Canadians Moving to the US

[Derry McKinney]

RE: Canadians Moving to t

The scenario is based on the actions of US corporations and the US government, BA. It is based on Canada's past experiences with such scenarios.

My appraisal of you is based on the things you have said. If the assumptions are incorrect, it is because you have said so many things that are ignorant and irresponsible.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Canadians Moving to t

The scenario is based on the actions of US corporations and the US government, BA. It is based on Canada's past experiences with such scenarios.

My appraisal of you is based on the things you have said. If the assumptions are incorrect, it is because you have said so many things that are ignorant and irresponsible.

Get a new appraiser, the old one sucks.

The point still is that unless and until all options can be discussed regarding health care, nothing will get fixed. At some point, the system will collapse on itself, and then we will really have to start over, with no time to figure out how. That is scarey.

 

[Derry McKinney]

RE: Canadians Moving to t

So the first step is to scrap NAFTA, or at least back out of Chapter 11, which would amount to the same thing since Bush's corporatist pals would never agree to it.

You can try to deny the continuous lawsuits that have arisen under that trade agreement. You can try to claim that we nothing to be concerned about. The fact is that we cannot move toward privatized health care without endangering any non-US styled system under NAFTA. US corporations have gone after us through that before, they continue to go after us, and there is no reason why they wouldn;t do the same again.

 

[bluealberta]

Re: RE: Canadians Moving to t

So the first step is to scrap NAFTA, or at least back out of Chapter 11, which would amount to the same thing since Bush's corporatist pals would never agree to it.

You can try to deny the continuous lawsuits that have arisen under that trade agreement. You can try to claim that we nothing to be concerned about. The fact is that we cannot move toward privatized health care without endangering any non-US styled system under NAFTA. US corporations have gone after us through that before, they continue to go after us, and there is no reason why they wouldn;t do the same again.

As I said, put everything on the table, including what you suggest. I am not afraid to look at everything, why are you?

 

[ottawabill]

This is the in the box thinking I was refering to yesterday!!!

Yes the U.S has problems with Health care..and Yes Canada has problems with healthcare. Any talk of taking any part of the U.S. system is confronted with "all hell is breaking loose" and " we are going to be just like the Americans"

There are fundamental flaws with private insurance coverage and I don't for a min think we should go that route. The medical insurance coverage in Canada should and must be provided publically. As far as delivery it's another story..I couldn't care less how provided the service, I want the best service for the least money..why would anyone want any less. We have developed a system here whereby hospitals are funded yearly. It is in there interest to keep people out of the hospitals to save money..there is something very wrong with that.

Since only very sick people are now in hospitals ALL of the doctor's and nurses charges are acute instead of having a number of patients at different levels of recovery. This makes a medical professional stressed beyond their limit. It is a good part of the reason why so many go the the U.S. to work after spending time under our system.

My Father presently is waiting from March till Nov to see a specialist to book an operation on a very bad hernia, this meeting and operation could be done in 2 weeks in Penns. I can't afford to send him there and yes this is the major downfall with the U.S. system (coverage) but there has to be a way to bring our wait times to something within reason ...

I think a reasonable discussion can be had on this topic....socialist of conservative values aside!!!

 

[I think not]

You know sometimes its just as simple as preferring warmer weather eh? Although Florida wouldn't be my first choice.

 

[DasFX]

You know sometimes its just as simple as preferring warmer weather eh? Although Florida wouldn't be my first choice.

I'd prefer Hawaii personally.

 

[ottawabill]

You know sometimes its just as simple as preferring warmer weather eh? Although Florida wouldn't be my first choice.

Yep sometimes that is all it is..Virgina is nice..all 4 seasons..just less of the harsh ones :lol:

The amazing thing I fine with some people is how far they will take a few degrees of difference. Canada and the U.S are more like each other than any two other countries in the world (maybe Scotland and England however they are the same country) but they will take these small differences and explode them to the highest level. Hell no I don't like what the U.S government does most of the time but it reflects on the people no more than the Martin Scandal in Canada reflects of the nature of Canadians. For the life of me I find no difference between Eastern Ontario, where I live, and Upstate New York..:Except the U.S. flag flies below the Maple Leaf on this side of the river

 

[I think not]

You know sometimes its just as simple as preferring warmer weather eh? Although Florida wouldn't be my first choice.

Yep sometimes that is all it is..Virgina is nice..all 4 seasons..just less of the harsh ones :lol:

The amazing thing I fine with some people is how far they will take a few degrees of difference. Canada and the U.S are more like each other than any two other countries in the world (maybe Scotland and England however they are the same country) but they will take these small differences and explode them to the highest level. Hell no I don't like what the U.S government does most of the time but it reflects on the people no more than the Martin Scandal in Canada reflects of the nature of Canadians. For the life of me I find no difference between Eastern Ontario, where I live, and Upstate New York..:Except the U.S. flag flies below the Maple Leaf on this side of the river

You're right of course. It's all about regionality. You can't say there are differences between those in Washington and BC for example. However compare Manitoba and Texas and you have a problem.

 

[I think not]

Here's a link I found through 1940. Couldn't find anything after 1940.

http://faculty.marianopolis.edu/c.belanger/QuebecHistory/stats/goto-us.htm

 

[ottawabill]

You're right of course. It's all about regionality. You can't say there are differences between those in Washington and BC for example. However compare Manitoba and Texas and you have a problem. [/quote]

Yes the differences between Manitoba and texas are almost as great as between Newfoundland and Manitoba. :wink: 8O

 

[Derry McKinney]

RE: Canadians Moving to t

Actually I always find people from the Maritimes more similar to people from Manitoba and Saskatchewan (and Northwest Ontario, for that matter) than people from Toronto or BC.

 

[ottawabill]

Re: RE: Canadians Moving to t

Do you have a link of the 35th ranking?

Here is a link ooh we are not 35th we climbed all the way to 30th!! And this is the system that is the great envy of the world..did you know thge only ones that use our model are Cuba and North Korea..the hot spots of cutting edge medical treatment!!

 

[ottawabill]

RE: Canadians Moving to t

opps forgot the link hehehe

http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/164/1/84-a

 

[ottawabill]

Re: RE: Canadians Moving to t

Actually I always find people from the Maritimes more similar to people from Manitoba and Saskatchewan (and Northwest Ontario, for that matter) than people from Toronto or BC.

hey there is good reason that I moved from Toronto!!!

 

[Nascar_James]

Hi,

My name is Matt and I work at a news and entertainment television program based in New York.

In the aftermath of our last election many Americans are saying they're dismayed about the rightward shift their country is taking and that they want to move to Canada.

I'm interested in speaking with Canadians who are disenchanted with the more liberal attitudes of their country and are thinking of moving to the more conservative US.

Any advice or guidance anyone could offer me would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Hi Matt,

I am a conservative-minded Canadian who was born and raised in Montreal. I eventually moved to Arizona and am now living in Oklahoma.

If you are tired of the daily actions of the left-wing gov'ts in Canada, you have no choice but to move to the U.S. The climate here is real nice. Folks up in Canada have no alternative, unless they are liberal-minded of course.

Examples ... there is no talk here about legalizing gay marriage nationwide. The traditional definition of marriage here will preserve. We also have a very strong deterrant against commiting murder here (death penalty). Also, the gov'ts here are less for useless social programs such as welfare and more to giving individuals tax cuts.

 

[mrmom2]

Lets not forget your much closer to becoming a POLICE STATE :roll:

 

[peapod]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: matt moses has not been here since christmas. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[ottawabill]

RE: Canadians Moving to t

There is no Garden of Eden..yep th U.S. has it's problems but I'm starting to think Canada has nothing in it's garden but weeds!!

 

[RedFred]

Canadian jealousy towards the US has become a cottage industry here. This is part of the sociallists agenda. They need to demonize an enemy. The socialists constantly shout down changes to medicare no matter what they are. They do this by demonizing US style health care. Yeah the one with no waiting lists. Canadians have been fleeing to the US since the beginning of Canada. Why wouldn't they. To some it's their only chance to survive.