Chavez ... Human Rights Violator ... and Liar

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and just because a priest says something it's automatically true? If some priest said the sky was really orange you'd probably believe that too Nascar.

News flash Nascar, priests (and cardinals) are people too, they can be wrong. And in this particular case he is wrong. If he's not just deliberately smearing Chavez for political reasons which wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Well, if I had to pick between the words of a high ranking Vatican official or an individual denounced by Amnesty International and the Inter-American Human Rights Commission, I'll pick the high ranking Vatican official. No contest.
 

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The Catholic Church has a long history of harming the Venezuelan people. Just for the record, before the last pope fired them all, the US was complicit in the murder of activist priests in South America. CIA-backed goons in black Fords showed up and murdered priests and nuns.
 

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Reverend Blair said:
The Catholic Church has a long history of harming the Venezuelan people. Just for the record, before the last pope fired them all, the US was complicit in the murder of activist priests in South America. CIA-backed goons in black Fords showed up and murdered priests and nuns.

link?
 

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Said1 said:
Canucklehead said:
Nascar_James said:
Chavez's dictatorship must really be apparent in Venezuela. For the highest church official in Venezuela to publically denounce Chavez as a dictator is an indication that it's time for Chavez to go.

Would this be the same tolerant church that refused to allow the indigenous people to practice their own religion? Mmmkay...whatever

I thought those were the guys who got expelled?

As far as I know Christianity was not the traditional religion of South America... ask the Aztecs, Incas and Mayans.
 

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Canucklehead said:
Said1 said:
Canucklehead said:
Nascar_James said:
Chavez's dictatorship must really be apparent in Venezuela. For the highest church official in Venezuela to publically denounce Chavez as a dictator is an indication that it's time for Chavez to go.

Would this be the same tolerant church that refused to allow the indigenous people to practice their own religion? Mmmkay...whatever

I thought those were the guys who got expelled?

As far as I know Christianity was not the traditional religion of South America... ask the Aztecs, Incas and Mayans.

I'm refering to missionaries, who I think were expelled from Venezuela several weeks ago. Mmmmkay?
 

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It figures you would take a report from World Wide Religious News, Jimbo. :roll:

How about a secular report which tells both sides of the story?


Cardinal Rosalio Castillo Lara decries “tremendous pantomimes of injustice”
Nov 18, 2005

The (Caracas) Daily Journal: Cardinal Rosalio Castillo Lara on Monday called on Venezuelans to speak out in the media against what he called “the tremendous pantomimes of injustice” mounted by the leftist government, which secured arrest warrants against four suspected masterminds of last year’s killing of a prosecutor.

(The Caracas Daily Journal, November 08, 2005) “It’s a moment and a situation in which all those who believe in justice should protest; not with marches, but by means of the television and radio,” said Venezuela’s highest-ranking Catholic Church leader and staunch critic of President Hugo Chavez.

The Cardinal told Caracas’ Union Radio that he was “dismayed, upset and hurt to see the carrying out of these tremendous pantomimes of injustice ... (that serve to) further deepen the hatred” between supporters and opponents of Chavez.

He was referring to arrest warrants handed down Friday against retired National Guard Gen. Eugenio Anez, banker Nelson Mezerhane, journalist Patricia Poleo and Salvador Romani, the son of a Cuban anti-Castro leader. The latter two have already been taken into custody.

The attorney general’s office has accused all four as masterminds of the murder of prosecutor Danilo Anderson, who died November 18, 2004, in a car-bomb attack in Caracas.

Earlier this year, former police officer Juan Guevara and his cousins, ex-DISIP secret police officers Rolando and Otoniel Guevara, were arrested as perpetrators of the attack, while two others suspected of carrying out the bombing -- Johan Pena and Pedro Lander -- are fugitives, reportedly in Miami.

It appears that His Eminence, Cardinal Lara, believes that any leader who permits wealthy and politically important parishioners to be prosecuted for their crimes require "an exorcism."

I shall withhold comment, as I am no authority on Roman Catholic church doctrine.


Oops! Sorry, Link: http://www.cardinalrating.com/cardinal_140__article_2412.htm
 

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It figures you would take a report from World Wide Religious News, Jimbo. :roll:

How about a secular report which tells both sides of the story?
Answer - apparently the Catholic Church is opposed to terrorists facing justice if their attacks are on a popularist regine.
 

Canucklehead

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:lol:

OK, I was referring to NJ placing moral authority on the words of the Christian church as it pertains to a culture they 'converted' so long ago.
 

Said1

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:lol:

OK, I was referring to NJ placing moral authority on the words of the Christian church as it pertains to a culture they 'converted' so long ago.

Do they have any real authority amoung the general population, other than influence that is? If so, I'm sure they're sweating bullets about now. :lol:
 

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Make all the predictions you want, James. You've been consistently wrong about Latin America for as long as you've been here.

The Mexican people like Chavez. They like the Bolivarian Revolution. Any party that does not move towards the wants of that electorate will not win.

Not so Rev. There is a heavy US influence in Mexico. Many Mexicans are also Americans and have relatives in Mexico. A great deal of the Mexicans residing in the US live in the southern states (New Mexico, Arizona, Texas), states that have voted Republican the last two presidential elections. Therefore they are exposed to a social conservative environment. Given the fact that many of the voters in southern states like Texas are Mexicans, and the Republican vote is high, it is a given that Mexicans residing in the southern states vote en masse for the Republican party. These voters will undoubtedly transfer their vote to the PAN party in the 2006 Mexican election.

The exception to this rule would be California, given that it is a liberal state with a large percentage of eligible Mexican voters. Even though, they would be foolish to vote for either of the radical left parties in Mexico.
 

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I don't know if this article has already been posted but I will post link anyways.

Hugo Chavez: Charming provocateu

Some hilites:

-To the poor of Venezuela, who make up the vast majority of the population, President Chavez is a hero.

-He first won election in 1998 and has since spent countless millions of dollars on developing social welfare programmes to bring clinics and schools to where before there were none.

-But to his political opponents, and to the Bush administration in Washington, he is a dangerous demagogue, who allies himself with such American hate-regimes as those of Cuba and Iran.

-Of course, he says, he would love to be on better terms with the US - and he pays glowing tribute to the people of that country - but with George Bush in the White House, there's no chance of that

Sound like a good leader to me. Nobody is perfect but he is doing so much positive. I think America fears him for that reason. Click on link at top as a very good read.

Here is another older article and another good read:

Chavez's 'citizen militias' on the march

Rafael Cabrices does not know whether the attack will come by sea, by land, or even from within Venezuela.

But he is sure that US President George W Bush is plotting to oust leftist President Hugo Chavez - and Mr Cabrices is preparing his people to fight.
 

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Hugo Chavez seems to take great pleasure in tweaking George Bush’s nose. He’s repeatedly called Bush a "terrorist" and disparaged the US as a "terrorist state". Just last week, Chavez fired off another broadside saying, "The planet’s most serious danger is the government of the United States…The people of the United States are being governed by a killer, a genocidal murderer, and a madman."

He got that right.

For liberals and leftists Chavez’s fiery salvos have been a welcome respite from the weak-kneed groveling of congressional Democrats and the congratulatory purring of media brown-nosers. So far, the Venezuelan president has been the only leader on the world stage to state the obvious, that Bush and his maniacal group of liars, carpet-baggers, and war criminals are savaging the planet and putting millions at risk.

That doesn’t mean that Chavez hates the American people; far from it. Following the vast devastation of Hurricane Katrina Chavez responded more quickly than FEMA, offering to send cheap fuel, humanitarian aid and relief workers to the disaster area. He offered to provide $1 million of free petroleum via the state run Petroleos de Venezuela and its subsidiary CITGO for the relief effort.

According to civil rights leader, Jesse Jackson, Chavez also offered two mobile hospital units, 120 rescue and first aid experts, and 50 tons of food; considerably more than "Brownie" was able to produce.

"We have drinking water, food, and we can provide fuel," Chavez told reporters

None of this was, of course, was reported in the American media which consistently lambastes Chavez as a "radical leftist".

Huh?

The self-proclaimed socialist, Chavez, is seen as a serious threat to expanding capital markets in the southern hemisphere and, therefore, ripe for regime change. This explains the hostile language the media uses in describing the ebullient and charismatic Chavez.

Chavez succeeded in using Katrina to blast away at the callousness and cynicism of the Bush administration saying, "Before the hurricane, they knew Katrina was coming and refused to evacuate people. In Cuba, when they know a hurricane is coming, chickens, hens, and people are all evacuated. A hurricane recently destroyed many towns in Cuba but not a single person died because no one was there. The government prepared its people and took them to shelters, whereas here they left the poor, without protection, especially the blacks. That’s horrible!"

"The government had no evacuation plan. The world’s only superpower is so involved in Iraq ...but left its own people adrift," Chavez said on live TV. "And, that cowboy, the king of vacations, stayed at his ranch and said nothing but, 'You have to flee’. It’s incredible."

"The king of vacations"?

Ouch!

Chavez also got his digs in at the recent economic summit at Mar Del Plata, Argentina where he was the center of attention. A throng of 35,000 celebrated his arrival and filled the local soccer stadium with protestors chanting, "Bush is the terrorist. Bush is the fascist".

Chavez gave a 2 hour speech railing against Bush, his "immoral war" and his ruinous "neoliberal economic policies"

"The US has bombed entire cities, used chemical weapons and napalm, killed women and children and thousands of soldiers. That’s terrorism," said Chavez. "The US government is a threat to humanity."

The summit at Mar del Plata was billed as a "showdown" between Bush and Chavez and many of those attending anxiously awaited the face-off. Chavez even joked to reporters that "he would sneak up on Bush and scare him".

No need. The normally boastful Bush was uncommonly subdued during the activities and slinked away to the safety of Air Force 1 as soon as he spotted an opening. The Crawford peacock had no intention of going nose to nose with his Venezuelan nemesis.

Bush prefers to limit his displays of bravado to televised appearances on the flight-deck of American aircraft carriers, cinched up in a warrior-jumpsuit and cod-piece, surrounded by a phalanx of security guards.

Yee-hah!

Chavez summarized Bush’s stealthy departure saying, "The real failure here was Mr. Bush. He left defeated, and he will keep being defeated. This century will be for the people of Latin America."

Last week, Chavez took another swing at the Bush team by ordering the delivery of "12 million gallons of discounted home-heating oil to local charities and 45,000 low-income families in Massachusetts next month." (Boston Globe)

The deal will provide nine million gallons of oil to institutions that serve the poor, such as homeless shelters. Families will be able to buy heating fuel at discount rates, keeping them from freezing to death in the bitter New England winter.

The plan is yet another blow to the administration and the rickety system of predatory capitalism.

Massachusetts congressman William Delahunt explained that there was a "desperate need" for affordable home heating oil that would not be met by state or federal governments’.

No wonder. There’s been a 13% rise in the number of American’s living below the poverty line since Bush took office, and the fissures in the "free market" edifice are beginning to appear everywhere.

Bush has reinforced the feudal system of upward redistribution, creating even greater structural injustices that are hurting those who are least able to protect themselves. Chavez’s generosity shines a light on a voracious system that is increasingly turning inwards and wreaking havoc on the poor. Washington continues to siphon off the nation’s wealth to a small cadre of venal elites while others are struggling just to keep warm.

Chavez’s gift will be distributed by officials from Citizens Energy of Boston and CITGO, a Houston-based subsidiary of Petroleos de Venezuela. It should help to minimize the suffering of the working people who face a 50% increase in the price of oil.

The political implications of Chavez’s move are enormous. It’s a slap in the face to George Bush, who tried to remove Chavez 4 years ago in a failed-coup attempt. It also demonstrates that Bush’s "survival of the fittest" neoliberal policies have fallen on hard times. Chavez has assumed the mantle of Franklin D. Roosevelt redistributing Venezuela’s prodigious oil wealth to the people who need it the most, while the blinkered Bush has become a modern-day Herbert Hoover paving the way for economic Armageddon by shifting $1.3 trillion of wealth from the middle class to his friends at the top of the fiscal food-chain.

Just this week, Bush slashed another $700 million from the food stamp program leaving 235,000 needy Americans without enough to eat. These same people face the prospect of a frigid Bush-winter unless they can get help from Chavez.

Who could have imagined just 5 years ago that American citizens would be getting charitable assistance from Venezuela?

Viva Chavez.

from Uruknet. Info. ( linking will not get one to the right page.... :cry: --have tried many times...)
 

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What part do you not get think?? Its not your country, and your government has already used their dirty tricks to try and get rid of chavez, it didn't work, nor will your smearing work either. No one takes your government seriously anymore, as in anything that has to do with morality. :roll: :roll:
 

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peapod said:
What part do you not get think?? Its not your country, and your government has already used their dirty tricks to try and get rid of chavez, it didn't work, nor will your smearing work either. No one takes your government seriously anymore, as in anything that has to do with morality. :roll: :roll:

If anyone in Latin America took him seriously, they would have joined forces with him during the trade summit. Well excpet for Cuba, like I said, extremists.
 

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I repeat...your government has lost all credibility, and most of all any respect. Its not your country, and just has YOU were allowed to make YOUR mistakes as a country, so do other countries. Your governments morals and character has been revealed, by their own greed. Your not in a postion to preach or tell any other country how they should govern themselves. Your government has used every dirty trick possible to destroy a government that was elected by democratic vote, which only seems to mean ANYTHING when your talking about your own country. You support countries that are just the opposite of democracy, the so called "message" you want to take to other countries. Go undermine Saudi Arabia...oh I forgot they have oil you need for now.