Charter of Peace: ( Prevent Empire America Contolling Earth)

[ironsides]

CHARTER OF THE PEACE MOVEMENT.


We, Members of PEACE (Prevent Empire America Controlling Earth), which is a democratic, secular, and international Movement, will peacefully and to the best of our ability work individually, together, and in local groups:

CHARTER OF THE PEACE MOVEMENT. | DANGEROUS CREATION.


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Terran Federation: Rights of a full Citizen (to vote, and hold public office) must be earned through some form of volunteer Federal service. Those residents who have not exercised their right to perform this Federal Service retain the other rights generally associated with a modern democracy (free speech, assembly, etc.), but they cannot vote or hold public office. :smile:

You are referring to becoming just a resident to be taken care of.

 

[Cliffy]

The US is a colossal screw up that has wandered so far from the vision of the founding fathers as to be unrecognizable. The government now sustains its power through tired slogans and propaganda that citizens have been hearing since grade 1 but have been repeated so often that the meanings have been lost to rote. The people pay homage to imagery of freedom and democracy fashioned by the "Ministry of Truth" that bear no resemblemce to the reality of today. Some people are opening their eyes but just as many refuse. The occupy movement scares the crap out of the sheeple who prefer to believe in slogans. But resistance is futile. The ground swell is in motion and will not stop (it may falter, but will not stop) because most people cannot live their lives sustained by lies any more.

 

[ironsides]

Who are you referring to as sheeple? Surely not the 1%, who are not terrified about the movement. So it must be the other 99% who don't have the foggiest what there protesting about or who they actually should be protesting against. It is not Wall Street who are the bad guys, but the politicians who allow this misappropriation of tax dollars to be paid to in the first place. They want jobs, then that should be included in the terms when money is loaned or given to corporations. But no, they just stand there and defecate in the parks. By the way Cliffy, why do you blame the U.S. for this problem, You don't think Canada and other countries are responsible? We did not make Greece the lazy country it is, it was themselves who created taxes and never collected them. You want to go to Italy who just spent money like there was no tomorrow and have absolutely nothing to show for it, yet Europe keeps dumping money into them.

 

[CDNBear]

I blame France.

 

[SLM]

I blame France.

Pourquoi?

 

[TenPenny]

Indeed; without France, the US would likely not exist as it does today, so we could blame France.

And that bloody statue in the NY Harbour, that's all France's fault, too.

 

[ironsides]

Pourquoi?

Not sure if I did this right, but here goes: Reprochez au français tout.

 

[SLM]

Indeed; without France, the US would likely not exist as it does today, so we could blame France.

And that bloody statue in the NY Harbour, that's all France's fault, too.

Ah yes, Lady Liberty. The old bitch at the heart of the "Empire"

Not sure if I did this right, but here goes: Reprochez au français tout.

Hey I'm barely unilingual myself, lol.

 

[wulfie68]

Is the United States perfect? Absolutely not, but it is not an empire bent on world domination. At it's worst it is like most nations with money. Arrogant, short sighted, but it has no designs to rule the world.

I agree with this. If we wish to use more colorful language, some US initiatives have been akin to a bull in a china shop, but the damage is more from ignorance than malice, which is not what Brezzy's tirades lead one to believe.

Wulfie, in a way, I do agree with "some" of what the article says, and more when it comes to what OB says. As far as I'm concerned the u.s. is as great a threat to peace as is Russia, China, Israel, Syria, Iran, etc etc etc. I personally don't feel the u.s. has a hell of alot to be proud of. With that said, these ying yangs claiming to be a "charter of peace" are full of shyte. The only thing this whole thing is, is an anti u.s.a. rant.

I disagree with you, in that I do not believe the US is as great a threat to world peace as Syria, Iran, etc. China and Russia are debatable. The US has made mistakes, even the most stalwart American patriot would have to admit that but at the same time, they have done a lot of what the world asked and not recieved much in return. They are the longest running representative democracy in the world. They have provided an example and catalyst for political reforms within the Commonwealth, which we were beneficiaries of. We Canadians like to bring up the fact that the US was late to both World Wars, but without at the same time, they did help save the day in WW2, through their pre-entry lend/lease programs that sent materiel to the UK during the Battle of Britain and the Russians to hold off the Nazis on the advance to/siege of Moscow... without which, the Nazis would have most likely won the war. They led the West/NATO in standing up to imperialist Communism from the USSR in the Cold War and China in the Korean War. Yes there were mistakes, backing the corrupt gov't of South Vietnam vs Ho Chi Minh, backing butchers like Pinochet just because he wasn't Communist and more recently Iraq.

The bad choices don't invalidate the good they have done, they just highlight a need for the US to improve... but thats hardly unique.

 

[taxslave]

Actually you have it backwards. It was the chauvinists on the right that invented that slogan, but they reversed it to "Better dead than red." As someone who lived in the sixties I can remember no example of any prominent member of the left advocating life under communism as an alternative to fighting for freedom. In fact the phrase may have originated in Nazi Germany as the following quote illustrates.

"Better dead than Red" was an anti-Communist phrase, possibly first used during World War II (in German as "Lieber tot als rot") and later during the Cold War by the United States. It was possibly coined by Nazi Germany's propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels, in the end phase of the Second World War to motivate the German military and population to fight the Soviet Red Army to the end. The English version may have come from the original German, but it could also be a re-invention. The slogan was used in the United States in the 1950s by anti-Communists to express their opposition of Communism and left-wing politics (see McCarthyism).

What I wrote is how I remember it in high school. But I can see how it could be turned around. Although I would go with better dead than oppressed my self.

 

[Cliffy]

Must be nice viewing the world through rose coloured glasses.

Who are you referring to as sheeple? Surely not the 1%, who are not terrified about the movement. So it must be the other 99% who don't have the foggiest what there protesting about or who they actually should be protesting against. It is not Wall Street who are the bad guys, but the politicians who allow this misappropriation of tax dollars to be paid to in the first place. They want jobs, then that should be included in the terms when money is loaned or given to corporations. But no, they just stand there and defecate in the parks. By the way Cliffy, why do you blame the U.S. for this problem, You don't think Canada and other countries are responsible? We did not make Greece the lazy country it is, it was themselves who created taxes and never collected them. You want to go to Italy who just spent money like there was no tomorrow and have absolutely nothing to show for it, yet Europe keeps dumping money into them.

First off, the OP is about the US. The sheeple are those that buy the government and media propaganda without question. If the 1% are not terrified of this movement, why have they unleashed all their media resources to discredit it? Yes, they are running scared and their relentless, vicious attacks are proof. If they were not scared, they would just ignore them. Also, it is the US Fed dominated World Bank that has been reaping havoc in the world with their oppressive financial practices. The fractional reserve economy has enslaved the world to perpetual dept. The problem in Greece is not laziness, as the western media would have you believe. There is far more going on here than meets the eye or as the media presents it to the eye. But people would rather believe what they are being fed than to actually do their own homework. The lazy people are the ones who parrot the crap being fed them.

 

[bluebyrd35]

I would also suggest that these complete historical idiots actually take a look at what Imperialism actually is. The United States of America is the ONLY country in history that has repeatedly defeated an enemy, occupied their territory, and then voluntarily withdrawn from that territory and handed it back to its own people. They began doing that with Mexico, during the Mexican war in the 1840's. They did this with Germany and Japan in the early 1950's. They did this with Cuba in the 1890's and the Phillipines in 1945. They did this with Grenada in 1983.



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Of course, until recent wars, many other countries participated in those conquerings and the US usually came out a winner. Selling of arms is still the main commodity that brings in the most money. They did not previously need those conquered countries or want to govern them. The last ones, however, are & were oriented around a resource and much of the rest of the world was not interested in joining them. No sale of arms and no profits from them. Worse, no control of the oil.

I am not sure when it will become clear that war is expensive and uses up too many resources and if we continue to squander those resources, we leave nothing for future generations. In fact, our own children will face a much poorer world than we now have.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

What I wrote is how I remember it in high school. But I can see how it could be turned around. Although I would go with better dead than oppressed my self.

That's how I remember it too, my Dad heard it coming from the mouth of Lester B. Pearson.

 

[bluebyrd35]

My Gawd, there are very few places on this dirt ball were people are not oppressed. If they all felt that better dead than oppressed, our over-population problem would be solved. Even in so called democracies, there are those mightly oppressed by taxes, greedy corporations and governments that support the fleecing of the general population.

Everyone has been oppressed at one time, ie. blacks, women, gays,lesbians, foreigners, immigrants, children, even white testosterone afflicted macho males!! Freedom is worked for not fought for. When fighting occurs, we are fighting against other chess pieces, controlled by those who's aim is wealth through control.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

I just LOVE this poor excuse for an argument. Because the u.s. is a "better" place to live beside then one is not suppose to criticize it?

Who said don't criticize it. I'm saying go live in a Country like Russia, Tehran, the Former Yugoslavia before you get your head wrapped around silly theories about world domination.

If anything, because the u.s. holds itself to be "better" than a lot of other countries in the world, it considers itself the "policeman" of the world, therefore it should be held to a higher standard than most others.

And that has "what exactly" to do with what I was addressing in this far out op?

 

[darkbeaver]

Banks create empires. Look it up.

 

[ironsides]

Banks create empires. Look it up.

Yes they did and are still in charge.

 

[darkbeaver]

Yes they did and are still in charge.

yup.

Empires are always remote controlled.

London maybe Tel Aviv perhaps

Ottawa would be beyond suspicion I suppose

Washington would be a bad place for HQ

No one would ever suspect the North Pole

It is not in my back shed either, never mind the micro wave dishes, they're ornamental bird feeders

I've had too much to smoke and I have to meet the Chinese delegation this evening

I have to hide the chickens

Israel always makes the news