Candidate for USA Congress says "Bush did 9-11"

[Kreskin]

Re: Candidate for USA Congress says "Bush did 9-11&quot

I know you guys like cut n pastes. It all sounds familiar, just different characters and freedom fighting motives than today. There is so much crap going on behind the scenes it's almost impossible to rule anything out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

According to Brian Glick, in War at Home, COINTELPRO used a broad array of methods, including:

1. "Infiltration: Agents and informers did not merely spy on political activists. Their main purpose was to discredit and disrupt. Their very presence served to undermine trust and scare off potential supporters. The FBI and police exploited this fear to smear genuine activists as agents." [3]

2. "Psychological Warfare From the Outside: The FBI and police used myriad other "dirty tricks" to undermine progressive movements. They planted false media stories and published bogus leaflets and other publications in the name of targeted groups. They forged correspondence, sent anonymous letters, and made anonymous telephone calls. They spread misinformation about meetings and events, set up pseudo movement groups run by government agents, and manipulated or strong-armed parents, employers, landlords, school officials and others to cause trouble for activists." [4]

3. "Harassment Through the Legal System: The FBI and police abused the legal system to harass dissidents and make them appear to be criminals. Officers of the law gave perjured testimony and presented fabricated evidence as a pretext for false arrests and wrongful imprisonment. They discriminatorily enforced tax laws and other government regulations and used conspicuous surveillance, 'investigative' interviews, and grand jury subpoenas in an effort to intimidate activists and silence their supporters."

4. "Extralegal Force and Violence: The FBI and police threatened, instigated, and themselves conducted break-ins, vandalism, assaults, and beatings. The object was to frighten dissidents and disrupt their movements. In the case of radical Black and Puerto Rican activists (and later Native Americans), these attacks—including political assassinations—were so extensive, vicious, and calculated that they can accurately be termed a form of official 'terrorism.'". [5]

The FBI also conducted "black bag jobs", warrantless surreptitious entries, against the targeted groups and their members.[6]

Supporters of the FBI argue that the Bureau was convinced that there was such a threat of domestic subversion posed by radical groups that extraordinary efforts were required to forestall violence and revolutionary insurgency. Hoover was willing to use false claims to attack his political enemies. In one memo he wrote: "Purpose of counterintelligence action is to disrupt the Black Panther Party and it is immaterial whether facts exist to substantiate the charge."

In 1969 the FBI special agent in San Francisco wrote Hoover that his investigation of the Black Panther Party revealed that in his city, at least, the Black nationalists were primarily feeding breakfast to children. Hoover fired back a memo implying the career ambitions of the agent were directly related to his supplying evidence to support Hoover's view that the BPP was "a violence prone organization seeking to overthrow the Government by revolutionary means".

In one particularly controversial incident, civil rights worker Viola Liuzzo was killed in 1965 by a shot from a car in which four Ku Klux Klansmen were riding; one of the Klansmen was an undercover COINTELPRO operative. Afterward, COINTELPRO spread false rumors that she was a member of the Communist Party and had abandoned her children in order to have sexual relationships with African Americans involved in the civil rights movement. [7]

 

[Logic 7]

Re: RE: Candidate for USA Congress says "Bush did 9-11&

statement by larry sylverstein who admit to have controlled demolish the building 7,

Because it was uninhabitable and structurally a danger.
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Doesnt matter, it is not the US officials story.

C'mon.

Look for yourself

http://www.fbi.gov/

Now show me where, oussama is wanted for 9-11.

Oh, sure. And the CIA created AIDS to kill black people.

You guys are very bad informed.

""This week's New Scientist reports that the FBI has yet to catch the perpetrators of the anthrax attacks. "Investigators are virtually certain of one thing, though: it was an inside job. The anthrax attacker is an American scientist - and worse, one from within the US's own biodefence establishment... If he wished to scale up US military action against Iraq, he almost succeeded - many in Washington tried hard to see Saddam Hussein's hand in the attacks. If he wished merely to make the US pour billions into biodefence, he did succeed."""


http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/comment/story/0,,648873,00.html


See my devil worshipper post.

No proof. Sorry.

Yes it is, the only real investigation on the wtc debri, supported by the fact that they fell at free fall speed, supported by police , firefighters reports, that reported explosion in the bottom of wtc, before it collapse

Gosh, a government agency not getting it exactly right. OMG! He's not right handed! That's proof positive.

If this was in a court of law, the judge would dismiss this "evidence" out of hand - once he stopped laughing.

He is left handed, the video was brought by us officials( which tells a lot of the credibility), and oussama took 40 pounds at lthe least.

 

[Toro]

RE: Candidate for USA Con

Have you ever stopped to think, Logic, why the total number of scientists who are purporting this silly nonsense can be counted on your fingers on one hand. And that's after you've lopped off a few?

Again, there are hundreds of scientists, albeit in the minority, who question global warming, and the Left questions the validity of their claims. Yet, when one or two scientists start talking about an internal explosion taking down the WTC, the Fringe Left takes it as the gospel truth.

Everything else is conjecture used to support a preconceived political agenda.

 

[Logic 7]

Re: RE: Candidate for USA Con

Have you ever stopped to think, Logic, why the total number of scientists who are purporting this silly nonsense can be counted on your fingers on one hand. And that's after you've lopped off a few?

Again, there are hundreds of scientists, albeit in the minority, who question global warming, and the Left questions the validity of their claims. Yet, when one or two scientists start talking about an internal explosion taking down the WTC, the Fringe Left takes it as the gospel truth.

Everything else is conjecture used to support a preconceived political agenda.

1 or 2?? incredibly naive you are.You should ask yourself why, those who support the officials 9-11 story, are governement contractors, or receive governement financial support.

Steven jones, who found Thermate(Thermate is the controlled demolition explosive thermite plus sulfur) in wtc debris, is the evidence that both wtc were brought down with explosives,supported by the fact that both world trade fell at free fall speed,which is impossible withouth explosives, since he was a faithful supporter of george w bush, you can't say he is anti-bush or anti-american.



Do you want me to bring all experts, police reports, firefighters witnesses, US officials,british officials, german officials, russian officials who believe the 9-11 was an inside job?


can you believe that when the anthrax event occured, every damn media everywher in the world were talking about it, speculating, alqueada was behind it, then the investigation concludes it was an inside job, then no media in the US talked about it anymore, it switched to how michael jakson was bad.

 

[Toro]

Re: RE: Candidate for USA Con

1 or 2?? incredibly naive you are.You should ask yourself why, those who support the officials 9-11 story, are governement contractors, or receive governement financial support.

Yeah, right Logic.

Steven jones, who found Thermate(Thermate is the controlled demolition explosive thermite plus sulfur) in wtc debris, is the evidence that both wtc were brought down with explosives,supported by the fact that both world trade fell at free fall speed,which is impossible withouth explosives, since he was a faithful supporter of george w bush, you can't say he is anti-bush or anti-american.

That is not "evidence".

And sorry, its not impossible.

Do you want me to bring all experts, police reports, firefighters witnesses, US officials,british officials, german officials, russian officials who believe the 9-11 was an inside job?

Bring the scientists. Not one or two. Bring lots.

I can bring people who say they've seen their cows being abducted by aliens, or people who've seen fairies.

 

[Logic 7]

RE: Candidate for USA Con

That is not "evidence".

And sorry, its not impossible.

Yes that is the best evidence ever got out from 9-11 so far, and yes it is impossible.

Bring the scientists. Not one or two. Bring lots.

I can bring people who say they've seen their cows being abducted by aliens, or people who've seen fairies.

Steven jones Physician found thermate in WTC Debris.

Van romero ('studies explosive materials and the effects of explosions on buildings, aircraft and other structures) reported that he had studied the videos of the WTC collapse and concluded that the towers were most likely destroyed by carefully placed demolition charge.

2 Danish demolition experts, which i can't remember the names.

Matthys levy, authors of demolitions books.

Mike Taylor of the National Association of Demolition Contractors in Doylestown, Pennsylvania. doesnt believe it was an inside job, but he firm that both tower were brought down with explosives.

 

[Toro]

Re: Candidate for USA Congress says "Bush did 9-11&quot

From the highly credible Popular Mechanics

To investigate 16 of the most prevalent claims made by conspiracy theorists, POPULAR MECHANICS assembled a team of nine researchers and reporters who, together with PM editors, consulted more than 70 professionals in fields that form the core content of this magazine, including aviation, engineering and the military.

http://ourworld.cs.com/mikegriffith1/refute.htm

THE WORLD TRADE CENTER
The collapse of both World Trade Center towers--and the smaller WTC 7 a few hours later--initially surprised even some experts. But subsequent studies have shown that the WTC's structural integrity was destroyed by intense fire as well as the severe damage inflicted by the planes. That explanation hasn't swayed conspiracy theorists, who contend that all three buildings were wired with explosives in advance and razed in a series of controlled demolitions.






Widespread Damage
CLAIM: The first hijacked plane crashed through the 94th to the 98th floors of the World Trade Center's 110-story North Tower; the second jet slammed into the 78th to the 84th floors of the 110-story South Tower. The impact and ensuing fires disrupted elevator service in both buildings. Plus, the lobbies of both buildings were visibly damaged before the towers collapsed. "There is NO WAY the impact of the jet caused such widespread damage 80 stories below," claims a posting on the San Diego Independent Media Center Web site (sandiego.indymedia.org). "It is OBVIOUS and irrefutable that OTHER EXPLOSIVES (... such as concussion bombs) HAD ALREADY BEEN DETONATED in the lower levels of tower one at the same time as the plane crash."

FACT: Following up on a May 2002 preliminary report by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), a major study will be released in spring 2005 by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), a branch of the U.S. Department of Commerce. NIST shared its initial findings with PM and made its lead researcher available to our team of reporters.

The NIST investigation revealed that plane debris sliced through the utility shafts at the North Tower's core, creating a conduit for burning jet fuel--and fiery destruction throughout the building. "It's very hard to document where the fuel went," says Forman Williams, a NIST adviser and a combustion expert, "but if it's atomized and combustible and gets to an ignition source, it'll go off."

Burning fuel traveling down the elevator shafts would have disrupted the elevator systems and caused extensive damage to the lobbies. NIST heard first-person testimony that "some elevators slammed right down" to the ground floor. "The doors cracked open on the lobby floor and flames came out and people died," says James Quintiere, an engineering professor at the University of Maryland and a NIST adviser. A similar observation was made in the French documentary "9/11," by Jules and Gedeon Naudet. As Jules Naudet entered the North Tower lobby, minutes after the first aircraft struck, he saw victims on fire, a scene he found too horrific to film.


"Melted" Steel
CLAIM: "We have been lied to," announces the Web site AttackOnAmerica.net. "The first lie was that the load of fuel from the aircraft was the cause of structural failure. No kerosene fire can burn hot enough to melt steel." The posting is entitled "Proof Of Controlled Demolition At The WTC."

FACT: Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength--and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."

"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.

But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.

"The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down."


Puffs Of Dust
CLAIM: As each tower collapsed, clearly visible puffs of dust and debris were ejected from the sides of the buildings. An advertisement in The New York Times for the book Painful Questions: An Analysis Of The September 11th Attack made this claim: "The concrete clouds shooting out of the buildings are not possible from a mere collapse. They do occur from explosions." Numerous conspiracy theorists cite Van Romero, an explosives expert and vice president of the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology, who was quoted on 9/11 by the Albuquerque Journal as saying "there were some explosive devices inside the buildings that caused the towers to collapse." The article continues, "Romero said the collapse of the structures resembled those of controlled implosions used to demolish old structures."

FACT: Once each tower began to collapse, the weight of all the floors above the collapsed zone bore down with pulverizing force on the highest intact floor. Unable to absorb the massive energy, that floor would fail, transmitting the forces to the floor below, allowing the collapse to progress downward through the building in a chain reaction. Engineers call the process "pancaking," and it does not require an explosion to begin, according to David Biggs, a structural engineer at Ryan-Biggs Associates and a member of the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) team that worked on the FEMA report.

Like all office buildings, the WTC towers contained a huge volume of air. As they pancaked, all that air--along with the concrete and other debris pulverized by the force of the collapse--was ejected with enormous energy. "When you have a significant portion of a floor collapsing, it's going to shoot air and concrete dust out the window," NIST lead investigator Shyam Sunder tells PM. Those clouds of dust may create the impression of a controlled demolition, Sunder adds, "but it is the floor pancaking that leads to that perception."

Demolition expert Romero regrets that his comments to the Albuquerque Journal became fodder for conspiracy theorists. "I was misquoted in saying that I thought it was explosives that brought down the building," he tells PM. "I only said that that's what it looked like."

Romero, who agrees with the scientific conclusion that fire triggered the collapses, demanded a retraction from the Journal. It was printed Sept. 22, 2001. "I felt like my scientific reputation was on the line." But emperors-clothes.com saw something else: "The paymaster of Romero's research institute is the Pentagon. Directly or indirectly, pressure was brought to bear, forcing Romero to retract his original statement." Romero responds: "Conspiracy theorists came out saying that the government got to me. That is the farthest thing from the truth. This has been an albatross around my neck for three years."

Sorry.

 

[Toro]

RE: Candidate for USA Con

By Brian Carnell

Thursday, November 22, 2001

Via Poliglut come two separate theories about why the WTC Towers collapsed so quickly.

In this corner we have chemistry professor Art Robinson. Robinson told World Net Daily that he believes the towers came down quickly because of New York's 1971 ban on asbestos.

When the towers were originally designed, the columns were to be coated in a foam spray made from asbestos. Before the towers were completed, however, New York banned asbestos and the upper floors used an alternative insulation. Robinson says that Herbert Levine, who invented the asbetos foam spray that was to be used, said that, "If a fire breaks out above the 64th floor, that building will fall down."

I'm extremely skeptical of this particular theory. Robinson makes much of Levine's comment without even bothering to note that it is incredibly self-serving. Also this particular explanation is too reminiscent of the myth that the Space Shuttle disaster was the result of an asbestos ban (asbestos should not have been banned, but lets not try to blame every disaster on the irrational fear of asbestos).

In the other corner is G. Charles Clifton of the New Zealand Heavy Engineering Research Assocation who argues that it was the force exerted by the impact of the planes which ultimately doomed the towers. Clifton argues that the plane that hit the North Tower almost certainly took out the core supporting structures of at least three floors, causing the floors above them to sag. As the fire weakened the supporting columns, this effect would have become more exaggerated until the floors collapsed on top of each other pancake-style.

Clifton's hypothesis also would explain why the South tower collapsed so much more quickly than did the North tower. Based on the videotape of the collision, Clifton notes that the plane that hit the South tower probably took out all of the core supports for at least 4 and probably 6 floors, as well as severely weakening the southeast corner of the building.

In both cases, Clifton argues that any resulting fire was not, in and of itself, enough to bring down the towers. In fact, he notes that the available evidence is inconsistent with a raging 700 degree fire that has been frequently hypothesized as the cause of the collapse (Clifton argues that if that scenario occurred, the towers wouldn't have lasted nearly as long as they did).

http://brian.carnell.com/archives/years/2001/11/000021.html

 

[Just the Facts]

Re: Candidate for USA Congress says "Bush did 9-11&quot

Sheesh. Anyone who wants to know what brought the towers down only has to watch the tapes. It's all there in plain sight. It must be the most filmed tragedy ever. Controlled demolition is the easiest dispelled wacko theory ever. Other than that, whether it was heat or structural damage is one for the engineers. I imagine it was a combination of both.

 

[arob]

Re: Candidate for USA Congress says "Bush did 9-11&quot

Sheesh. Anyone who wants to know what brought the towers down only has to watch the tapes. It's all there in plain sight. It must be the most filmed tragedy ever. Controlled demolition is the easiest dispelled wacko theory ever.

Building 7

Nobody can explain that... it was NOT hit by aircraft or anything major and had only small office fires, but down it came. It 'collapsed' hours after the other two towers and 20 minutes AFTER the BBC reported it had collapsed.

Oh there is no doubt in my mind the whole thing was orchestrated by **** Cheney and Bush Administration, and furthermore the most dangerous terrorist on the planet today STILL lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Obama is WORSE than Bush for he lies right to your face. He says one thing and does another, every damn time.

 

[DaSleeper]

Necro Alert!!!!

 

[arob]

im sorry i thought it was a current thread... I didnt see that it was from 2006. Sorry. It is something I feel passionate about though. I think if more people knew about Bldg 7 they would see that 911 is the biggest lie ever told. Its false flag from start to finish, and look what happened .. ie NSA surveillance and drone wars. This is one case where it has had such a negative effect on North American society,
Sorry again

 

[B00Mer]

...and notice all the posters on this thread are anti-Bush Nut Bars.. Lefty twats

 

[Sons of Liberty]

Re: Candidate for USA Congress says "Bush did 9-11&quot

Building 7

Nobody can explain that... it was NOT hit by aircraft or anything major and had only small office fires, but down it came. It 'collapsed' hours after the other two towers and 20 minutes AFTER the BBC reported it had collapsed.

I doubt it, but maybe this will help; Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - World Trade Center 7, Building 7

 

[arob]

Re: Candidate for USA Congress says "Bush did 9-11&quot

I doubt it, but maybe this will help; Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - World Trade Center 7, Building 7

Its funny you should choose to post that... I read all that in great detail quite a while back, and marveled at how much time and energy went into that very elaborate showpiece to 'debunk' the truth. Have you ever read it? It doesnt make sense and it certainly is NOT backed by science. No, things like that are made for money. Bush / Cheney oil money helps us get to the truth in that case - black is white and the laws of physics don't apply in that world. Those girders seem to defy gravity!
Read this: Debunking the Debunkers

There's no point in getting emotional. The US government lied (and continues to lie) and has duped the whole world so as to be on-track for the New American Century. Good for them. It worked! And it will help all Canadians, esp in oil patch Albertans and defense contractors etc. This lie is good for us.

 

[Cliffy]

...and notice all the posters on this thread are anti-Bush Nut Bars.. Lefty twats

As opposed to anti-Obama Nut Bars... Right Wing Loonies? A white sock puppet verses a black sock puppet. Those who believe in sock puppets need to take their Valium.

 

[SLM]

As opposed to anti-Obama Nut Bars... Right Wing Loonies? A white sock puppet verses a black sock puppet. Those who believe in sock puppets need to take their Valium.

Or some mint jelly.

 

[Missplaced]

I can understand the reticence that some of our friends have to even consider that there was involvement by their own government in the tragic events of 9/11. Nearly all Americans and those who champion the American ideology of Manifest Destiny know absolutely that their government would never lie to them.

Robert S. {Strange} McNamara offered some insights in the documentary "Fog of War", in which he supports the contention that the Gulf of Tokin event was a hoax... but hey the U.S. government is at least as honest as the Canadian gov....

 

[Sons of Liberty]

Re: Candidate for USA Congress says "Bush did 9-11&quot

Its funny you should choose to post that... I read all that in great detail quite a while back, and marveled at how much time and energy went into that very elaborate showpiece to 'debunk' the truth. Have you ever read it? It doesnt make sense and it certainly is NOT backed by science. No, things like that are made for money. Bush / Cheney oil money helps us get to the truth in that case - black is white and the laws of physics don't apply in that world. Those girders seem to defy gravity!
Read this: Debunking the Debunkers

There's no point in getting emotional. The US government lied (and continues to lie) and has duped the whole world so as to be on-track for the New American Century. Good for them. It worked! And it will help all Canadians, esp in oil patch Albertans and defense contractors etc. This lie is good for us.

It was worth a shot, carry on.

 

[DaSleeper]

Re: Candidate for USA Congress says "Bush did 9-11&quot

It was worth a shot, carry on.

Never try to refute a good conspiracy with evidence:lol: