Better get around to reading that Bible of yours AJ. Demons and Angels do not have souls
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Better get around to reading that Bible of yours AJ. Demons and Angels do not have souls
Never. Who is to say the worth of your soul but God! Goodness is always Godly, even in non-believers.
Easy West, easy
People on the internet do not make the rules for how we are to behave, thanks be to God. The Church is perfectly free, in this country, to practice its religious beliefs. There are no Bills in Parliament ordering the Church(es) to abandon their faith rituals and/or beliefs
Better get around to reading that Bible of yours AJ. Demons and Angels do not have souls
father, whats the whole deal with aj anyway? where does he get his notions from????
Grant that my soul may hunger after Thee
Saint Bonaventure
Pierce, O most sweet Lord Jesus Christ, mine inmost soul with the most joyous and healthful wound of Thy love, with true, serene, and most holy apostolic charity, that my soul may ever languish and melt with love and longing for Thee, that it may yearn for Thee and faint for Thy courts, and long to be dissolved and to be with Thee.
Grant that my soul may hunger after Thee, the bread of angels, the refreshment of holy souls, our daily and supersubstantial bread, having all sweetness and savor and every delight of taste.
Let my heart ever hunger after and feed upon Thee, whom the angels desire to look upon, and may my inmost soul be filled with the sweetness of Thy savor.
May it ever thirst after Thee, the fountain of life, the fountain of wisdom and knowledge, the fountain of eternal light, the torrent of pleasure, the richness of the house of God.
May it ever compass Thee, seek Thee, find Thee, run to Thee, attain to Thee, meditate upon Thee, speak of Thee, and do all things to the praise and glory of Thy Holy name, with humility and discretion, with love and delight, with readiness and affection, and with perseverance unto the end.
Be Thou alone ever my hope and my whole confidence, my riches, my delight, my pleasure and my joy; my rest and tranquility; my peace, my sweetness and my fragrance; my sweet savor, my food and refreshment; my refuge and my help; my wisdom, my portion, my possession and my treasure, in whom may my mind and my heart be ever fixed and firm, and rooted immovably. Amen.
Saint Bonaventure
Pierce, O most sweet Lord Jesus Christ, mine inmost soul with the most joyous and healthful wound of Thy love, with true, serene, and most holy apostolic charity, that my soul may ever languish and melt with love and longing for Thee, that it may yearn for Thee and faint for Thy courts, and long to be dissolved and to be with Thee.
Grant that my soul may hunger after Thee, the bread of angels, the refreshment of holy souls, our daily and supersubstantial bread, having all sweetness and savor and every delight of taste.
Let my heart ever hunger after and feed upon Thee, whom the angels desire to look upon, and may my inmost soul be filled with the sweetness of Thy savor.
May it ever thirst after Thee, the fountain of life, the fountain of wisdom and knowledge, the fountain of eternal light, the torrent of pleasure, the richness of the house of God.
May it ever compass Thee, seek Thee, find Thee, run to Thee, attain to Thee, meditate upon Thee, speak of Thee, and do all things to the praise and glory of Thy Holy name, with humility and discretion, with love and delight, with readiness and affection, and with perseverance unto the end.
Be Thou alone ever my hope and my whole confidence, my riches, my delight, my pleasure and my joy; my rest and tranquility; my peace, my sweetness and my fragrance; my sweet savor, my food and refreshment; my refuge and my help; my wisdom, my portion, my possession and my treasure, in whom may my mind and my heart be ever fixed and firm, and rooted immovably. Amen.
Matthew 23:5-12 (King James Version)
5"Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them 'Rabbi.'
8"But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. 9And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10Nor are you to be called 'teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ. 11The greatest among you will be your servant. 12For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
Catholicism irks me to no end in it's hypocritical ignorance.
this is so cool. my only thing is i hate the "thees and thous" language though i suppose that was the language they used in those days.
That's not really worthy of a response.
Well Sactus what do you say in regards to Matthew 23, I know a few Catholic Prists that won't have themselves called father. I also know some that argue if that were the case then we then shouldn't call Christian college profs instructors. (although I dont' see how two wrongs can make a right)
To this I say well that's right, you shouldn't under the connotation of the lord give someone full authority and deem them teacher or instructor on behalf of the lord, but instead you call them professors or facilitators.
I think the whole point of the scripture is to ensure that people do not put too much faith or onus in the priest himself, but instead only truley rever God. Which is why, by the way, I also have a problem with the term reverend and I know MANY ministers who do not like to be called Reverend either. instead they prefer minister.
Moreover, the other thing that it forces us to do, is to use the Bible as the authoritative reference, much like it says in many other scriptures.
Not allowing mere men to be the authority, takes away a lot of the power which can come in being the "instructor" or "father". So like I said this way people are more likely to rely on the Bible.
Not allowing mere men to be the authority, takes away a lot of the power which can come in being the "instructor" or "father". So like I said this way people are more likely to rely on the Bible.
I very much doubt that there are Catholic priests who are not in favour of their appropriate and earned titles, such as "Father" . The priesthood was established by Christ, and it is He who has given His priesthood the religious authroity it has. This is one of the cardinal teachings of the Church. It is also one of the 7 Sacramental rites of the Church, training and ordaining men for the priesthood.
Okay so you support it, then how do you refute Matthew 23?
BTW, I DO know a few (3 to be exacte) that do not like the title due to Matt 23, I think they prefer pastor (which is what my minister prefers as well) (FYI there are also married RC priests)
Granted I have spoken to far more priests who insist on being called father. (which I have never done)
"The priesthood was established by Christ" Of COURSE it was! but that does not directly mean roman catholic priesthood.
"it is He who has given His priesthood the religious authroity" - I would love to know where it says in the bible that priests/ministers/pastors have authority over the religion!! That is a scary statement.
What it says is listen to your ministor do as he says, but not necessarily what he does. The bible also tells us to be causious of who we listen to.
But never mind all that I would really like to hear your refute to Matthew 23
BTW, I DO know a few (3 to be exacte) that do not like the title due to Matt 23, I think they prefer pastor (which is what my minister prefers as well) (FYI there are also married RC priests)
Granted I have spoken to far more priests who insist on being called father. (which I have never done)
"The priesthood was established by Christ" Of COURSE it was! but that does not directly mean roman catholic priesthood.
"it is He who has given His priesthood the religious authroity" - I would love to know where it says in the bible that priests/ministers/pastors have authority over the religion!! That is a scary statement.
What it says is listen to your ministor do as he says, but not necessarily what he does. The bible also tells us to be causious of who we listen to.
But never mind all that I would really like to hear your refute to Matthew 23
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Oh my sanctus, aren't you lucky that you have Graeme here to educate you on the fact that RC priests can be married.
I took Matthew 23 to mean that you should not worship the head of your church, not that you should not use a certain word. Many cults are based, not on worship of Christ or God, but on worship and adoration of the man leading them. But, that could just be my take on it. If giving someone a title of authority over you is wrong, then how is pastor any better than father, teacher, or rabbi, except in that it is new language, not necessarily present in biblical time to be included in this list?
Okay...soooo....I know, I know, trouble maker coming again...but here you folks are having a debate about what certain sections of the bible say...thus proving once again that the bible is open to interpretation. So, again, I ask, what makes some feel that their interpretation is the correct interpretation?
The same thing that makes you think you're right in saying they're wrong. lol. Everyone has opinions, and almost everyone thinks a lot of their own particular view.
But....many people who are quoting the bible are saying that it is the word of god, it is infalliable, it is true...it is fact. So, what I am saying is, and have been saying all along is that the book is open to interpretation, and when someone says that things are the way they have always been and will never change, I have to question why that would be so? What I feel with so much of this is that, indeed, there is a serious flaw here. I believe that many in the church feel that homosexuality is a choice, and I have been told that that is the word of god...of jesus. But, if you actually talk to someone who is gay, they will tell you it was not a choice for them. Well, if god and jesus are all knowing....what happened here?
The message is pretty simple really. But, as like humans, we make everything difficult.
From the bible says I!
I read in the bible where the Father was going to send a Savior that was to be "the" Savior of the world.
That Savior was to become a living sacrifice for the sins of the world.
That who so ever believeth in Him "shall" be saved.
I don't see where I have to believe in anything else to be saved.
So, I say, there must be something to that statement that is very profitable to me. I mean, salvation is what I seek after and finding out that my efforts (works) to save myself are futile: then by who's works can I be saved?
I read that Jesus' works are what saves me.
Now, all the churches in the world cannot save a single soul, but Jesus can.
So, I place my bet on Jesus, sort of speak, and in Him I rest.
Now, how should I practice my beliefs? I could join one organization as opposed to another, or start my own religion, or simply practice in the oldest religious organization there is.
Thats all fine! The question is though, if Christ is your Savior, and if He is, what else do you need?
You need but to love God with all your heart, mind and soul, and love your neighbor as your self.
If you do that, you will have complied with all of Gods Ten Commandments, therefore qualifying you to be a child of God.
It's all there in the bible, read it, study it and meditate on it with prayer. You will see that the Holy Spirit is your teacher.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
From the bible says I!
I read in the bible where the Father was going to send a Savior that was to be "the" Savior of the world.
That Savior was to become a living sacrifice for the sins of the world.
That who so ever believeth in Him "shall" be saved.
I don't see where I have to believe in anything else to be saved.
So, I say, there must be something to that statement that is very profitable to me. I mean, salvation is what I seek after and finding out that my efforts (works) to save myself are futile: then by who's works can I be saved?
I read that Jesus' works are what saves me.
Now, all the churches in the world cannot save a single soul, but Jesus can.
So, I place my bet on Jesus, sort of speak, and in Him I rest.
Now, how should I practice my beliefs? I could join one organization as opposed to another, or start my own religion, or simply practice in the oldest religious organization there is.
Thats all fine! The question is though, if Christ is your Savior, and if He is, what else do you need?
You need but to love God with all your heart, mind and soul, and love your neighbor as your self.
If you do that, you will have complied with all of Gods Ten Commandments, therefore qualifying you to be a child of God.
It's all there in the bible, read it, study it and meditate on it with prayer. You will see that the Holy Spirit is your teacher.
Peace>>>AJ:love9: