What gives you the right to decide for the people of venezuela who should govern them. What gives you the right to undermine a government that was elected by democracy?

How dare you try and seat on some higher moral ground, when your government has the kind of tatics that have been exposed. Would you allow another country to do this to you. I think not. No pun intended.

 

[I think not]

I repeat...your government has lost all credibility, and most of all any respect. Its not your country, and just has YOU were allowed to make YOUR mistakes as a country, so do other countries. Your governments morals and character has been revealed, by their own greed. Your not in a postion to preach or tell any other country how they should govern themselves. Your government has used every dirty trick possible to destroy a government that was elected by democratic vote, which only seems to mean ANYTHING when your talking about your own country. You support countries that are just the opposite of democracy, the so called "message" you want to take to other countries. Go undermine Saudi Arabia...oh I forgot they have oil you need for now.

Don't even start with the usual blah blah told you so pointing the finger rhetoric, look in your own backyard, clean it up, and then talk about others in a condescending tone. Other Latin American countries don't agree with his jib jab either. Or is Chavez the new hero after Castro?

Yep that must be it.

As far as undermining goes, stop the Palestinian slaughter by rescinding your free trade agrrements with Israel. oh I forgot, it helps the Canadian economy. :roll:

 

[Canucklehead]

What part do you not get think?? Its not your country, and your government has already used their dirty tricks to try and get rid of chavez, it didn't work, nor will your smearing work either. No one takes your government seriously anymore, as in anything that has to do with morality. :roll: :roll:

If anyone in Latin America took him seriously, they would have joined forces with him during the trade summit. Well excpet for Cuba, like I said, extremists.

Ok, this is where I must interject. Did you see Bush trying to leave that press conference this morning.

:lol: :lol: pretzels, bicycles, segways, doors... this man has a poor track record... could a paper bag be next? Hmmmmm

 

[peapod]

Are you going to answer me or are you gonna dance. What gives you the right to try and undermine the government of another country that was elected by democracy. Answer the question!

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Back to the topic, What gives you the right to decide for the people of venezuela who should govern them. What gives you the right to undermine a government that was elected by democracy?

How dare you try and seat on some higher moral ground, when your government has the kind of tatics that have been exposed. Would you allow another country to do this to you. I think not. No pun intended.

good points , as usual. One is yet to get a straight answer to questions like that. Think of how bush castigates other leaders as he tries to spread his "freedom" message in inappropriate situations.

(smug is as smug does..;-)

 

[I think not]

That's exactly why nobody will take him seriously except for the extremists that is.

You mean because he promises help and then actually delivers on his promises?

Yeah! Anybody who has studied politics in the United States knows that isn't the proper way to ruin a country! :roll:

Don't take the moral high ground GL. Supporting Bush or supporting Chavez, Castro etc... is the same song with a different tune. Quit playing it, nobody is paying attention to extremism anymore.

 

[Jay]

Are you going to answer me or are you gonna dance. What gives you the right to try and undermine the government of another country that was elected by democracy. Answer the question!

When it threatens American interests and spheres of influence and stability.....?

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Are you going to answer me or are you gonna dance. What gives you the right to try and undermine the government of another country that was elected by democracy. Answer the question!

When it threatens American interests and spheres of influence and stability.....?

imagined or fabricated?? seems america is so easily "threatened" these days. gotta wonder why.... :roll:

Must be embarrassing for this so called "supra power" to be addressed this way by another nation who has the guts to be vocal.... and tell it as it is. Extremist??? Not as extremist as the bush cabal.

 

[I think not]

Back to the topic, What gives you the right to decide for the people of venezuela who should govern them. What gives you the right to undermine a government that was elected by democracy?

No right. What gives you the right to support Chavez that violates human rights? Or is it ok because he stood up to Bush? It's the same dance different song.

How dare you try and seat on some higher moral ground, when your government has the kind of tatics that have been exposed. Would you allow another country to do this to you. I think not. No pun intended.

Last time I checked I don't speak for my government, I speak for myself. And what makes you think your government is somehow benevolent and gives you the right to express yourself?

 

[peapod]

Interesting that you have to answer that for think Jay, so you say its alright than to undermine a government that has been elected by democratic vote...because "When it threatens American interests and spheres of influence and stability"

Now, I want to you list, and show your proof that chevez has done this. I will work on my list of the american "dirty" tricks in latin america. Run along now and have your huddle and come up with that list.

 

[Canucklehead]

RE: Chavez ... Human Righ

Chavez is still selling his oil to the U.S., he still owns an oil company in the U.S., he still conducts trade with the U.S. What's the problem here? Chevron et al having their drilling tax or whatever it's called raised ~30% is NOT, i repeat NOT the concern of the U.S. government or a concern to the governing of the country. Nor is it a national security threat. At worst it's a reduction of PROFIT for U.S. based oil companies. The U.S. unilaterally withdrew from international treaties to pursue it's agenda(Star Wars II)... Venezuela unilaterally 'renoegotiated' the terms for extracting it's resources. What's good for the goose...

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: Chavez ... Human Righ

Chavez is still selling his oil to the U.S., he still owns an oil company in the U.S., he still conducts trade with the U.S. What's the problem here? Chevron et al having their drilling tax or whatever it's called raised ~30% is NOT, i repeat NOT the concern of the U.S. government or a concern to the governing of the country. Nor is it a national security threat. At worst it's a reduction of PROFIT for U.S. based oil companies. The U.S. unilaterally withdrew from international treaties to pursue it's agenda(Star Wars II)... Venezuela unilaterally 'renoegotiated' the terms for extracting it's resources. What's good for the goose...

the "problem" seems that the pot is calling the kettle black........again.

 

[I think not]

Extremist??? Not as extremist as the bush cabal.

So on which scale of extremism is it acceptable to support someone? Say on a 1 to 10 scale, Bush is an 11? What's Chavez? 5, 6? At which point on the scale do morals become worthless?

 

[jimmoyer]

I like that observation, ITN.

Perhaps the rush to embrace Chavez is just a hyper-reaction to Bush and that's understandable.

But I suspect this hero of South America will go the way of the Peru Prime Minister who hailed from Japan and is now in exile back in Japan. Read about him?

Not as demagogic, not so much a leader of the mob, but he showed great promise and did some good, but the power arrangements of the country or of Venezuela are too weak to allow for real checks and balances .

We'll see.

Give it time.

 

[peapod]

nah, the rush is really about dis: When your government tries to undermine and smear a government that was elected by democracy, well we just see what a fecking bunch of hypocrites you are, and of course there is dat record of your governments nasty dirty tricks in south america. Oh brother :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: we we go again about dat lil island, and dat big old US of A fraidy cats of castro.

 

[jimmoyer]

You guys can just gush over Castro all you want.

The irony of the liberal left wanting that island open to the Big Bad Boy of American Capitalism is HUGE !!!

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: Chavez ... Human Rights Violator ... and Liar

I like that observation, ITN.

Perhaps the rush to embrace Chavez is just a hyper-reaction to Bush and that's understandable.

But I suspect this hero of South America will go the way of the Peru Prime Minister who hailed from Japan and is now in exile back in Japan. Read about him?

Not as demagogic, not so much a leader of the mob, but he showed great promise and did some good, but the power arrangements of the country or of Venezuela are too weak to allow for real checks and balances .

We'll see.

Give it time.

No rush.....and no gush. Just the recognition for people who have TRUE GRIT. G.Galloway , Murtha fall into the same category.