Capitalism can not eradicate poverty

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"Twenty million children sleep in the streets tonight. Not one of them lives in Cuba."


From Havana



Guess when you're that young, you can't really sleep due to all the perverts and creeps, so yeah, I guess you're right - they weren't actually sleeping on the streets
 

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Guess when you're that young, you can't really sleep due to all the perverts and creeps, so yeah, I guess you're right - they weren't actually sleeping on the streets
1. there's definitely poverty that exists in Cuba. that kind of happens when you go against the richest nation on earth which stole all its wealth from third world countries, and continues to exploit the third world as well its domestic labour - and proceeds to implement a harsh economic blockade.

2. that picture, if it even is from Havana, who knows what the **** it's from, shows children on a porch or doorstep, literally where they're probably receiving shelter. lmao. good work genius.
 

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1. there's definitely poverty that exists in Cuba. that kind of happens when you go against the richest nation on earth which stole all its wealth from third world countries, and continues to exploit the third world as well its domestic labour - and proceeds to implement a harsh economic blockade.

2. that picture, if it even is from Havana, who knows what the **** it's from, shows children on a porch or doorstep, literally where they're probably receiving shelter. lmao. good work genius.
You are fighting a losing battle .
 

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with poverty rampant across the world with no signs of improvement we can easily deduce capitalism does not work. then again, that would be assuming the intention of capitalism is to eradicate poverty (many capitalists claim this).
No signs of improvement? You are blinded to anything that does not support your ridiculous ideology.

China isn't communist in any way.
Not any more anyways.

The communists in North Vietnam were successful in defeating America and the american-backed south Vietnam government. You know what kind of feat that is for a tiny country to defeat an imperialist power that dropped so many bombs people are still being killed by unexploded ones to this day? The key to that success was the amount of support the North had from the Vietnamese people.
So what kind of country is Viet Nam now that there is no American influence? Instead of becoming communist, it became rife with corruption, poverty, isolation, etc. just like it was before and then since early this century, it decided to wake up and join the rest of the planet. Just like China finally decided.

Cuba has had amazing success when you consider their circumstances, it's quite remarkable.



"Twenty million children sleep in the streets tonight. Not one of them lives in Cuba."
Perhaps, the average Cuban wage is about $20 per month while Castro lolls about with somewhere between $500,000,000 and $1 billion. Yeah that is communism for you.

This is the thing, Capitalism is not responsible for us living relatively comfortably here in the developed countries over which our bourgeoisie masters rule. It was the protesting and fighting by socialists, communists, anarchists, labour unions etc, which forced better working conditions and other reforms in order to improve our standard of living. We would most certainly still be working 15-17 hour days for peanuts had better conditions not been fought for in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
I admit that helped but the people helping that reform along paid little attention to ideologies of politics. They were fighting for better conditions and whatnot regardless of politics.

Your own source points to corporations not paying enough and ways they try to pay even less in taxes. and it's only talking about income taxes.
Surprised? Business is in business for profits. People working for businesses work in them to better their lifestyles. People working under communism only work to have enough to survive.

As someone from the U.K pointed out and no doubt applies to America as well
"The poorest 10% are forced to spend all of their income to live. So VAT would make up a larger portion of their tax. The richest 10% don't have to spend all their money and can put into avoidance schemes and tax free savings"
And in your communism; the bottom 95% IS the poorest.
 

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1. there's definitely poverty that exists in Cuba. that kind of happens when you go against the richest nation on earth which stole all its wealth from third world countries, and continues to exploit the third world as well its domestic labour - and proceeds to implement a harsh economic blockade.

2. that picture, if it even is from Havana, who knows what the **** it's from, shows children on a porch or doorstep, literally where they're probably receiving shelter. lmao. good work genius.

I wish to take this opportunity to offer a complete and utter retraction of any and all comments that I may have made, implied or insinuated that you, HarperCons, are severely retarded.

The implication (if interpreted as such) was entirely unfair and in no way reflects reality in any way, shape or form.

I offer my sincerest apologies to all those that have a mental handicap, especially those with a severe condition, in comparing you (as a population) to the aforementioned poster, HarperCons who clearly is at the lowest possible end of the intellectual spectrum.

Any such implication was entirely uncalled for


Communism a good thing? Wow. Just wow.

He/she can justify their position by virtue of wearing a Che T-shirt and beret.
 

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Capitalism may not be able to eradicate poverty but meaningful reforms can make it a lot better as these people can attest to:


http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/11/29/1454226/-Some-millionaires-are-fighting-the-good-fight



Recently I interviewed Morris Pearl. Who is Morris Pearl? He’s the former managing director of BlackRock Inc. and chairman of the board of The Patriotic Millionaires. Previously, Pearl was a managing director at BlackRock, one of the largest investment firms in the world. He worked on the Maiden Lane transactions and assessing the government’s potential losses from the bailouts of CitiBank and AIG. He also advised Her Majesty’s treasury on the bailout of Lloyds and RBS, as well as similar projects for the Central Bank of Ireland and the Bank of Greece. Prior to BlackRock, Pearl enjoyed a long tenure on Wall Street where he invented some of the securitization technology connecting America’s capital markets to consumers in need of credit. He is a CFA Charter Holder, a member of the CFA Institute and the New York Society of Securities Analysts.

I have been following and blogging about The Patriotic Millionaires for some time. They provided a great backstop to Mitt Romney's 47 percent moniker during the 2012 election. Who they are, what they stand for and how they intend to make a difference is very well stated.

The Patriotic Millionaires are a group of more than 200 Americans with annual incomes over $1 million and/or assets of more than $5 million who believe that the country’s current level of economic inequality is both dangerous and immoral. They recognize that while there are many causes of inequality, the current level of economic disparity is largely the result of a multi-decade effort by wealthy elites to enact legislation designed to enhance their personal wealth and their political power. This is done with little or no regard for the negative consequences such policies have on the vast majority of Americans. The Patriotic Millionaires are dedicated to reversing these policies and to ensuring that the legislative capture that led to their adoption comes to an end. To realize that goal, the Patriotic Millionaires focus on a set of issues that best illustrate the difference between legislation that serves the interests of the majority of citizens and that which enriches the few. These issues are taxes, wages and the democratic process. Members expressly support legislation that directly yields:

A fairer tax system that includes greater tax obligations for millionaires and major corporations who have benefitted the most from the nation’s resources;

Higher incomes, beginning with a minimum wage of at least $15 an hour, for wage earners, who are the foundation of our nation’s economy; and

Less political influence for those whose sole credential is the ability to pay for it.








more ....



It certainly is worth a try ....
The Patriotic Millionaires’ strategy relies primarily on public education. They seek to use their unique position to expose the ways privileged self-interests influence the country’s legislative process. They also highlight specific policies that best serve the interests of the majority and that can promptly reverse growing levels of economic disparity.
 

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Capitalism and Poverty are two entirely different things. Capitalism is a system, poverty is a section below a certain point on a scale.
 

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You are fighting a losing battle .
true, a losing battle like arguing with a wall is a losing battle. it's not registering anything you say and it has solely succeeded in wasting your own time.

Capitalism and Poverty are two entirely different things. Capitalism is a system, poverty is a section below a certain point on a scale.
nah capitalism can't exist without poverty. capitalism is the rule of the rich, and without a poor class for use as labour commodities, they can't exploit this labour to enrich themselves in the first place!
 

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true, a losing battle like arguing with a wall is a losing battle. it's not registering anything you say and it has solely succeeded in wasting your own time.


nah capitalism can't exist without poverty. capitalism is the rule of the rich, and without a poor class for use as labour commodities, they can't exploit this labour to enrich themselves in the first place!
This out dated ideology has been file 13nd for several decades. Maybe read some books that weren't written in the cold war age.
 

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Capitalism may not be able to eradicate poverty but meaningful reforms can make it a lot better as these people can attest to:


http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/11/29/1454226/-Some-millionaires-are-fighting-the-good-fight



Recently I interviewed Morris Pearl. Who is Morris Pearl? He’s the former managing director of BlackRock Inc. and chairman of the board of The Patriotic Millionaires. Previously, Pearl was a managing director at BlackRock, one of the largest investment firms in the world. He worked on the Maiden Lane transactions and assessing the government’s potential losses from the bailouts of CitiBank and AIG. He also advised Her Majesty’s treasury on the bailout of Lloyds and RBS, as well as similar projects for the Central Bank of Ireland and the Bank of Greece. Prior to BlackRock, Pearl enjoyed a long tenure on Wall Street where he invented some of the securitization technology connecting America’s capital markets to consumers in need of credit. He is a CFA Charter Holder, a member of the CFA Institute and the New York Society of Securities Analysts.

I have been following and blogging about The Patriotic Millionaires for some time. They provided a great backstop to Mitt Romney's 47 percent moniker during the 2012 election. Who they are, what they stand for and how they intend to make a difference is very well stated.

The Patriotic Millionaires are a group of more than 200 Americans with annual incomes over $1 million and/or assets of more than $5 million who believe that the country’s current level of economic inequality is both dangerous and immoral. They recognize that while there are many causes of inequality, the current level of economic disparity is largely the result of a multi-decade effort by wealthy elites to enact legislation designed to enhance their personal wealth and their political power. This is done with little or no regard for the negative consequences such policies have on the vast majority of Americans. The Patriotic Millionaires are dedicated to reversing these policies and to ensuring that the legislative capture that led to their adoption comes to an end. To realize that goal, the Patriotic Millionaires focus on a set of issues that best illustrate the difference between legislation that serves the interests of the majority of citizens and that which enriches the few. These issues are taxes, wages and the democratic process. Members expressly support legislation that directly yields:

A fairer tax system that includes greater tax obligations for millionaires and major corporations who have benefitted the most from the nation’s resources;

Higher incomes, beginning with a minimum wage of at least $15 an hour, for wage earners, who are the foundation of our nation’s economy; and

Less political influence for those whose sole credential is the ability to pay for it.








more ....



It certainly is worth a try ....
The Patriotic Millionaires’ strategy relies primarily on public education. They seek to use their unique position to expose the ways privileged self-interests influence the country’s legislative process. They also highlight specific policies that best serve the interests of the majority and that can promptly reverse growing levels of economic disparity.
Sorry reforms won't do anything about poverty of the world. Reforms of the capitalists only seek to keep enough of the population happy to not ignite a full revolution. We've seen reforms since the late 19th century and the early 20th century. This is how we got our 8 hour work day , fighting for it. It wasn't the capitalist system that gave us it.

This out dated ideology has been file 13nd for several decades. Maybe read some books that weren't written in the cold war age.
The rise of Communism in the 20th century was in response to the atrocities of Capitalism, so it's literally a newer ideology than Capitalism is. Not "out-dated" , if anything - capitalism is out-dated.
 

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Sorry reforms won't do anything about poverty of the world. Reforms of the capitalists only seek to keep enough of the population happy to not ignite a full revolution. We've seen reforms since the late 19th century and the early 20th century. This is how we got our 8 hour work day , fighting for it. It wasn't the capitalist system that gave us it.


The rise of Communism in the 20th century was in response to the atrocities of Capitalism, so it's literally a newer ideology than Capitalism is. Not "out-dated" , if anything - capitalism is out-dated.
It's old shyt. I feel like I'm back at the band shell at encanto park listening to tommy James and the Shondells with the protesters walking around acting like they have the answers to shyt. :).
 

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you probably masturbated to McCarthy's rhetoric, yea you lapped that garbage up good.

you're a true victim of the bourgeoisie propaganda. i don't think you ever learned about the real world. you were stuck watching mainstream news that is controlled and owned by bankers and politicians.
 

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you probably masturbated to McCarthy's rhetoric, yea you lapped that garbage up good.

you're a true victim of the bourgeoisie propaganda. i don't think you ever learned about the real world. you were stuck watching mainstream news that is controlled and owned by bankers and politicians.
Yeah that sounds about the same. Like voices from the past. Parroting obscure rhetoric and pretending they are your own ideas. Oh the McCarthy thing again ,,didn't they make some movies about that. I think Mr. Majestic with Jim Carey was about that wore out ole point in ancient history. Stop living in the past. Why don't you try and be original and hit upon something new and not hashed out a thousand times by wanna be hippies who still think they'll get more sex by being rebellious. LOL.
 

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Yeah that sounds about the same. Like voices from the past. Parroting obscure rhetoric and pretending they are your own ideas. Oh the McCarthy thing again ,,didn't they make some movies about that. I think Mr. Majestic with Jim Carey was about that wore out ole point in ancient history. Stop living in the past. Why don't you try and be original and hit upon something new and not hashed out a thousand times by wanna be hippies who still think they'll get more sex by being rebellious. LOL.
i like how anyone who gives a **** about wanting to live in a world which isn't stricken by poverty and not ruled over excessively wealthy sociopaths gets labelled a hippy.
 

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i like how anyone who gives a **** about wanting to live in a world which isn't stricken by poverty and not ruled over excessively wealthy sociopaths gets labelled a hippy.
We want the same thing but trial and error has been communism's exposure as a failure. I'm also not a fan of Robber Baron capitalism and corruption. Difference between you and I, is that I'm not sure how to make this world a better place. You think you do know.