Charles Manson is Dead - for real this time

Danbones

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Keeping people like him alive is fine. Many doctors studied him, his habits, how he interacted with others, what he ate, what he read or watched on television, etc. A living lab experiment. I hope that they learned something about "the crazy" by having him under glass.
 

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I know that no criminal justice system is perfect and that even under the standard of proof beyond reasonable doubt, wrongful convictions can occur. That said, I also acknowledge that wrongful convictions under that burden of proof are rare enough that I'd be willing to accept capital punishment for murder, arson, and maybe some other crimes.

One possible solution would be to allow capital punishment for such crimes while still allowing a judge full discretion to waive it in favour of life with hard labour. Most judges would probably opt for the lower punishment by default just so that they can sleep easy at night. However, the knowledge that a judge could impose capital punishment could serve as a deterrent even if judges habitually opt for the lower punishment.

The numbers probably look good till you are one of them.
Having been wrongly convicted and having cost the chief of police his job over it ( while STILL having to buy a pardon for something about to become legal to boot), I can tell you it can happen SO easily...

(from my link)
The study concludes that were all innocent people who were given death sentences to be cleared of their offences, the exoneration rate would rise from the actual rate of those released – 1.6% – to at least 4.1%. That is equivalent in the time frame of the study, 1973 to 2004, of about 340 prisoners – a much larger group than the 138 who were exonerated in the same period
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/doi/10.1073/pnas.1306417111

“This is a disturbing finding,” said Samuel Gross, a law professor at the University of Michigan law school who is the lead author of the research. “There are a large number of people who are sentenced to death, and despite our best efforts some of them have undoubtedly been executed.”

The study concludes chillingly that “the great majority of innocent defendants who are convicted of capital murder in the United States are neither executed nor exonerated. They are sentenced, or resentenced to prison for life, and then forgotten”.
 
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Well, prison can be compensated for when one is wrong
The death penalty ...not so much

US death row study: 4% of defendants sentenced to die are innocent

Deliberately conservative figure lays bare extent of possible miscarriages of justice suggesting that the innocence of more than 200 prisoners still in the system may never be recognized
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/28/death-penalty-study-4-percent-defendants-innocent


And 100% of the perpetrators victims are innocent.
 

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I just hope and pray they bury the bastard face down so there is no risk of him clawing his way out!
 

Curious Cdn

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I just hope and pray they bury the bastard face down so there is no risk of him clawing his way out!

They should cremate him, sell the dust off a few grains at a time (for charity) with instructions included on putting them at the bottom of your outhouse pit.
 

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Not always. I remember reading one study showing that most domestic violence is in fact reciprocal.

That's nice, but the thread is about a convicted killer who was proven to have directed the killing of seven people. Manson was convicted of first degree and conspiracy to commit murder. The seven were innocent. Sharon Tate was pregnant.

This had nothing to do with domestic violence.
 

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He was the supreme holiness of California Weird.

Yah, that;s what I said.


Of course he lives on and will persist until time wipes him away completely. That time will be consumed by inconcievably worse evil and murder, like a whole city with one bomb. A million people with one bomb but we will remember Charlie that good old boy eh.
 

Curious Cdn

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Yah, that;s what I said.


Of course he lives on and will persist until time wipes him away completely. That time will be consumed by inconcievably worse evil and murder, like a whole city with one bomb. A million people with one bomb but we will remember Charlie that good old boy eh.

That could happen tomorrow morning.
 

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Manson is basically a cautionary tale about habitual criminals attending graduate school in prison and being unleashed on an unsuspecting public.
 

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That's nice, but the thread is about a convicted killer who was proven to have directed the killing of seven people. Manson was convicted of first degree and conspiracy to commit murder. The seven were innocent. Sharon Tate was pregnant.

This had nothing to do with domestic violence.

Do your best to follow along with the conversation.
 

Curious Cdn

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Manson is basically a cautionary tale about habitual criminals attending graduate school in prison and being unleashed on an unsuspecting public.

The "insane psychopath" part should also be noted.

You can't cure that.
 

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That's nice, but the thread is about a convicted killer who was proven to have directed the killing of seven people. Manson was convicted of first degree and conspiracy to commit murder. The seven were innocent. Sharon Tate was pregnant.

This had nothing to do with domestic violence.

I was just talking in general terms. JLM's post appeared to be addressing a general topic too. But if we're talking about Manson specifically, you're right.
 

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There were plenty of opportunities to actually have him serve his sentences prior to the murders. He was not a choir boy. He should have been rotting in a jail somewhere on his countless robberies and car thefts. This is a lesson about judicial leniency more than anything else.

And RIH Chuck.