Catholic Discussion

[talloola]

Computers and the internet are wonderful things as tools of communication. Obviously I am in favour of them or I would not be writting this to you.

But like all things in life, we must be cautious to pur the internet in perspective with our real lives. It is not a substitute or equivalent for real phsycial relationships with other people.

Amongst those who literally never leave their homes because they are sitting at this machine all day and night, you will find people deeply afraid of honest human contact and intimacy.

With the exception of my husband and daughters/grandchildren, I could "plead' guilty to the above,
and I have to be aware constantly to make myself go out "into the world", if only to chat with
store workers, waitresses,etc. The other day, I was sitting by myself having a coffee, and an "old"
lady stopped and looked down at me, and said, "Are you alone?, 'yes", "do you mind if I join you,"
"by all means, sit down", I found out from our conversation that her husband is very ill, and she is
very lonely, we had a nice visit for awhile, then parted ways, very enjoyable indeed.
I do not "mix" though, and this computer is an enjoyable outlet for me, on and off during the day,
as it is just like a visit and a chat, and I have only been doing this for a short while, so it is a nice
addition to my day.

 

[talloola]

The computer is only the means of conveyance, just has a room with chairs set in a circle is a conveyance tool, or even a telephone. What comes from the heart and mind is no different than what comes out of a person at the podium. This is why the computer is not taken trivially by most. I think in most cases the site sets the mood one wishes to be in or expect to find. If you want a party, go to a party site, or a forums light discussion exchange or coffee room. It is similar to walking down a hall and entering the room you wish to enter. If you want a debate or exchange of ideas go to a forum where you can expect the extremes of bursts of humour and rapid messaging down to serious discussion.

Computers helped those who would not normally have an audience. Where once only prominent people or those of expertese received the ears of thousands, anyone can now. We can learn from the marvelous diverse range of intelligent ideas,suggestions and thoughts from those who contribute to forums such has this. :happy11:


AndyF

Very well said, and so accurate, as, in a room full of people, I am very quiet, don't want the
attention to come my way,and could never stand in front of an audience and talk, but I do have thoughts to put out there, and this is a comfortable means for me to do that.

 

[talloola]

Here's what I got from your ten mile long post, AJ is above God and has dismissed the things God calls him to do, like being part of the Church for example. Aj knows more about God than the Church, The priests and the saints..that's about my take of what you wrote here AJ>

That was mean spirited.

 

[m_levesque]

That was mean spirited.

I don't agree,necessarily. AJ has set himself above the very Bible he preaches to us. He claims he knows more than anyone else about God, so much that he does not even require fellowship in the Church anymore. He is above the Church, because he and he alone is adult enough to not need instruction anymore. Hell, even the Pope goes to Mass, but he is not as perfect a Christian as AJ, apparently.

 

[sanctus]

With the exception of my husband and daughters/grandchildren, I could "plead' guilty to the above,
and I have to be aware constantly to make myself go out "into the world", if only to chat with
store workers, waitresses,etc. The other day, I was sitting by myself having a coffee, and an "old"
lady stopped and looked down at me, and said, "Are you alone?, 'yes", "do you mind if I join you,"
"by all means, sit down", I found out from our conversation that her husband is very ill, and she is
very lonely, we had a nice visit for awhile, then parted ways, very enjoyable indeed.
I do not "mix" though, and this computer is an enjoyable outlet for me, on and off during the day,
as it is just like a visit and a chat, and I have only been doing this for a short while, so it is a nice
addition to my day.

The computer is my outlet away from the real world too. It fosters an away-ness that I like.
The one mistake I feel I made on this forum was to identify my vocation. I think that has me now pegged into the same world I physically live in. Obviously the damage is done now

But to your point, I am not normally a "shy" person, and have been known to strike up conversations with total strangers on a whim. Often it is amazing what they will tell you!

 

[talloola]

I don't agree,necessarily. AJ has set himself above the very Bible he preaches to us. He claims he knows more than anyone else about God, so much that he does not even require fellowship in the Church anymore. He is above the Church, because he and he alone is adult enough to not need instruction anymore. Hell, even the Pope goes to Mass, but he is not as perfect a Christian as AJ, apparently.

Maybe you are right, as I don't read all of the scripture/messages etc., but the little blurb I
answered just sounded a little mean, maybe could've been worded a little different.

 

[sanctus]

I fully understand what the bible says about assembling. (Attending church) That is if I were a babe in Christ. But I have matured in Christ and no longer think as a child but as an adult.
If there were more mature folks around, what need would there be for the "Church"? I would rather reflect who Christ is in me by my daily living, my behavior, my principles and compassion verses going to church every Sunday, Wednesdays, and anythime there is a function.
If I am to be the temple (Church) of the Holy Spirit, I must live it daily and not just on Sundays.

My friend, this is the most shocking thing I have yet to read from you! Since you worship the Bible, please indicate in it where it states a term of membership in the Church that expires upon you're reaching the state you are in now? Don't waste your time, it is not in any of the 73 books.

The Church is not only for the reception of the Sacraments, which you oddly enough ignore though it is also stated in the Bible you are to receive them. Our Lord, for example, clearly and totally states that unless you receive the Body and Blood of Christ, you will not be saved. That is not a grey area. That is a firm, absolute statement. The only place you can receive the Eucharist is from the hands of the priest at Mass.That is also Scriptural.

But beyond that, to distance yourself from the Body of Christ and suggest you are above the need for fellowship, instruction and communion is an appalling example of pride. So, in summation, you clearly DO NOT understand what the Bible teaches about assembling as the Church.

 

[sanctus]

Maybe you are right, as I don't read all of the scripture/messages etc., but the little blurb I
answered just sounded a little mean, maybe could've been worded a little different.

I agree, but I'm certain it was not meant as we read it? Was it Mary?

 

[sanctus]

So you are saying that you've stopped needing guidance and "churching" (whatever that is)? You've reached the pinnacle af man's achievements? You cannot become any better than you are?

WELL SAID!!!!!!!!

 

[talloola]

The computer is my outlet away from the real world too. It fosters an away-ness that I like.
The one mistake I feel I made on this forum was to identify my vocation. I think that has me now pegged into the same world I physically live in. Obviously the damage is done now

No mistake, you are consistant and true to yourself, and that earns respect, it seems most of
the others are fighting for position, as they aren't quite sure of themselves, but to make it most
interesting, you could join again "under" a different name, would be kind of tricky, but fun if you
could pull it off, and still write in as "sanctus" as well.

But to your point, I am not normally a "shy" person, and have been known to strike up conversations with total strangers on a whim. Often it is amazing what they will tell you

Yes, there is a perfect time to "strike" up a conversation with a stranger, it can be very enjoyable,
usually in a store or mall, I am not shy if I'm not hemmed in, so a spontaneous conversation with
a stranger is perfect for me, nothing planned so that I don't get nervous or worried as to how it
will go, and if I go to a meeting or concert or play, i'm in the back row, closest to the door, and
far away so that noone will ask me anything. lol, but true.

 

[mapleleafgirl]

No mistake, you are consistant and true to yourself, and that earns respect, it seems most of
the others are fighting for position, as they aren't quite sure of themselves, but to make it most
interesting, you could join again "under" a different name, would be kind of tricky, but fun if you
could pull it off, and still write in as "sanctus" as well.

that would be funny. i think wed only know who he was anyway. but youre right, no matter what anyone thinks of him, he is consistent.

 

[mapleleafgirl]

I present Christ as the direct path to the Father. From point "A" to point "B" without no middle man, but through Jesus the High Priest.
If in your words, that puts me above the "Church" as per Sanctus, that so be it.

okay, really confused here. if god made the church, like they say, how can you be above something that god made? i mean, are you like saying the pope is wrong?are you more advanced than the frickin' pope????

 

[marygaspe]

That was mean spirited.

I'm sorry. I certainly did not mean it to read that way. I was just somewhat taken aback at his suggestion of being so advanced above and beyond everybody else.

 

[look3467]

I'd like to point out that pride is a cardinal sin.>>>Gilbert

MY, my Gilbert, you do believe at least in the Catholic definition of a cardnal sin?

And you had me to believe that you didn't believe in God?

Deep down in your heart (Not pump) psyche, you do have a spot for God!

May God enrich you with allot more understanding!

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

I'm sorry. I certainly did not mean it to read that way. I was just somewhat taken aback at his suggestion of being so advanced above and beyond everybody else.

Mary, that sort of response was understood! I held and hold no animosity towards you.

And truly, your apology is accepted.

I have knowledge of things that you don’t understand. Yet! So responses like that are taken graciously.

All of you are being exposed to little bits of information that one day will click as the Holy Spirit gives you understanding.
So all responses are taken graciously. Gilbert.


You will remember me when that happens.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

okay, really confused here. if god made the church, like they say, how can you be above something that god made? i mean, are you like saying the pope is wrong?are you more advanced than the frickin' pope????

First, let the Pope be the Pope, the Church the Church.

Second: Jesus is the High Priest and the Captain of your salvation. To Him you owe your soul for He paid for it with His blood.

And third: Continue going to church and particpating at wherever you feel called to attend.

God, if so desires will prompt you to do make changes in your life to meet His wishes.

All for good.

I am not above "the Church" but am the church. My Lord Jesus resides in my heart of which is the temple (Church) of the Holy Spirit.
1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Col 1:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

His body is the church. What does that church consist of? Believers. Believers are what make up the body of Christ which is the church.

Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

That is the church. Not a building or an organization.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[gopher]

Yes, He did establishment a priesthood. But that was a priesthood comprised of the entire congregation/nation/people/ and was not restricted by gender as per I Peter 2:9.

 

[china]

Is "I" a Spiritual Entity

When we talk of a spiritual entity, we mean by that something which is not within the field of the mind, obviously. Now, is the 'I' such a spiritual entity? If it is a spiritual entity, it must be beyond all time; therefore it cannot be reborn or continued. Thought cannot think about it because thought comes within the measure of time, thought is from yesterday, thought is a continuous movement, the response of the past; so thought is essentially a product of time. If thought can think about the 'I', then it is part of time; therefore, that 'I' is not free of time, therefore it is not spiritual - which is obvious. So, the 'I', the 'you' is only a process of thought; and you want to know whether that process of thought, continuing apart from the physical body, is born again, is reincarnated in a physical form. Now go a little further. That which continues - can it ever discover the real, which is beyond time and measurement. That 'I', that entity which is a thought-process - can it ever be new? If it cannot, then there must be an ending to thought. Is not anything that continues inherently destructive? That which has continuity can never renew itself. As long as thought continues through memory, through desire, through experience, it can never renew itself; therefore, that which is continued cannot know the real. You may be reborn a thousand times, but you can never know the real, for only that which dies, that which comes to an end, can renew itself.
I,m "dying" to hear your comments.

 

[talloola]

MY, my Gilbert, you do believe at least in the Catholic definition of a cardnal sin?

And you had me to believe that you didn't believe in God?

Deep down in your heart (Not pump) psyche, you do have a spot for God!

May God enrich you with allot more understanding!

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

No he doesn't

 

[sanctus]

Mary, that sort of response was understood! I held and hold no animosity towards you.

And truly, your apology is accepted.

I have knowledge of things that you don’t understand. Yet! So responses like that are taken graciously.

All of you are being exposed to little bits of information that one day will click as the Holy Spirit gives you understanding.
So all responses are taken graciously. Gilbert.


You will remember me when that happens.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

I very much resent your implication that you are somehow more spiritually advanced than me, or anyone else on the planet. I cannot imagine why you do not see this for the arrogant and prideful stance it is.You do not make your case, and in fact bring discredit to God with such kinds of statements.