Chavez called the United States a "terrorist state&quot

[PoisonPete2]

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None of you stop to think about what the Iraqi people want. Correct me if I am wrong, but diden't the majority of people in Iraq support the constitution?

Answer - ok! I will correct you. You are wrong. The people of Iraq have not voted in support of the constitition, because no constitution has been presented to them.

The last moves made by Hussein against the Kurds was a result of American agents inciting revolt in the northern provinces and promising the Kurds that they would help. Seems the Americans didn't help.

Terrorists in Gaza? Terror from Israel and a response from an occupied nation against the occupiers. If Israel wants peace they should get out of Palestine.

get a sence of history. It would likely give you a new perspective of the world. Hear what people like Chevaz are actually saying, and consider their message. Iraq would have been far better off without the invasion by the U.S. The Americans were in a position to broker a settlement prior to the first Gulf War but opted for military intervention. Bunch of warmongering nazis.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

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I do believe that anti American attitudes are getting in the way of many peoples judgement.

Hmmm...already playing the anti-American card...I can tell even now, that we are to be held in awe of your superiour debating skills, but please, take it easy on lil' peapod, she's having a bad week...:roll:

As for myself, I prefer to be called anti-Albertican... :?

 

[Ocean Breeze]

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do believe that anti American attitudes are getting in the way of many peoples judgement.

hmm. Well, you are entitled to "believe" whatever you want. It might be an idea to examine the root cause of "anti American" attitudes ........and how they have swelled. Being "pro -American " is not great shakes ......particularly on the international playing field. Heck , the majority of the world's population is "anti amerikan " to one degree or another. Never in history has there been this much anger at the US. Regime and the population that voted it back in. Until the bush regime is gone......there will be no peace . And Chavez is not the only one to call the US a "terrorist state". It has terrorized Iraq both , by threats and then invading it. It has terrorized Afganistan.... and created two unstable areas in the region. It continues to TERRORIZE Iran....... verbal threats.....etc etc......( every kind of ugliness , manipulation , lies , they can come up with)

by two wars now.....it has fostered so much anger......that in turn will foster continued terrorism. One does not have to be a "liberal" or any "brand" or label........to see that the US IS a "terrorist state"......but under different vernacular. The US LOVES aggression/ and war.......and that alone fits into being a "terrorist state". the US loves to lord it over other nations, make vague and explicit THREATS....... and that qualifies them as "terrorist" nation.

That is a no brainer... :roll:

 

[Ocean Breeze]

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None of you stop to think about what the Iraqi people want. Correct me if I am wrong, but diden't the majority of people in Iraq support the constitution?

Answer - ok! I will correct you. You are wrong. The people of Iraq have not voted in support of the constitition, because no constitution has been presented to them.

The last moves made by Hussein against the Kurds was a result of American agents inciting revolt in the northern provinces and promising the Kurds that they would help. Seems the Americans didn't help.

Terrorists in Gaza? Terror from Israel and a response from an occupied nation against the occupiers. If Israel wants peace they should get out of Palestine.

get a sence of history. It would likely give you a new perspective of the world. Hear what people like Chevaz are actually saying, and consider their message. Iraq would have been far better off without the invasion by the U.S. The Americans were in a position to broker a settlement prior to the first Gulf War but opted for military intervention. Bunch of warmongering nazis.

BRAVO Pete!!!

 

[Ocean Breeze]

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September 17, 2005

"Practically no one in the United States knows that we've donated millions of dollars to the governorship of Louisiana, to the New Orleans Red Cross. We're now giving care to more than 5,000 victims, and now we're going to supply gasoline, freely in some cases, and with discounts in other cases, to the poorest of communities, starting with New Orleans and its surroundings... We've been helping. And we've been even rescuing people."
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez; "Nightline" with Ted Koppel, 9-16-05

Hugo Chavez's performance at the UN was greeted with the bucket-loads of bile that one expects from America's rightward-titling media. Washington Post hatchet-man Colum Lynch provided a typical summary of the speech by dismissing it as "a rant" from the Venezuelan "bad-boy". But, Lynch isn't alone in his hostility; the outpouring of venom came from all corners; appearing in many newspapers across the nation, invoking the hackneyed expressions of contempt for any foreign leader who rebuffs Washington or who follows redistributive economic policies.

In fact, the speech was a brilliant and impassioned analysis of the current state of the world and of the United Nations. Chavez noted that the original intention of the gathering had been "completely distorted" by the so-called reform process introduced by John Bolton. The reforms are entirely designed to transform the UN into a cats-paw for American power creating greater flexibility for Washington's preemptive wars and for dismantling the foundations of international law. They signal the demise of the UN as a legitimate forum for world development and an invitation for Bush and co. to act with even greater impunity.

The Bush administration's maneuvering has successfully sabotaged the efforts made by the international community for real improvement. The goals of the Millennium Summit, to reduce hunger, poverty and ignorance, will not be achieved and the mission of the UN has been effectively torpedoed by Bolton's machinations. Chavez speech draws this same obvious conclusion:

"Friends of the world, The United Nations has exhausted its model, and it is not all about reform. The XXI century claims deep changes that will only be possible if a new organization is founded. This UN does not work. We have to say it. It is the truth."

Chavez's remarks are not intended to disgrace the UN, but to offer a different vision for the future. He recognizes the pressing requirements of the new century and realizes that many of these problems "do not have a national solution: radioactive clouds, world oil prices, diseases, warming of the planet or the hole in the ozone layer. These are not domestic problems."

Chavez proposes his own set of reforms for the UN, including expansion of the Security Council, greater transparency, increasing the powers of the Secretary General, and "suppressing" the power of one nation to veto resolutions made by the council. But, he does not believe that reforms are enough by themselves and insists that the UN be transformed completely, beginning with a change of venue from New York to an "international city with its own sovereignty". Chavez's logic is inescapable; if the United States continues to flaunt UN resolutions and violate international law, as it has with the Iraq war, it should not be host to the world body. Chavez's suggestion was not made to humiliate the United States, but to demonstrate the urgency of the calamity the world faces if action is not taken swiftly on matters of mutual concern. Chavez takes a keen interest in these issues even though Washington chooses to ignore them.

"Ladies and gentlemen, we are facing an unprecedented energy crisis in which an unstoppable increase of energy is perilously reaching record highs, as well as the incapacity of increase oil supply and the perspective of a decline in the proven reserves of fuel worldwide. Oil is starting to become exhausted.
For the year 2020 the daily demand for oil will be 120 million barrels. Such demand, even without counting future increments- would consume in 20 years what humanity has used up to now. This means that more carbon dioxide will inevitably be increased, thus warming our planet even more."

Chavez cogently draws a straight line between global warming to the devastation of Hurricane Katrina; the first major city lost because from rising ocean temperatures. He deftly connects the tragedy to the neoliberal economic model which continues to thrust the world in a catastrophic direction.

"It is unpractical and unethical to sacrifice the human race by appealing in an insane manner the validity of a socioeconomic model that has a galloping destructive capacity. It would be suicidal to spread it and impose it as an infallible remedy for the evils which are caused precisely by them."

Chavez also defended his record as a reformer and a man willing to take risks for the sake of his own people. In one particularly stinging remark, he noted the progress that had been made in Venezuela since 9-11, while the Bush administration was busy using the pretext of terrorism to violate international law and initiate hostilities against Iraq.

"One million four hundred and six thousand Venezuelans learned to read and write. We are 25 million total. And the country will, in a few days, be declared an illiteracy-free territory. And three million Venezuelans, who had always been excluded because of poverty, are now part of primary, secondary and higher studies. Seventeen million Venezuelans, almost 70% of the population, are receiving, and for the first time, universal healthcare, including the medicine, and in a few years, all Venezuelans will have free access to an excellent healthcare service. More that a million seven hundred tons of food are channeled to over 12 million people at subsidized prices, almost half the population. One million gets them completely free, as they are in a transition period. More than 700 thousand new jobs have been created, thus reducing unemployment by 9 points. All of this amid internal and external aggressions, including a coup d'etat and an oil industry shutdown organized by Washington."

Unlike Bush, Chavez's record is backed up by a solid performance in nearly every area of social development. Its no wonder the elitist American media, driven by their class-based ideology, has tried so desperately to discredit him.

Chavez oratory to the General Assembly will undoubtedly elevate him in the eyes of many as a serious futurist who offers genuine solutions for a war-ravaged planet. His personal fortitude and optimism are matched by his selfless conduct as President; working persistently on behalf of his people and strengthening global relations. His iconic image around the world is well deserved.

"We will fight for Venezuela, for Latin American integration and the world. We reaffirm our infinite faith in humankind. We are thirsty for peace and justice in order to survive as species... Now is the time to not allow our hands to be idle or our souls to rest until we save humanity."

His speech was received with thunderous applause.

(Note: "Operation Balboa; the plan to invade Venezuela; President Chavez announced on "Nightline" Friday edition 9-16-05 that, "I have evidence that there are plans to invade Venezuela. Furthermore, we have documentation: how many bombers will over-fly Venezuela on the day of the invasion, how many trans-Atlantic carriers, how many aircraft carriers need to be sent to (inaudible) even during (inaudible)." The US is carrying out maneuvers at Curacao Island, and Chavez claims to have documentation to back up his allegations. "The plan is called Balboa and Venezuela is indicated as its objective.")

gotta admit......he was eloquent. and did not mince words....while being firm and clear. Gotta agree about the UN being moved out of the US. The US has no respect for the UN anyhow..... and it might be "healthier" for the UN and the world ......for it to be based in a more neutral country. Switzerland, Sweden....... a place where peace and peaceful solutions are the primary concerns. The US LOVES WAR too much and is far too rigidly biased , prejudiced to be a proper host nation for the UN..........as it stands today.

Another Galloway??? :wink:

 

[PoisonPete2]

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why can't Canada produce a leader who is a person of honour like Chavez? I am in South America late next month. I hope to send my regards to Chavez and encourage him to continue with his reforms. He just may be the modern Bolivar.

 

[jjw1965]

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do believe that anti American attitudes are getting in the way of many peoples judgement.

Well Iguess I better speak up since I posted the article and being an American, That's Right an American posted this article! I think if Americans would take enough time to truly look at this administration they would see who's in violation of human rights, we can memorize statistics of football players and driving records of NASCAR drivers, but we have a real hard time with the facts about our own country!

 

[Shiva]

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I really don't understand why Venezuela is making such a huge deal out of Pat Robertson's comments, other than it must be politically expedient and self-satisfying rhetoric. So what if he recommended the assassination of a foreign leader? Yeah, not great foreign policy, but he's not a member of the government. If he was a member of the gov't he should certainly resign, but he's not, and his comment is his own (no matter how unenlightened). Really, who cares?

 

[Hank C Cheyenne]

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Sorry mistype
Iraqi people have not offically voted on the constitution, however the constitution is supported by the majority. Except for the sunni population, which are the minority (coincidentaly the sunni population ruled under Hussein, what a surprise)!!

I provide no links to a document but if you read papers and google up the issue you will see for yourselves.

PS: if canada had a duchebag like chavez in charge im sure alberta would seperate. hmmmm republic of alberta.... sounds good.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

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...we can memorize statistics of football players and driving records of NASCAR drivers, but we have a real hard time with the facts about our own country!

Only facts that contradict what they perceive to be the American dream...very few know that the American dream has been subverted to greed and malice...

Keep up the good work though...in the end, if you've opened the eyes of even one person, then you've been far more patriotic than over half of your countrymen...

 

[JomZ]

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You have to watch it when it comes to Chavez?

Case in point:

He later reiterated this in a February 26 speech at the 4th Summit on the Social Debt held in Caracas. [19] To charges from business leaders that Chávez is eroding private property rights, and from the Roman Catholic cardinal that he was becoming a dictator, he said that Venezuelans must choose between "capitalism, which is the road to hell, or socialism, for those who want to build the kingdom of God here on earth."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Chavez#Democratic_Socialism

 

[Vanni Fucci]

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Sorry mistype
Iraqi people have not offically voted on the constitution, however the constitution is supported by the majority. Except for the sunni population, which are the minority (coincidentaly the sunni population ruled under Hussein, what a surprise)!!

I provide no links to a document but if you read papers and google up the issue you will see for yourselves.

PS: if canada had a duchebag like chavez in charge im sure alberta would seperate. hmmmm republic of alberta.... sounds good.

Hmmm...you sound pretty feckin' familiar...

I think that as an act of good will, we should grant to the First Nations people the cities of Calgary and Edmonton as part of their land claims...and we should put the greedy feckin' neocons in some remote northern reserve, far far away from the Americans who are clearly a bad influence on them...Ralph Klein can be their chief...what could be better than that?

 

[Ocean Breeze]

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PS: if canada had a duchebag like chavez in charge im sure alberta would seperate. hmmmm republic of alberta.... sounds good.

well, Alberta is such a US butt licker......it is amazing that it has not joined the US by now. Very similar in thinking.....POWER and megabucks..greed ......and of course the "language of oil".

but I digress....

 

[Ocean Breeze]

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...you sound pretty feckin' familiar...

notice how all neocons (neo fascists ) aka ??? sound alike???

Gotta be the brainwashing they surrender themselves to......by choice.

"they" don't have an independant thought amongst themselves..

( a generalization.......??? Yes.....but bases on the obvious)

 

[Hank C Cheyenne]

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Vanni Fucci where the hell do you live?
Only a damn foreigner would not know that ONtario, Sask, BC and most provinces in Canada have Aborigional land claims!
Alberta was build on the backs of Conservatives, lol we haven't even had a liberal in power here since the 50s or 60s and that was short lived.

W/E Canada needs Alberta,not the other way around. With Ontario poised to become a have not province in the next few years, where do all the equalization payments come from? And Alberta would never join the US it would become a republic before that ever happend.

I love Canada but Ontario and thier stupid socialist, liberal ideals are ruining the country. If Canada had a more decentralized government then we would all be happier. I woulden't be surprised if Newfoundland left too.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

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Vanni Fucci where the hell do you live?
Only a damn foreigner would not know that ONtario, Sask, BC and most provinces in Canada have Aborigional land claims!
Alberta was build on the backs of Conservatives, lol we haven't even had a liberal in power here since the 50s or 60s and that was short lived.

W/E Canada needs Alberta,not the other way around. With Ontario poised to become a have not province in the next few years, where do all the equalization payments come from? And Alberta would never join the US it would become a republic before that ever happend.

I love Canada but Ontario and thier stupid socialist, liberal ideals are ruining the country. If Canada had a more decentralized government then we would all be happier. I woulden't be surprised if Newfoundland left too.

Wouldn't all these splits just be peachy for the US to come in and take over. ......vultures that they are.....


(NOT you jjw. ......... you is A-OK.....and a true American of the America that used to be..)

 

[JomZ]

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Whatever happened to Hugo Chavez???

 

[peapod]

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Well ocean that's because its the same ones visiting us all the time, they like us, they really like us they just change their names.
Shiva mentioned who cares what pat robertson says. Normally couldn't care less what that well oiled weasel has to say. The oiled one, has his tentacles in the state now...bingo! there goes democracy out the window. No seperation of church and state. Intelligent design in the same league of science. Better stay outta salem 8O

 

[Ocean Breeze]

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Whatever happened to Hugo Chavez???

His message lives...... :wink:

 

[Ocean Breeze]

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Better stay outta salem

ya ain't kidding....