Candidate for USA Congress says "Bush did 9-11"

[Toro]

RE: Candidate for USA Con

There's a difference between dirty tricks and mass murder of your own people in this day and age.

Especially when all you've got are theories.

 

[Kreskin]

RE: Candidate for USA Congress says "Bush did 9-11&quot

I'm not suggesting they committed these acts but they sure as hell benefit politically from the results.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Candidate for USA Congress says "Bush did 9-11&

ITN, dirty tricks to gain political advantage is the bread and butter of politics. Politics is about acquiring power. It isn't done by holding hands and smiling. World history is a story of scoundrels doing just about anything to conquer others. People wanting to have more power than ANYONE on the planet aren't likely to simply play by a good samaritan rulebook.

But isn't it odd they all spawn in the US? :?:

 

[Toro]

Re: RE: Candidate for USA Congress says "Bush did 9-11&

I'm not suggesting they committed these acts but they sure as hell benefit politically from the results.

Republicans generally benefit when there is an enemy.

The problem with the conspiracy theorists is they use this fact as prima facie evidence that Bush and the neocons were involved when there is no evidence. Instead, its "this person met with that person at one time" and "these guys benefit from this."

In almost every action, no matter what, there is someone somewhere who usually benefits, even if that action is negative in the whole. The guy who runs the funeral parlour benefits when someone dies. Does that mean he's going around killing people?

The conspiracists' "evidence" is merely conjecture drawn from a fog of ignorance.

 

[Kreskin]

RE: Candidate for USA Congress says "Bush did 9-11&quot

They don't all spawn in the US but the US has also acquired more world power than anyone else. That doesn't all come by being the white knight in shining armor and sharing milk and cookies. Naturally the microscope on the US is at a higher power, particularly at a time when the world is thrown into chaos and the internet is invented by Al Gore (j/k).

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Candidate for USA Congress says "Bush did 9-11&

They don't all spawn in the US but the US has also acquired more world power than anyone else. That doesn't all come by being the white knight in shining armor and sharing milk and cookies. Naturally the microscope on the US is at a higher power, particularly at a time when the world is thrown into chaos and the internet is invented by Al Gore (j/k).

The US has only been a world power since after WWII. I find it odd conspiracy theorists would assert the Spanish American War was instigated by the US government by means of blowing up their own ship.

 

[Kreskin]

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I'm not suggesting they committed these acts but they sure as hell benefit politically from the results.

Republicans generally benefit when there is an enemy.

The problem with the conspiracy theorists is they use this fact as prima facie evidence that Bush and the neocons were involved when there is no evidence. Instead, its "this person met with that person at one time" and "these guys benefit from this."

In almost every action, no matter what, there is someone somewhere who usually benefits, even if that action is negative in the whole. The guy who runs the funeral parlour benefits when someone dies. Does that mean he's going around killing people?

The conspiracists' "evidence" is merely conjecture drawn from a fog of ignorance.

If the funeral parlour owner was also the local police chief and people were getting killed by cops I would anticipate the issue would foster all kinds of speculation.

Half of his administration signed that new american century document. They wouldn't have had the will of the people to execute their agenda if 9-11 had not occurred. I'm not saying they committed anything but with a Texas President, a Halliburton Vice, and a party that improves it's position when the population is fearful, the situation just oozes with conflict of interest.

 

[Toro]

Re: Candidate for USA Congress says "Bush did 9-11&quot

And now you have to make the

HUGE

leap that Bush and the neocons offed 3000 of their own people to enter into a Quixotic war.

Not the same as faking a sinking in a gulf.
Not the same as burning the Reichstag.

All the items you pointed out are merely circumstantial.

PNAC writing an article that America should spread Jeffersonian democracy in the Middle East, by military force if necessary, and admitting that it is unlikely to happen unless there is a catastrophic event, and that catastrophic event occuring, then coming to the conclusion that the group that wrote the thesis put the events into play is akin to coming to the conclusion that a heavy metal band that writes about Satanic events indeed are Satanists, and that a murder that looks like a ritual sacrifice was caused by that heavy metal band.

Look, devil worshippers!

 

[Toro]

RE: Candidate for USA Con

Oh, here's a good one for the Bush haters

 

[wallyj]

RE: Candidate for USA Congress says "Bush did 9-11&quot

Illogic 7 provides a link with a professor who has determined that the buildings were brought down by explosives.This professor is a founder of a conspiracy group called "scholars for 9.11 truth". He belives in a conspiracy and then quotes himself as an expert,and the morons use his "research" as fact.What a bunch of buffoons.

 

[wallyj]

RE: Candidate for USA Congress says "Bush did 9-11&quot

Anyone remember Keegstra,He ran for office once and believed the holocaust never happened.Just because a candidate says it, doesn't make it true.Unless you also believe politicians never lie.They don't,right?

 

[Kreskin]

Re: Candidate for USA Congress says "Bush did 9-11&quot

And now you have to make the

HUGE

leap that Bush and the neocons offed 3000 of their own people to enter into a Quixotic war.

Not the same as faking a sinking in a gulf.
Not the same as burning the Reichstag.

All the items you pointed out are merely circumstantial.

PNAC writing an article that America should spread Jeffersonian democracy in the Middle East, by military force if necessary, and admitting that it is unlikely to happen unless there is a catastrophic event, and that catastrophic event occuring, then coming to the conclusion that the group that wrote the thesis put the events into play is akin to coming to the conclusion that a heavy metal band that writes about Satanic events indeed are Satanists, and that a murder that looks like a ritual sacrifice was caused by that heavy metal band.

Look, devil worshippers!

I don't suspect they put those events into play but they played the events like a violin. Even managed to correlate it with mushroom clouds from Saddams huge arsenal of WMD's. Whipped everyone into a frenzy with the red alert chart/system. You and I both know it was the best thing that ever happened to Bush. Reading books to elementary school kids wasn't going to re-elect him.

p.s. I don't listen to sinner's music. Lord have mercy on their souls.

 

[thomaska]

Re: Candidate for USA Congress says "Bush did 9-11&quot

I told ya so. You said I was nuts, a freaky wild conspiracy nutball.

But some of you agreed too. Good for you, brave souls because the truth is one step closer to emerging and then all those poor saps on the other side of this line will have some " 'splaining" to do, mostly to themselves for falling for such an old trick.

Now a serious candidate running for the Congressional seat in the Republican primary is saying it out loud, brave soul also.

the candidate, Mary Maxwell, said the U.S. government had a role in killing nearly 3,000 people at the World Trade Center and Pentagon, so it could make Americans hate Arabs and allow the military to bomb Muslim nations such as Iraq.

she implicated the government by saying the Sept. 11 attacks were meant "to soften us up ... to make us more willing to have more stringent laws here, which are totally against the Bill of Rights ... to make us particularly focus on Arabs and Muslims ... and those strange persons who spend all their time creating little bombs," giving Americans a reason "to hate them and fear them and, therefore, bomb them in Iraq for other reasons."

She said this strategy "would be normal" for governments, citing her belief that the British government - and not the Germany military - sank the Lusitania ocean liner in 1915. The deaths of Americans on the cruise liner helped galvanize U.S. support to enter World War I, and benefited England, she said.

In turn, the Sept. 11 attacks "made the ground fertile" for more stringent laws, such as the Patriot Act, and the creation of the Department of Homeland Security, Maxwell said.

Oh YA!!!! This is a good day. When people running for office say it, the media might pick up on it and the public might start to get a grip on the reality of conspiracy that we are living in right now.

Nawww, people are just too willing to believe what is easiest to believe, and the USA government being implicated in the 9-11 incident is just not an easy thing to believe.

CAN you believe it?

Can YOU believe it?

This GOP candidate seriously believes it, and is passionate about bringing the truth out. Lets see if she gets any mass media time...

K

PS - Link to Lusitania ocean liner sinking quoted as example in the candidate's speach:
http://www.pbs.org/lostliners/lusitania.html

The lost of the Lusitania provoked great outrage in the United States and helped create the climate of public opinion that would later allow America to join the war.

nevermind, but WhoTF is Mary Maxwell?

 

[Toro]

Re: Candidate for USA Congress says "Bush did 9-11&quot

I don't suspect they put those events into play but they played the events like a violin. Even managed to correlate it with mushroom clouds from Saddams huge arsenal of WMD's. Whipped everyone into a frenzy with the red alert chart/system. You and I both know it was the best thing that ever happened to Bush. Reading books to elementary school kids wasn't going to re-elect him.

That very well may be Kreskin. Bush was struggling in the polls until 9/11

p.s. I don't listen to sinner's music. Lord have mercy on their souls.

For those of us who listened to sinners' music, say a prayer for us when you're in heaven and we're not!

 

[jimmoyer]

RE: Candidate for USA Congress says "Bush did 9-11&quot

We're all Bush'ed.

 

[Logic 7]

Re: RE: Candidate for USA Congress says "Bush did 9-11&

Illogic 7 provides a link with a professor who has determined that the buildings were brought down by explosives.This professor is a founder of a conspiracy group called "scholars for 9.11 truth". He belives in a conspiracy and then quotes himself as an expert,and the morons use his "research" as fact.What a bunch of buffoons.

No probleme you can say whatever you want, but this guy was a faitful supporter of george w bush until he realize 9-11 was an inside job.


http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/06/341238.shtml


"Based on chemical analysis of WTC structural steel residue, a Brigham Young University physics professor has identified the material as Thermate. Thermate is the controlled demolition explosive thermite plus sulfur. Sulfur cases the thermite to burn hotter, cutting steel quickly and leaving trails of yellow colored residue."

 

[Logic 7]

Re: RE: Candidate for USA Congress says "Bush did 9-11&

I'm not suggesting they committed these acts but they sure as hell benefit politically from the results.

Republicans generally benefit when there is an enemy.

The problem with the conspiracy theorists is they use this fact as prima facie evidence that Bush and the neocons were involved when there is no evidence. Instead, its "this person met with that person at one time" and "these guys benefit from this."

In almost every action, no matter what, there is someone somewhere who usually benefits, even if that action is negative in the whole. The guy who runs the funeral parlour benefits when someone dies. Does that mean he's going around killing people?

The conspiracists' "evidence" is merely conjecture drawn from a fog of ignorance.

Pnac documents arent the evidence,of course they support the theory, but here the evidence,building 7 which was never by an airplane, fell at free fall speed, statement by larry sylverstein who admit to have controlled demolish the building 7, FBI web site that doesnt link Bin laden to 9-11, anthrax(which was by the way, an inside job),the incredible operation northwood and the last event that proves that wtc were brought down with explosive, when in fact there is nothing that support US officials story, except a distorted tape, where oussma took 40 pounds, and suddenly become right handed, which according to FBI he is left handed.

 

[elevennevele]

Re: RE: Candidate for USA Congress says "Bush did 9-11&

What I don’t get is why FBI agents were taken off from keeping an eye on those terrorist. Or why Israeli spies were cheering by their white van as they watched the two towers collapse. Both incidents being true.

The fact remains we don’t know the truth because the US government confiscated and locked away all the material, information surrounding the event. From video cameras at gas stations, to all sorts of crucial evidence. This from an administration warned repeatedly prior to the attack.

I don’t think anyone is suggesting the terrorist don’t feel as through they accomplished this, but there does seem to be the suggestion that the current administration may have helped the situation of a terror plot along. Even if one were to use the lowest argument of ‘intention inaction’.

Again I have to suspend judgment because I’m not entitled to all the information to make a real determination. Like everyone else I can only shake my head mystified at all the discrepancies.

However when we look back to recognized that this is an administration that lied all the way forward to push the Iraq War (eg. yellow cake), an administration that defends the use of torture, why then are some people here defending them with such an equal certainty (in the opposite direction of the same equal conviction)? How does anyone speak as through they know for sure in either direction of opinion?

This is an administration that has shown themselves to be no angels. They have been brutal in carrying out foreign policy. Americans are still in denial over the war crimes being carried out in their name.

"Vehicle possibly related to New York terrorist attack. White, 2000 Chevrolet van with New Jersey registration with 'Urban Moving Systems' sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center. "Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals."

State police Col. Barry W. Roberson confirmed the traffic stop at a late night news briefing at state police headquarters in Trenton. He would not elaborate, however. A business traveler staying at the Homestead Studio Hotel said she watched state troopers drive the suspects away in a procession of state police cars about 5 p.m. "First, they told us we could hang out in the lobby, but then they told us to leave," the traveler said.

At 10 p.m., the hotel guest said she could see at least two police officers searching through the van while a crowd of other officers kept their distance.
THE SUSPICIOUS "MIDDLE EASTERN MOVERS" WERE ISRAELIS WITH BOXCUTTERS, EUROPEAN PASSPORTS AND $4000 CASH

SOURCE: ISRAEL NATIONAL NEWS

Arutz Sheva News Service IsraelNationalNews.com 10-26-1

Five young Israelis are "on the verge of collapse," according to family members, as their incarceration in New York on charges relating to the Bin Laden attacks continues. They were arrested on Sept. 11, only hours after the World Trade Center attack, on charges of "plotting to blow up" a New York bridge. Katie Shmuel of the Galilee town of Yokne'am, says that her son Yaron is in "a very critical psychological situation," given that they are not allowed to have visitors and the difficult conditions in which they are being held. "The Israeli Consul-General in New York was allowed to visit only after asking several times and receiving a special permit," Katie told Arutz-7's Yosef Zalmanson today. "He was allowed to talk to them only in English, and only from behind a glass partition. The Consul told me that the boys are in a bad state and that they are being held under difficult conditions."

When asked why the five youths, aged 22-26, are being held, Katie replied with despair: "It's ludicrous. They were on the George Washington Bridge at the time of the bombing, and the FBI had warnings of a terrorist plot, of guys in a white van, to blow up the bridge. So when the FBI saw this van, with my son and his four friends - one of them had a large sum of money, there were two razor knives in the van, and one of the boys is named Omer, which the FBI guys thought was Omar - they put one and one together and got three, and immediately arrested them... For the first few days, the boys were held in an FBI dungeon, tied up, with no clothes and no food."

*The Israeli newspaper Ha'retz revealed on Sept 17 that these were the same men who were seen "celebrating" and "making mocking gestures" as the Twin Towers collapsed.

** The Jerusalem Post reported on October 26 that the Israelis were smiling as they photograhed themselves with the collapsed towers in the background.
MORE SUSPICIOUS ISRAELI "MOVERS" DETAINED WITH DETAILED VIDEO OF SEARS TOWER

 

[elevennevele]

RE: Candidate for USA Con

From what I understand, those individuals were simply deported back to Israel. Since when did the US government simply deport those who show some involvement or special knowledge surrounding terrorist activities? Everyone else seems to go into detention without trial to places like Guantanamo. ‘Special prisons’ regardless of whether you hold British Citizenship, Canadian Citizenship, etc.

 

[Toro]

Re: RE: Candidate for USA Congress says "Bush did 9-11&

statement by larry sylverstein who admit to have controlled demolish the building 7,

Because it was uninhabitable and structurally a danger.

FBI web site that doesnt link Bin laden to 9-11,

C'mon.

anthrax(which was by the way, an inside job),

Oh, sure. And the CIA created AIDS to kill black people.

the incredible operation northwood

See my devil worshipper post.

and the last event that proves that wtc were brought down with explosive,

No proof. Sorry.

when in fact there is nothing that support US officials story, except a distorted tape, where oussma took 40 pounds, and suddenly become right handed, which according to FBI he is left handed.

Gosh, a government agency not getting it exactly right. OMG! He's not right handed! That's proof positive.

If this was in a court of law, the judge would dismiss this "evidence" out of hand - once he stopped laughing.