Catholic Discussion

[mapleleafgirl]

so is this really true? why dosent the world know about this event?

 

[mapleleafgirl]

Here's what I got from your ten mile long post, AJ is above God and has dismissed the things God calls him to do, like being part of the Church for example. Aj knows more about God than the Church, The priests and the saints..that's about my take of what you wrote here AJ>

thats exactly what i got from reading his long post. i think that is why i chose the catholic church to join cos people like aj freak me out cos they think they just have to read a bible and thats it

 

[fatbasturd]

Who am I ? Where do I come from? Where am I going? ...I am the past, i am the present ,i am the future.
I come from the spirit and shall return to the spirit.

 

[mapleleafgirl]

Who am I ? Where do I come from? Where am I going? ...I am the past, i am the present ,i am the future.
I come from the spirit and shall return to the spirit.

what spirit? the holy spirit?

 

[fatbasturd]

What ever you need it to be for you.

 

[mapleleafgirl]

What ever you need it to be for you.

but you wrote it, so what does it mean to you????

 

[fatbasturd]

It means that i am a much happier man as an old man....then i was as a young man. It means that i have found my way, to where he wants me to be, it means i once was lost but now i have been found....but you don't want that do you?
You want who he is.... what he is , on that note i will not be much help to you...as he will never be the same for you as he is for me or to and for anyone else.
Spirituality is a personal quest...it doesn't matter what it means to me.

 

[selfactivated]

It means that i am a much happier man as an old man....then i was as a young man. It means that i have found my way, to where he wants me to be, it means i once was lost but now i have been found....but you don't want that do you?
You want who he is.... what he is , on that note i will not be much help to you...as he will never be the same for you as he is for me or to and for anyone else.
Spirituality is a personal quest...it doesn't matter what it means to me.

very nice. And Maple? great questions

 

[look3467]

Here's what I got from your ten mile long post, AJ is above God and has dismissed the things God calls him to do, like being part of the Church for example. Aj knows more about God than the Church, The priests and the saints..that's about my take of what you wrote here AJ>

You are declaring to me what you think God wants me to do? And I don’t meet those your expectations, than what am I? Not creditable? And you are?

Mary and Maple, please understand that I have been where you are now, but you have not understood where I am now.

Being part of a church, you mean: the Catholic Church? So if I’m not, than am I condemned by you? You did call me heretic once, remember?

But you know, I see you both as souls whom Christ loves! And if Christ loves you, than I do too.

The more I confess Christ as my Savior, the more I seem to get flak from you. It seems that Christ should be the center of both our thoughts?

But, like I said, I understand your position, and hold no blame to you.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[gopher]

The word ''church'' comes from the Greek word 'eklesia' which merely means a gathering of people. As Jesus said, "any time two or more are gathered in My name, there I am in the midst of thee''. This means all you need is 2 or 3 people to make up a church. You do not need any form of institution to make one up, contrary to traditional Christian teaching.

 

[L Gilbert]

Mary and Maple, please understand that I have been where you are now, but you have not understood where I am now.

Yeah. You aren't very good at explaining things.

Being part of a church, you mean: the Catholic Church? So if I’m not, than am I condemned by you? You did call me heretic once, remember?

Naw. That woulda been me after you claimed to be able to show people to your god.

But you know, I see you both as souls whom Christ loves! And if Christ loves you, than I do too.

The more I confess Christ as my Savior, the more I seem to get flak from you. It seems that Christ should be the center of both our thoughts?

But, like I said, I understand your position, and hold no blame to you.

Well, judging people wouldn't be up to you anyway, now, would it?

 

[sanctus]

You are declaring to me what you think God wants me to do? And I don’t meet those your expectations, than what am I? Not creditable? And you are?

Mary and Maple, please understand that I have been where you are now, but you have not understood where I am now.

Being part of a church, you mean: the Catholic Church? So if I’m not, than am I condemned by you? You did call me heretic once, remember?

But you know, I see you both as souls whom Christ loves! And if Christ loves you, than I do too.

The more I confess Christ as my Savior, the more I seem to get flak from you. It seems that Christ should be the center of both our thoughts?

But, like I said, I understand your position, and hold no blame to you.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

I think, if I may jump in, that what they are stating has some basis of reality to it. Though you continue to throw out the name of Christ, you do so in a way which strongly suggests you hold the only key to understanding Him. Statements claiming that you know where people "are", because you have "been there" implies an assumed arroagance that these people are somehow still "lost" in their ways and that you have risen above where they are now,

In this, and other threads, you offer long explanations on matters which often are filled with "I" and "ME" as the beginning of your statements.

Even if not the Church, you must know full well that the Bible clearly indicates that the Christian is to be in "church"(fellowship) with the Body of Christ. One of the reasons for this is to avoid false doctrine and pride, as one of the roles of the Church is to guard and correct false doctrines individuals may arrive at.

When you set yourself as above the Church, or members of the Church, it is as a rogue believer whose sole purpose is to contradict official doctrines based on the false assumption that the self is capable of rising above the Church which Jesus Himself created.

 

[sanctus]

so is this really true? why dosent the world know about this event?

Yes, it is true, and yes the world already knows about it;-)

 

[AndyF]

westmanguy:

Where would we find people who are sinless?

Christ came to earth to save us and to establish the true Church. He chose sinners to administer to it because there were/is no one that was sinless. It is possible to be sinless, but while we wait for that person we need to pick the best of the crop and most virtuous for the job.

He established the Church and gave the keys to sinning Peter, who he foresaw would deny him 3 times. The other apostles had their days and Satan wars of their own while in their missionary work. He enlisted sinning St. Paul who asked God to remove the remaining habitual sins he was caught up in, only to receive his answer that God thought the graces he had to fend them off were sufficient. He didn't give his job notice because of that.

But that is not to say the Church isn't working at it's problems and your complaint does have validity and bases in truth. It has made inroads into fixing the problems and is now in cooperation in job screening processes and actively taking a part with civil authorities. It will take a few more years, and then you will be glad and have a nice clean Church to return to for weekly services finally. You don't have long to wait.

AndyF

 

[sanctus]

The word ''church'' comes from the Greek word 'eklesia' which merely means a gathering of people. As Jesus said, "any time two or more are gathered in My name, there I am in the midst of thee''. This means all you need is 2 or 3 people to make up a church. You do not need any form of institution to make one up, contrary to traditional Christian teaching.

Yes...and no. In this passage, Jesus was not speaking of a Church, but of gathering in prayer with the brethren. However, it is too simplistic to ignore the organized Church He did found, for in doing so you ignore other Scripture references which clearly indicate that Christ set up a priesthood to oversee the Church and to administer the Sacraments.Further, the NT speaks of gathering as a "church" to share the fellowship, heard the Word and to receive Communion(Eucharist)

 

[look3467]

Yeah. You aren't very good at explaining things. Yes, your right Gilbert! I am somewhat handicapped in that area. I try my best though and that's all I can do.
I love to share Jesus as He gives me joy, and would share that joy with others willingly.

Naw. That woulda been me after you claimed to be able to show people to your god.

No, I am glad to admit that you a non-believer have not condemned me as a believer or called me a heretic.

Well, judging people wouldn't be up to you anyway, now, would it?

No, your right, it is not up to me to make any judgments on any body's soul based on religious dogma.
Now based on Jesus' love yes. I can make that judgment in that there is no judgment to speak of in the mind of Christ.
He came to save that which was lost. And that includes every soul that ever existed, caveman and all, and all who have yet to break the womb.
You included my brother.

If after all that, what is there left for me to condemn? Just bad behavior but not a soul.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

I think, if I may jump in, that what they are stating has some basis of reality to it. Though you continue to throw out the name of Christ, you do so in a way which strongly suggests you hold the only key to understanding Him. Statements claiming that you know where people "are", because you have "been there" implies an assumed arroagance that these people are somehow still "lost" in their ways and that you have risen above where they are now,

You may jump in anythime you feel led to, brother Sanctus. I know the way that God worked to save mankind and understand it as such. Many have no clue to that, in that if they don't study the bible to seek to honor God, verses seeking loop holes to justify their own lusts, will not understand of what I speak of.

In this, and other threads, you offer long explanations on matters which often are filled with "I" and "ME" as the beginning of your statements.
My long explanations are well grounded on what the bible speaks of. I could backup all my assertions with scripture, but many here have reservations about the credability of and in the bible.
No wonder why there is lack of understanding.
The reasons "I" speak the way I do is because I am drawing from my heart felt knowledge and wanting to share Christ. Gilbert is right in that I am lacking in eloquent speech, yet I make it up with heart.
Have you noticed that my posts have no condemnation of any body's beliefs?
But there are many here that have something to say about my beliefs.

Now which is demonstrating the the greater compassion? The accuser or the accuse e?
Am I not being tolerant of all beliefs?

Even if not the Church, you must know full well that the Bible clearly indicates that the Christian is to be in "church"(fellowship) with the Body of Christ. One of the reasons for this is to avoid false doctrine and pride, as one of the roles of the Church is to guard and correct false doctrines individuals may arrive at.

I fully understand what the bible says about assembling. (Attending church) That is if I were a babe in Christ. But I have matured in Christ and no longer think as a child but as an adult.
If there were more mature folks around, what need would there be for the "Church"? I would rather reflect who Christ is in me by my daily living, my behavior, my principles and compassion verses going to church every Sunday, Wednesdays, and anythime there is a function.
If I am to be the temple (Church) of the Holy Spirit, I must live it daily and not just on Sundays.

When you set yourself as above the Church, or members of the Church, it is as a rogue believer whose sole purpose is to contradict official doctrines based on the false assumption that the self is capable of rising above the Church which Jesus Himself created.

I present Christ as the direct path to the Father. From point "A" to point "B" without no middle man, but through Jesus the High Priest.
If in your words, that puts me above the "Church" as per Sanctus, that so be it.

Any one of the following verses will point anyone to Christ:
1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
"hath the witness in himself:?"

1Jo 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
"overcometh the world"?

1Jo 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
"is born of God"?

1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
"shall not be confounded"?

Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
"not be ashamed"?

Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
"confession is made unto salvation"?

Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
"his (my)faith is counted for righteousness"?.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
"to every one that believeth"?

Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
"the works that I do shall he do also"?

Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
"hath everlasting life"?

Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
"is not condemned"?

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
"that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life"?

What "church" will grant me all that? The church is useless in saving people unless the church leads people to the saving knowledge of Christ and in which Jesus is the one who saves them.

Jesus can touch the heart of any individual regardless of that individuals beliefs! Be it a church goer or a non-believer.

It is up to us to demonstrate Jesus in our daily living, our actions and our attitudes.

If we are not able to do that, than we are still babes in need of a nursery for guidance and churching.
Jesus is my foundation on which I stand, firmly planted and unmovable. He is "the Rock"of my salvation in whom I trust.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[L Gilbert]

I am somewhat handicapped in that area. I try my best though and that's all I can do.
I love to share Jesus as He gives me joy, and would share that joy with others willingly.

So you would have everyone else experience yours and not their own. I see.

No, I am glad to admit that you a non-believer have not condemned me as a believer or called me a heretic.

But i did mention that the bible says that Jesus said,"No-one comes to the Father, but by me". Yet there you were plain as day saying that you could bring people to your god, as well. So I did indeed call you on it.
Personally, I would think it's a waste of time trying to bring people to any kind of revelation or whatever, simply because I don't have the right to tell people what to believe in, nor do I think there's any such things as gods to believe in in the first place. What people believe is up to them.

No, your right, it is not up to me to make any judgments on any body's soul based on religious dogma.
Now based on Jesus' love yes. I can make that judgment in that there is no judgment to speak of in the mind of Christ.
He came to save that which was lost. And that includes every soul that ever existed, caveman and all, and all who have yet to break the womb.
You included my brother.

If after all that, what is there left for me to condemn? Just bad behavior but not a soul.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[L Gilbert]

When I was around six years old and being raised a Catholic, I used to pray the rosary too.
My oldest sister won a statue of the virgin Mary at a carnival and I had placed it on the dresser.

At that time my dad and I were staying at th house we vacated because we had moved out of town.
Well one night my dad and I were sleeping in the same room on bunk beds, when I set up the Virgin Mary on the dresser. I knelt down before her and started to pray the rosary with my dad looking on from his bunk.

That night my dad started to think that there was something not exactly correct in what he observed me doing and decided that he was going to look into it more seriously.

Note here that as far as I was concerned, I was doing it out of faith as like a little child.
I have always maintained that same faith till this very day.

I am no longer a Catholic or any of all the denominations but simply a Christian.

That child like faith has matured to adulthood to where wisdom of understanding has been granted me.
I now see all souls as beloved of God and am religious belief blind, color blind, race blind and see only the souls of mankind.

Love for my brethren being the one thing that motivates me to live justly and rightly and making my life worth living.

It is not the rosary, the church, the personal sacrifices, but faith in God that makes the difference.

Now, if praying the rosary keeps one close to God, than by all means use it. If the church keeps one close to God, than by all means go to church. If a priest helps one keep close to God than by all means enlist his help.
But as I have matured in my belief in God, I need none of these things for I have Jesus that is my all.
I am an independent soul totally dependent on Jesus for my every thing in life.

I therefore instruct others to that end as well.
When I pray, I go directly to Jesus. Speak to Him as I am speaking to all of you.
For He abides in my heart and there is where I can reach Him instantly.

I encourage all to continue in their perspective religions, but only to look at Jesus a little closer as their source of strength, companionship and comforter.

If there are to be any changes, Jesus will institute them in you as you grow towards maturity of faith.

I have been blessed my entire life, more than what I deserve, and can only praise my Lord Jesus for honoring this one vessel with His love.

In gratitude, honor and loyalty, I surrendered my life into His hands. The world and mankind can kill this body, but my soul shall never be touched, for Jesus holds it in His protection until the day I see Him face to face.

Than shall my salvation be complete.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

Ah, the great all-knowing, all-understanding wise Look. When you gonna replace the pope? Or the head of the Church of England?

 

[L Gilbert]

I present Christ as the direct path to the Father. From point "A" to point "B" without no middle man, but through Jesus the High Priest.
If in your words, that puts me above the "Church" as per Sanctus, that so be it.

No. That's not what was said. What was said was that YOU put YOU above the rest.

Jesus can touch the heart of any individual regardless of that individuals beliefs! Be it a church goer or a non-believer.

Nuts.

It is up to us to demonstrate Jesus in our daily living, our actions and our attitudes.

And who are you to say what anyone else should be up to? Are you Jeshua? Are you special?

I'd like to point out that pride is a cardinal sin.

If we are not able to do that, than we are still babes in need of a nursery for guidance and churching.

Jesus is my foundation on which I stand, firmly planted and unmovable. He is "the Rock"of my salvation in whom I trust.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

So you are saying that you've stopped needing guidance and "churching" (whatever that is)? You've reached the pinnacle af man's achievements? You cannot become any better than you are?