Chavez called the United States a "terrorist state&quot

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Chavez called the United States a "terrorist st

Vanni Fucci where the hell do you live?
Only a damn foreigner would not know that ONtario, Sask, BC and most provinces in Canada have Aborigional land claims!

Seems you have an attitude of denigration towards foreigners...typical of the systemic ideological bigotry of those you support... :roll:

Alberta was build on the backs of Conservatives, lol we haven't even had a liberal in power here since the 50s or 60s and that was short lived.

No...Alberta was built by Canadians, and Canadian tax dollars...

W/E Canada needs Alberta,not the other way around. With Ontario poised to become a have not province in the next few years, where do all the equalization payments come from? And Alberta would never join the US it would become a republic before that ever happend.

I didn't say that we'd ask for your consent before we relocate you...

I love Canada but Ontario and thier stupid socialist, liberal ideals are ruining the country. If Canada had a more decentralized government then we would all be happier. I woulden't be surprised if Newfoundland left too.

Bullshit...you love nothing about Canada...

Many of the greatest achievements in this country have been socialist ideals...how is it that you can cast aspersions at a Universal Health Care system that would still be working if the feckin' Conservatives and Liberals had not hacked it to peices...how can you sit there and say that the first Bill of Rights to be drafted in North America was a bad idea? If it had not been for the labour movement, we'd all be working for $1 an hour and 70 hours a week...next time you take a vacation with your family, think about how terrible the socialist dream is...

Socialism has suffered greatly at the hands of neoliberalism and neoconservativism...

What you propose, decentralizing government, would end up with Alberta, with its wealth of oil revenue, calling all the shots...it would be every province for themselves, and those that don't have oil would be doomed to fail...I doubt that the rest of Canada would want to be taking orders from King Ralph or his ilk...

That's not Canada...that's nowhere near what Canada is, was, or should be...so don't be telling me how much you love Canada, because you seem to have some pre-occupation with selling us all down the river...Alberta is not the be-all/end-all of this country...and never feckin' will be...Alberta is just 1/13 of all there is...I suggest you get used to the idea...

 

[jjw1965]

Re: Chavez called the United States a "terrorist state&

there goes democracy out the window. No seperation of church and state. Intelligent design in the same league of science. Better stay outta salem

14 characteristics common to fascist regimes
look at number 8

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: Chavez called the United States a "terrorist state&

there goes democracy out the window. No seperation of church and state. Intelligent design in the same league of science. Better stay outta salem

14 characteristics common to fascist regimes
look at number 8

hi jj. Not only number 8.......but virtually all the characteristics listed FIT....

most likely , by the time the sheeple wake up to the realities....it will be too late. Fascism is taking hold now......by penetrating the psyche under different vernacular. The effectiveness of the fear/terror card cannot be under estimated.. Meanwhile the US is turning into what it says it is fighting....

 

[no1important]

Re: Chavez called the United States a "terrorist state&

At a press conference after his speech, Chavez said that the United States was a "terrorist state" because of its actions in Iraq, Robertson's assassination call and for harboring Luis Posada Carriles, who is wanted for the bombing of a Cuban airliner.

"It is a terrorist state. It is a government that violates all rules and behaves shamelessly," he said."The United States is the champion of double standards. The United States' government defends terrorism. They talk of the fight against the terrorism, but they commit terrorism, state terrorism," said Chavez.

America is a terrorist state. Gitmo, Prisoner abuse in Iraq, arresting and detaining people without charge indefinatly. They are the world bullies and run by religious thugs. They are no better than leaders of some of the other countries they criticize. They love war and conflict.

Chavez told the UN General Assembly that the United States was "a country that does not respect the resolutions of this assembly."

"To loud applause he took up the call of Latin American revolutionary Simon Bolivar for the UN headquarters to be moved to "an international city" in the southern hemisphere."

How very very true.

The UN should be moved out of America, especially America show's it no respect, bad mouths it and ignores it anyways. I think Rio would be a good place for UN.

Chavez has done a whole lot of good for his people and US government do not like him because he will not let his country be a "corrupt puppet" to American demands. He won't let America dictate how he runs his country. America hates countries they can not control.

Chavez has balls and courage to stand up to America, we need more leaders in the world like him. I would like to see Chavez down the road, head up the UN.

If any leader in this world is a dictator it is "W".

 

[Hard-Luck Henry]

Re: Chavez called the United States a "terrorist state&

Chavez offering aid to the US has reminded me of another hurricane related incident, that I think is pertinent to this thread - namely, when a previous Republican administration refused to send aid to Nicaragua, following Hurricane Joan, because they didn't like the Nicaraguan government's ideology.

since we're talking US state terrorism here, I' d like to point out that the US was actively assisting the Contras at that time - an organisation who's activities - rape, summary execution, targetting civilians, the usual "terrorist" stuff - had been officially declared "terrorism" by the US State Department. You'll recall that Congress had prohibited federal funding of these terrorists in 1983, but that the Reagan administration had continued to finance them, with money gained through selling arms to Iran.

US terrorism is a fact, and it's not even a new one.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Chavez called the Uni

It's not new. It is always more prevalent under Republican regimes though. The Bush bunch is the worst so far. They have no respect for human rights or human life. All they care about is corporate profits.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: Chavez called the United States a "terrorist state&

US terrorism is a fact, and it's not even a new one.

Absolutely!! :evil: :x

 

[Steve French]

RE: Chavez called the Uni

Chavez is quite right.
The only difference between the United States in 2005 and Germany in 1939 is the nazis had nicer uniforms and their fearless 'Leader' was considerably more eloquent than President Chimpy McFlightsuit.
Otherwise, same shiate, different generation.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: Chavez called the Uni

Chavez is quite right.
The only difference between the United States in 2005 and Germany in 1939 is the nazis had nicer uniforms and their fearless 'Leader' was considerably more eloquent than President Chimpy McFlightsuit.
Otherwise, same shiate, different generation.

yes, he is. The difference is that he has the fortitude/ (aka balls) to say it out loud , and in the presence of appropriate company....... ie. Say , what most others are aware of (think too) and too intimidated (although that is changing) to speak to it.

A few more Galloways and Chavezs ........ and others will be more confident to speak TRUTHS.....as they really are......not the propaganda crap the most settle for.

 

[Canucklehead]

Re: Chavez called the United States a "terrorist state&

Ya gotta love Hugo! Why, if his methods are doomed to failure in the eyes of the U.S.G. do they spend so many resources attempting to kill, discredit and isolate him? Sounds like the f*cktards in the Bush administration are getting nervous at the prospect of a greater equality for all than the unfettered consumerist idelology can compete with. No wait, isn't competing the basis of capitalism/consumerism? So much for mastering that, eh Georgie?

 

[jimmoyer]

RE: Chavez called the United States a "terrorist state&

Ah let the glorifying and deification of Chavez begin !!

How all the cynicism of Bush flip flops into total adoration of Chavez is quite a riddle to me.

Seems to me you would keep a consistent jaundiced eye on both of them.

But as always, the career skeptic hides a soft gullible underbelly. The shrillness of the complaint overlays a romance with the unreal.

 

[Canucklehead]

Re: Chavez called the United States a "terrorist state&

It's not so much a total adoration of Chavez as it is the realisation that capitalism as practiced by the U.S., U.K, Canada etc and foisted on any and all developing nations is not working towards the betterment of society as a whole as it was thought it could.

Only a fool would remain on a train headed for a wall. It's high time to start looking at alternatives, even if they seem to go against the grain of what we were raised to believe.

 

[Hank C Cheyenne]

RE: Chavez called the United States a "terrorist state&

All of you guys hope that the USA empire is destroyed and everything. Have any of you thought about what happens to the Canadian economy? I mean Alberta has oil which is Universal, don't matter if you sell it to US or anywhere its profitable. But what about all the manufacturing plants in Ontario and the fact that 85% of our exports go to the good ol USA?

None of you even worry about what would happen if a country like China becomes the next superpower! God help us all!! All you guys do is rat on America, bunch of cowards think we should leave Iraq. It would be taken over by terrorists tomorrow and all the moderates killed. Regardless of if we should of gone there, WE ARE THERE NOW. Lets hope for Iraqi democracy!

 

[jimmoyer]

RE: Chavez called the United States a "terrorist state&

Okay, so it's not total adoration of Chavez, it's watered down to scattered praise of the guy?

Still, the cynicism that considers itself so informed does have a skippy gullibility side.

As far as you bringing up an alternative to variant forms of capitalism, I ask you to not even consider this un-novel approach.

You can if you want. But it'll be full of stumbles as well.

The incestuous nature of false alternatives, as though it's all Capitalism or it's all the Glorious Socialism of Castro and Chavez and Lenin and Mao.

These are false alternatives.

I despise the hybrid, the strutting pure bred dog.

Bring me the Mongrel, less hyper, move loving, more a combination of things,.

Socialism and Capitalism make good partners as we see in our every day lives. The 8 hour work day. A chance slowly gone for social security. And the incentive the chance to make it big. Let us consider this seesaw, let us keep fine tuning the balance.

It's not either/or.

That's the Myth of False Alternatives.

 

[Steve French]

RE: Chavez called the Uni

He who is not a socialist at 18 has no heart!
He who is not a conservative by 30 has no brains!//

I am quite a bit older than 30 and I lose more brain cells in my daily dump than President Chimpy has in his whole family line.

Manufacturing in NAmerica is going the way of the buggy whip as a consequence of global capitalism - same as electronics, same as garment industry, same as....blah blah.
No, I do not "worry" about it because it is not necessarily a bad thing. IMO humans should be freed from crappy manufacturing 'jobs' - let the machines do it. That is why we invented them.
What will all the legions of stupid people do?
I do not know. I do not know how this supposed transition to a service economy is supposed to work.
Neither do you.
Nobody does, because it has never been tried before.

But hey, watching the US Empire deconstruct in my time from a safe distance in Canada has been very entertaining, I must say.

'May you live in interesting times' - ancient Chinese curse?

 

[#juan]

Re: Chavez called the United States a "terrorist state&

He who is not a socialist at 18 has no heart!
He who is not a conservative by 30 has no brains!//

The way I read it was: If you are not a socialist at 18 you have no heart.
If you are still a socialist at thirty, you have no brains.

Having said that, I compromise by saying that everything is not all black or white.

 

[peapod]

Re: Chavez called the United States a "terrorist state&

Make that a double blah blah! frenchie. Oh yes the bogie man is gonna gets us, unlike the real live boogie man terrorizing people right now...Dubya :? You neocons just don't get it, you cannot sell your bullshit to us or the rest of the world any longer.

 

[Canucklehead]

RE: Chavez called the Uni

jim, yes you are right, the combination of the two can work. Have you read much on the bolivarian revolution outside the standard fare of Fox, NBC,ABC etc? There is a captialist component to it which is a hybrid, aka the mongrel. The idea is to educate the people so they can think for themselves, be creative in their own right, have access to resources to try new ideas and also to ensure that a corporation is not ignorant to the needs of the worker. The workers are going be occupying min. 20% of the space on any board/committee etc so their ideas are represented. The workers are encouraged to discuss ideas for improvment and efficiency. Management is to listen and point out the major stumbling blocks so they can be worked around. In other areas, the workers themselves are the owners outright (agriculture primarily as I recall) In short, Chavez is basically legislating what most companies in Canada and the U.S. only pay lip service to as a morale boosting mechanism.

This is an experiment very much worth pursuing, even if it fails.

 

[Canucklehead]

RE: Chavez called the Uni

off topic (sorta) request...

since the loss of all my boomarks Imma trying desperately to rebuild the list, maybe someone here can help.

It seems a lot of peoples here visit GU Talk and there was a link provided on a Chavez thread on GUT back in June/July which had an extremely thorough and objective review of the Bolivarian revolution. The article/review was by a Latin American , i believe a journalist and was prolly equal to 8+ written pages, if i remember correctly the page layout has a lot of yellow/gold colour to it. If this tweaks anyone's memory I would really appreciate having the link again. Thanks

 

[Hank C Cheyenne]

RE: Chavez called the United States a "terrorist state&

Steve Frency you have no idea what your talking bout same with you Peapod!
What do you guys mean watching the US deconstruct from canada is a safe distance? I suggest you read more on the economies of Canada and US. Its not all just maufacturing although that is huge. If the US economy falls Canada's will certainly be devistated. Here in Canada and the USA we do more importing than exporting to the rest of the world. The only industries I can see not completely being affected would be our natural resources revenues. And I certainly would not like China to come over here and start bullying us around. Honestly do you wackos think that China would be a better superpower than America????

............ like I always say, PISS OFF A LIBERAL, BUY A GUN