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Hank C Cheyenne

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Reverend Blair if you read my earlier comments you would see that I applauded Canada's contribution and god bless all our soilders.
You are right when you say that the have been individual american soilders who are crapping on the effort. And sure asking the warlords to help them look of OBL was pretty stupid. But in the end you guys really don't know the conditions there, so quit attacking the effort in Afghanistan. We should all hope for peace in that region don't attack the US and Canada until we see how that country turns out.

Peapod the terrorists must of killed over 200 people in this week i think. It's all suacide bombers attacking job fairs and places where moderate muslims are trying to get ahead. We should all support moderate muslims they are the key to the future!
 

Reverend Blair

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You never answered my question, Hank.

If you want to start a thread about Afghanistan and Iraq, go ahead. This one's about Hugo Chavez, a man who has survived a US-backed coup and an American-funded recall attempt because he has the support of the people who put him in office.

Why are so afraid of that subject?
 

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What are you talking about buddy. Since when did the US put Saddam in Iraq and the taliban in Afghanistan?
In 1959, there was a failed assassination attempt on Qasim. The failed assassin was none other than a young Saddam Hussein. In 1963, a CIA-organized coup did successfully assassinate Qasim and Saddam's Ba'ath Party came to power for the first time. Saddam returned from exile in Egypt and took up the key post as head of Iraq's secret service. The CIA then provided the new pliant, Iraqi regime with the names of thousands of communists, and other leftist activists and organizers. Thousands of these supporters of Qasim and his policies were soon dead in a rampage of mass murder carried out by the CIA's close friends in Iraq.

Iraq is once again a target of US regime change. Despite that, precious little is being said by the corporate media about how the CIA aided and abetted political assassination, regime change and mass murder, all in the name of putting Saddam's Ba'ath power into power for the first time in Iraq.
Regime Change: How the CIA put Saddam's Party in Power
 

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peapod said:
How many people died in Iraq this week???

indeed. How many Iraqis have been terrorized by the US last week?? Anyone keeping track??

For that matter.......how about Afganistan?? Out of site is out of mind??? Is that how it works??

(until someone releases some pornographic style torture pics and the media has no choice but to "play " it ., debate it (as if there is something to debate)...

Isn't Iran being 'terrorized " by the US as we "speak" here??
 

Ocean Breeze

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Why are so afraid of that subject?

could it be that the TRUTH is just too "threatening" to the ego ??? It might shatter the delusions/illusions that have been created ...., packaged and merchandized.
 

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Hurricane Hugo at the U.N.

By Mike Whitney

09/18/05 "ICH" -- -- "Practically no one in the United States knows that we've donated millions of dollars to the governorship of Louisiana, to the New Orleans Red Cross. We're now giving care to more than 5,000 victims, and now we're going to supply gasoline, freely in some cases, and with discounts in other cases, to the poorest of communities, starting with New Orleans and its surroundings... We've been helping. And we've been even rescuing people." Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez; "Nightline" with Ted Koppel, 9-16-05

Hugo Chavez's performance at the UN was greeted with the bucket-loads of bile that one expects from America's rightward-titling media. Washington Post hatchet-man Colum Lynch provided a typical summary of the speech by dismissing it as "a rant" from the Venezuelan "bad-boy". But, Lynch isn't alone in his hostility; the outpouring of venom came from all corners; appearing in many newspapers across the nation, invoking the hackneyed expressions of contempt for any foreign leader who rebuffs Washington or who follows redistributive economic policies.

In fact, the speech was a brilliant and impassioned analysis of the current state of the world and of the United Nations. Chavez noted that the original intention of the gathering had been "completely distorted" by the so-called reform process introduced by John Bolton. The reforms are entirely designed to transform the UN into a cats-paw for American power creating greater flexibility for Washington's preemptive wars and for dismantling the foundations of international law. They signal the demise of the UN as a legitimate forum for world development and an invitation for Bush and co. to act with even greater impunity.

The Bush administration's maneuvering has successfully sabotaged the efforts made by the international community for real improvement. The goals of the Millennium Summit, to reduce hunger, poverty and ignorance, will not be achieved and the mission of the UN has been effectively torpedoed by Bolton's machinations. Chavez speech draws this same obvious conclusion: "Friends of the world, The United Nations has exhausted its model, and it is not all about reform. The XXI century claims deep changes that will only be possible if a new organization is founded. This UN does not work. We have to say it. It is the truth."

Chavez's remarks are not intended to disgrace the UN, but to offer a different vision for the future. He recognizes the pressing requirements of the new century and realizes that many of these problems "do not have a national solution: radioactive clouds, world oil prices, diseases, warming of the planet or the hole in the ozone layer. These are not domestic problems."

Chavez proposes his own set of reforms for the UN, including expansion of the Security Council, greater transparency, increasing the powers of the Secretary General, and "suppressing" the power of one nation to veto resolutions made by the council. But, he does not believe that reforms are enough by themselves and insists that the UN be transformed completely, beginning with a change of venue from New York to an "international city with its own sovereignty". Chavez's logic is inescapable; if the United States continues to flaunt UN resolutions and violate international law, as it has with the Iraq war, it should not be host to the world body. Chavez's suggestion was not made to humiliate the United States, but to demonstrate the urgency of the calamity the world faces if action is not taken swiftly on matters of mutual concern. Chavez takes a keen interest in these issues even though Washington chooses to ignore them.

"Ladies and gentlemen, we are facing an unprecedented energy crisis in which an unstoppable increase of energy is perilously reaching record highs, as well as the incapacity of increase oil supply and the perspective of a decline in the proven reserves of fuel worldwide. Oil is starting to become exhausted.

For the year 2020 the daily demand for oil will be 120 million barrels. Such demand, even without counting future increments- would consume in 20 years what humanity has used up to now. This means that more carbon dioxide will inevitably be increased, thus warming our planet even more."

Chavez cogently draws a straight line between global warming to the devastation of Hurricane Katrina; the first major city lost because from rising ocean temperatures. He deftly connects the tragedy to the neoliberal economic model which continues to thrust the world in a catastrophic direction.

"It is unpractical and unethical to sacrifice the human race by appealing in an insane manner the validity of a socioeconomic model that has a galloping destructive capacity. It would be suicidal to spread it and impose it as an infallible remedy for the evils which are caused precisely by them."

Chavez also defended his record as a reformer and a man willing to take risks for the sake of his own people. In one particularly stinging remark, he noted the progress that had been made in Venezuela since 9-11, while the Bush administration was busy using the pretext of terrorism to violate international law and initiate hostilities against Iraq.

"One million four hundred and six thousand Venezuelans learned to read and write. We are 25 million total. And the country will, in a few days, be declared an illiteracy-free territory. And three million Venezuelans, who had always been excluded because of poverty, are now part of primary, secondary and higher studies.

Seventeen million Venezuelans, almost 70% of the population, are receiving, and for the first time, universal healthcare, including the medicine, and in a few years, all Venezuelans will have free access to an excellent healthcare service. More that a million seven hundred tons of food are channeled to over 12 million people at subsidized prices, almost half the population. One million gets them completely free, as they are in a transition period. More than 700 thousand new jobs have been created, thus reducing unemployment by 9 points. All of this amid internal and external aggressions, including a coup d'etat and an oil industry shutdown organized by Washington."

Unlike Bush, Chavez's record is backed up by a solid performance in nearly every area of social development. Its no wonder the elitist American media, driven by their class-based ideology, has tried so desperately to discredit him.

Chavez oratory to the General Assembly will undoubtedly elevate him in the eyes of many as a serious futurist who offers genuine solutions for a war-ravaged planet. His personal fortitude and optimism are matched by his selfless conduct as President; working persistently on behalf of his people and strengthening global relations. His iconic image around the world is well deserved.

"We will fight for Venezuela, for Latin American integration and the world. We reaffirm our infinite faith in humankind. We are thirsty for peace and justice in order to survive as species... Now is the time to not allow our hands to be idle or our souls to rest until we save humanity."

His speech was received with thunderous applause.

(Note: "Operation Balboa; the plan to invade Venezuela; President Chavez announced on "Nightline" Friday edition 9-16-05 that, "I have evidence that there are plans to invade Venezuela. Furthermore, we have documentation: how many bombers will over-fly Venezuela on the day of the invasion, how many trans-Atlantic carriers, how many aircraft carriers need to be sent to (inaudible) even during (inaudible)." The US is carrying out maneuvers at Curacao Island, and Chavez claims to have documentation to back up his allegations. "The plan is called Balboa and Venezuela is indicated as its objective.")
 

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The dis-ease I got is one of reading a lack of balance here in this thread. Lack of balance.

As we skippity do dah from hatred of Bush Amerika right into the arms of a Chavez is a silliness borne of over-reaction.

I believe Canucklehead is right and all you Bush haters are right. Amerika has no option but to leave Chavez alone and allow him to go his course whether right or wrong.

But beware of this stage cat. He knows his audience.

You watch how far you jump to embrace his fine sounding rhetoric, his Castro-like charisma, and then watch what really happens.

But continue this adoration as much as you all deny it.
I think it's gullible.

All that oil down there isn't going to back up the man's rhetoric.

I'll bet you 20 years from now.

Da nada is the bottom line.

We're looking at the play of yet another politician strutting his ego upon the stage, a play of solopsism with admirers of his word.

Hate Amerika sells.

You've all bought it without retaining a more analytical eye.
 

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Amerika has no option but to leave Chavez alone and allow him to go his course whether right or wrong

You have no OPTION?????? but to leave chavez alone! who the hell do you think you are???? who died and made you lord of the universe :roll:
 

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You miss the point, Jim...on purpose I suspect.

The fact is that Chavez has greatly increased the lot in life of the average Venezuelan citizen.

When will the US be free of illiteracy? Never because your president and other leaders scorn knowledge and hate science.

When will the US recognise that there is a very real energy crisis? Never, because you president and your leaders are profitting from it.

When will the US realise that global warming is a threat to our civilisation? Never, because your leaders profit from burning fossil fuels and despise science.

When will the US achieve healthcare for all of its citizens? Never because your leaders put profit before human lives.

You have the largest economy in the world and are incapable of addressing even the most basic needs of your own citizens.

Along comes Chavez. He's from a poor country. He is not part of the elite in that country, but comes from the indigenous people who have been oppressed in the name of profits. What does he do? He sets out to solve very real problems and is quite successful at it.

Now look at what you and yours have done, Jimmy. You've tried to undermine Chavez at every turn. You've refused to listen to the facts and refused to acknowledge his successes. You tried to run him out of power even though he is a democratically elected leader. You've called him names and told disparaging lies about him.

Are you so completely threatened by this man's success that you would destroy him, or are your motives based purely on short-term profits, Jimmy?
 

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Blah! what hypocrites, its okay for them to do everything they excuse others of. Castro...what a joke!!!!!! who was in power before castro????? a low life dictator that the american government supported, so they could piss their money away on gambling. Everytime that government tried squash castro, he threw it right back at them.
All these years and cuba still survives, regardless of your sanctions, regardless of your attempted assinations....Long live cuba!!!!
 

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Reverend Blair said:
You miss the point, Jim...on purpose I suspect.

The fact is that Chavez has greatly increased the lot in life of the average Venezuelan citizen.

When will the US be free of illiteracy? Never because your president and other leaders scorn knowledge and hate science.

When will the US recognise that there is a very real energy crisis? Never, because you president and your leaders are profitting from it.

When will the US realise that global warming is a threat to our civilisation? Never, because your leaders profit from burning fossil fuels and despise science.

When will the US achieve healthcare for all of its citizens? Never because your leaders put profit before human lives.

You have the largest economy in the world and are incapable of addressing even the most basic needs of your own citizens.

Along comes Chavez. He's from a poor country. He is not part of the elite in that country, but comes from the indigenous people who have been oppressed in the name of profits. What does he do? He sets out to solve very real problems and is quite successful at it.

Now look at what you and yours have done, Jimmy. You've tried to undermine Chavez at every turn. You've refused to listen to the facts and refused to acknowledge his successes. You tried to run him out of power even though he is a democratically elected leader. You've called him names and told disparaging lies about him.

Are you so completely threatened by this man's success that you would destroy him, or are your motives based purely on short-term profits, Jimmy?


BRAVO Rev!! Lists like that .(well done).......and maybe diagrams would help..to enlighten ..
 

jimmoyer

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Reverend Blair, you gotta a little more knowledge than the average Bear but still I hold you to a caveat on Chavez.

We will see what Chavez actually does, and while he talks the talk, he knows Hate Amerika is a product that sells well.

Like a lover feeling cheated, don't rush into the arms of the next Lothario.
 

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Yes, well Jimmy...helllllllllo he is in a big line up of hating america? perhaps you should be asking yourself why??? Perhaps some new OPTIONS might be in order.
 

Hank C Cheyenne

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I agree with you Jim. Hate america does sell. Most of these people are so blinded by hatred of the good ol USA that anyone who shares the hate is right. Hugo Chavez Today, whats next Osama Bin Laden? lol jk...... i hope
 

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I just don't understand why it's so easy it is to mix up critisism* with Hate? Hate is much easier to explain I guess, it requires less thinking.




*here's a hint: Critisism when listened to is usually constructive.
 

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Jo Canadian said:
I just don't understand why it's so easy it is to mix up critisism* with Hate? Hate is much easier to explain I guess, it requires less thinking.




*here's a hint: Critisism when listened to is usually constructive.

not sure the blokes understand the difference between constructive criticism.....and "hate". Hate seems to serve "them " a purpose too. They can then feel sorry for themselves. What "they" fail to see or take the time to figure out.......is WHY there is so much anger (JUSTIFIED) at the US....and how anger can morph into a form of hatred. It is "they " that live in glass houses and wear rose tinted glasses that wallow in self pity any time "they " are justifiably criticized. sigh..
 

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Hate america does sell.


poor poor baby Amerika. :roll: Everyone "hates" it :roll: ......and now "Hate Amerika" is being commercialized. Nothing like making a buck ........... So where are the "hate amerika " T-shirts..... ???


truth does hurt , don't it???
 

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odd - my news channels did not carry this Chavez speach at all!!

When will we hear and see real opposition to the ruling class again? Not in this era of controlled media.

thanks for posting it my friends, and don't forget that critisizm of Chavez is largely propaganda. {ie. "abused his citizens rights" - has two sides... Chavez helped more than he 'abused' with land reforms.]
 

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Reverend Blair, you gotta a little more knowledge than the average Bear but still I hold you to a caveat on Chavez.

We will see what Chavez actually does, and while he talks the talk, he knows Hate Amerika is a product that sells well.

Hold me to whatever you want, little fella. If your government is so worried about Chavez becoming a dictator, why have you attempted to undermine the democratic process in Venezuela and surrounding countries? Wouldn't reacting to your anti-democratic actions make him more likely to move away from democracy?

Chavez doesn't just talk the talk either. That's another of those lies that some have been pushing. He said he'd educate the people and he has. He said he'd provide medical care and he has. He said that he would start land reforms to give the land back to the people so they could earn a decent living and he has.

Looks to me like he's walking the walk, Jimmy. What's your president doing? Your economy sucks, you haven't found bin Laden, no mission has been accomplished in Iraq, poverty is up, real wages are down, illiteracy is rising, and there are 40 million Americans without access to healthcare.

You want us to pick sides, Jimmy? You want us to base that choice on facts? I have. Chavez's record speaks for itself. So does George Bush's.