Canadians Moving to the US

[ottawabill]

RE: Canadians Moving to t

Yep the paranoid thought of Canadains is just crazy.
First the U.S is maybe 1 degree different than Canada.
second we are the same people with the same history make up and background. I here all the time about the American war history compared to Canada's nature.. It's not true just that Canadains do get Canadian History. Who were the American's fighting way back then anyways..us!! So if they we built on war..hell so were we.

I here the horror of the U.S. medical system..what about the people in Canada who die waiting to see the Doctor or have their operation...What about the guy in Ottawa two weeks ago was turned away from the hospital because he didn't have his health card and died on the way to get one. Man if that was a U.S. story we'd never her the end of it. Yep the murder rate is higher and yep there are more guns in the States. The murder rate is higher in cities and we have more guns in the country do we trash those two regions??

Plain and simple Most of Canada is 1 degree off most of American..except Texas hahaha..but then again most American's think Texas is a whole other country

 

[EagleSmack]

Canadian jealousy towards the US has become a cottage industry here. This is part of the sociallists agenda. They need to demonize an enemy. The socialists constantly shout down changes to medicare no matter what they are. They do this by demonizing US style health care. Yeah the one with no waiting lists. Canadians have been fleeing to the US since the beginning of Canada. Why wouldn't they. To some it's their only chance to survive.

Interesting

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Canadians Moving to t

Not true, but interesting.

 

[bluealberta]

Canadian jealousy towards the US has become a cottage industry here. This is part of the sociallists agenda. They need to demonize an enemy. The socialists constantly shout down changes to medicare no matter what they are. They do this by demonizing US style health care. Yeah the one with no waiting lists. Canadians have been fleeing to the US since the beginning of Canada. Why wouldn't they. To some it's their only chance to survive.

Interesting

Interesting and true. The left continues to demonize the US and pave over any negatives that Canada has. Proof of this has been the socialist left blaming the conservatives for the liberal corruption, either implied or actual. The left will not even consider changes to health care that include privitization, because it "will become US style health care". As Red says, no waiting lists in the US, and the cost is not much higher than ours per individual, but lesser taxes and more tax deductions (mortgage interest, for one), more than make up for the increased cost of US health care. Consider this: Under our system Canada would not have permitted the Mayo clinic to operate. No, the US is not perfect, but it is not nearly as bad as the left makes it, just as Canada is not the paradise the socialist left would have you believe Canada is either.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Canadians Moving to t

Buy a compass and head south Blue. Don't let the border guard kick you in the ass on your way out.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

each country has its positives, and its negatives. If people want to leave CA for the US.....go for it. Don't see what the big deal is. If one is going to bitch about Canada (and there are plenty of things that need improving) then ask yourself......are you part of the problem or part of the solution ......and what are you doing about it. I would dread the day that Canada would swing so far to the "Right" so as to get anal retentive. Some happy medium must be the goal. Extremes of any kind are never constructive...(except for fanatics)

one thing to keep in mind when leaving a nation: The grass always "looks" greener on the other side of the fence. Sometimes when you get there, you find it has more weeds than what you left behind. but the choice is up the individual. No one is forcing anyone to stay anywhere.

Canada is not so "patriotic" intense as to be blinded to its problems....... and if those that don't like it here and see their fantasies come true south of the border........ here is a one way ticket.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Canadians Moving to t

Buy a compass and head south Blue. Don't let the border guard kick you in the ass on your way out.

Aw, now, if I left, who would you get after on here? Sorry, I am not going anywhere in the near future at least.

I was simply pointing out facts about the attitude of the socialist left.

They are not border guards, they are Custom and Immigration officials. Only communists have border "guards", not Canada, unless you know something I don't.

However, given that I would have to stop at a US customs office, I guess I will not have to see the Canadian officers on the way out, will I.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Canadians Moving to t

It's the internet, Blue...they have it in the US too, as backwards as they are down there.

You were promoting fallacies and myths.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Canadians Moving to t

It's the internet, Blue...they have it in the US too, as backwards as they are down there.

You were promoting fallacies and myths.

Really? Tell me which ones? There have been several posts on here from US citizens that confirm there are no waiting lists. There are several posts on this forum that describe the cost. There are several posts on this forum that confirm that taxes for equal income are lower in the US. There are several posts on this forum that confirm that mortgage interest is deductible, and one that says that the deduction of mortgage interest generally gives you a credit on next years taxes of between four and seven months of mortgage payments. There are several posts on this forum that confirm there are 1871 publicly operated clinics and hospitals in the US that are for the uninsured. There are several posts on this forum that describe in detail the US system. There are several posts on this forum describing waiting lists in Canada of up to two years for knee surgery, up to three months for an MRI, and of spending hours in emergency rooms.

Where are the fallacies and myths?

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Canadians Moving to the US

each country has its positives, and its negatives. If people want to leave CA for the US.....go for it. Don't see what the big deal is. If one is going to bitch about Canada (and there are plenty of things that need improving) then ask yourself......are you part of the problem or part of the solution ......and what are you doing about it. I would dread the day that Canada would swing so far to the "Right" so as to get anal retentive. Some happy medium must be the goal. Extremes of any kind are never constructive...(except for fanatics)

one thing to keep in mind when leaving a nation: The grass always "looks" greener on the other side of the fence. Sometimes when you get there, you find it has more weeds than what you left behind. but the choice is up the individual. No one is forcing anyone to stay anywhere.

Canada is not so "patriotic" intense as to be blinded to its problems....... and if those that don't like it here and see their fantasies come true south of the border........ here is a one way ticket.

Oh yes, you are absolutely right, there are problems in the US, do deny it is stupid, just as it is stupid to run down the whole country all the time. Canada has its faults, the US has its faults. The major difference is that US citizens have more choice than Canadians, less taxes, and less government in their face, unlike Canada. Unfortunately, Canada is becoming so overtaxed and overregulated, it is becoming stifling, except to those who like to be told what, where, and how to do everything in their lives from cradle to grave.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Canadians Moving to t

There are several posts that contradict those and several studies that show them to be inaccurate. Just lately there is General Motors blaming the high price of US health care on their poor financial situation.

 

[Twila]

RE: Canadians Moving to t

The left continues to demonize the US and pave over any negatives that Canada has.

Why does everything have to be left or right. Why can someone not say something negative and true about the US without it being assumed that they gloss over the negative about Canada.

You can't always state disclaimers for every little thing. If I say the US was droping daisy cutters on civilian areas of Iraq (which is true) why would I also talk about the corruption of the liberal gov't here? There are NOT related.

Why should I continually have to say after every little thing " but I know Canada has it's problems too"? Are we not all old enough to understand that we all get it? That it' doesn't have to be said continusouly?

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Canadians Moving to t

It's the internet, Blue...they have it in the US too, as backwards as they are down there.

You were promoting fallacies and myths.

Really? Tell me which ones? There have been several posts on here from US citizens that confirm there are no waiting lists. There are several posts on this forum that describe the cost. There are several posts on this forum that confirm that taxes for equal income are lower in the US. There are several posts on this forum that confirm that mortgage interest is deductible, and one that says that the deduction of mortgage interest generally gives you a credit on next years taxes of between four and seven months of mortgage payments. There are several posts on this forum that confirm there are 1871 publicly operated clinics and hospitals in the US that are for the uninsured. There are several posts on this forum that describe in detail the US system. There are several posts on this forum describing waiting lists in Canada of up to two years for knee surgery, up to three months for an MRI, and of spending hours in emergency rooms.

Where are the fallacies and myths?

I don't know about knee surgeries or MRIs, but I have a neighbour that is originally from Millwaukee, and was visiting family in North Carolina a couple years ago. Her son, 6 years old at the time, developed pneumonia from travelling in and out of air conditioned buildings...anyway, she had to take him to the hospital because he was turning blue...she took him to one of the privately operated emergency rooms, and upon entering the building there is a security desk with a big 4' x 6' sign stating that if you can't produce proof of insurance, then you must go to County Hospital...luckily, she had Blue Cross, and was able to get in...but even then she said it was 4 hours before a doctor would see her son...she said that is pretty much the norm everywhere you go...

She had lived in the US all but about 5 years of her life, and she has a very low opinion of for-profit-healthcare...

So...it seems that there are differing views on how well or not the US style system works...

I suspect that some people are not willing to tell the truth...

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Canadians Moving to t

The left continues to demonize the US and pave over any negatives that Canada has.

Why does everything have to be left or right. Why can someone not say something negative and true about the US without it being assumed that they gloss over the negative about Canada.

You can't always state disclaimers for every little thing. If I say the US was droping daisy cutters on civilian areas of Iraq (which is true) why would I also talk about the corruption of the liberal gov't here? There are NOT related.

Why should I continually have to say after every little thing " but I know Canada has it's problems too"? Are we not all old enough to understand that we all get it? That it' doesn't have to be said continusouly?

True and well said, Twila... :thumbleft:

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Canadians Moving to t

The left continues to demonize the US and pave over any negatives that Canada has.

Why does everything have to be left or right. Why can someone not say something negative and true about the US without it being assumed that they gloss over the negative about Canada.

You can't always state disclaimers for every little thing. If I say the US was droping daisy cutters on civilian areas of Iraq (which is true) why would I also talk about the corruption of the liberal gov't here? There are NOT related.

Why should I continually have to say after every little thing " but I know Canada has it's problems too"? Are we not all old enough to understand that we all get it? That it' doesn't have to be said continusouly?

I guess the reason is because every time someone says anything postive about the US, they are told to move there or "here's a one way ticket", or if you hate Canada that much then leave, when that was not even the intent of the post.

Works both ways.

 

[Twila]

RE: Canadians Moving to t

Works both ways.

yes. Yes it does.

I probably should have put in that disclaimer too....

 

[peapod]

Oh thats a bunch of twaddle. We are well aware of the good points america has and we have talked about them at this board. Stop trying to stop us from discussing issues that are going on in the world because america is involved. You have made it clear that if you don't get what you want, your leaving for america, or yet your going to seperate from canada. You will do the same thing in america you do here, if you don't get what you want there, well there is always Iraq, I hear they got lots of black gold.

 

[I think not]

Oh thats a bunch of twaddle. We are well aware of the good points america has and we have talked about them at this board.

You have?

 

[peapod]

Here we go again with the jekyll and hyde routine eh? think. Well tell you what I got about 5,000 posts here, start reading. Off the top of my head, yesterday, I completely admire the vietnam war protesters, fine american citizens. Why don't you try it yourself , oh I know maybe you will wear that hat tomarrow :wink:

 

[Ocean Breeze]

twila and pea: Good posting. Good common sense.

actually , gotta confess that it is sort of funny to see how defensive "Americans' get. But , in all seriousness, It is understandable as they are in the spotlight now and being scrutinized as never before. In a way this is a consequence of their own doings. Reality is , that this has been building up for some time. .....and maybe we are seeing it more clearly now. Suspect that sociologists might be able to explain this phenomena .