Canadian seal cull 'unnecessary due to climate change'

Cliffy

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I want his fur coat. Farm polar bears. Baby bear fur coats... Ya, would be the next fashion craze. Gimme some!
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I hear ya Cliffy. Fur is warm. That's is why animals don't need to shop for coats.
Saw a sign the other day that said, "Cats are little women in cheep fur coats."

When I lived in the bush, I always wanted a coyote fur bed spread. Mmmmm! Would love to roll around that with some soft young thang.
 

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.....,the rest of the Arctic predators that rely on Lemmings also go in 4 year cycles where the population hits a high point and then starts all over.
Is that by choice or do they just start dying of starvation and there is no survival of the fittest ones unless being able to survive on no food is one of the qualities that get passed on. Rabbits turn cannibal when they start to run out of food, is that the same for the predators?
Ever see any video of the African Water Buffalo swimming a river during their migration and in that crossing the far side is a bottle-neck so several 1,000 die from drowning. Say the 'camera crew' was to use their trucks to pull away all the dead trees from the far bank so the herd didn't get bunched up or have the 'forestry' come in and slope the whole bank to a gradual grade if the same spot is used yearly. Either method would save a certain amount of buffalo and they might even be able to harvest that same number to use as a food supplement to the people who live along the path that the buffalo travel. The only downside is the crocs and vultures miss out on a snack where most of the flesh rots away rather than being eaten anyway
 

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Is that by choice or do they just start dying of starvation and there is no survival of the fittest ones unless being able to survive on no food is one of the qualities that get passed on. Rabbits turn cannibal when they start to run out of food, is that the same for the predators?
Ever see any video of the African Water Buffalo swimming a river during their migration and in that crossing the far side is a bottle-neck so several 1,000 die from drowning. Say the 'camera crew' was to use their trucks to pull away all the dead trees from the far bank so the herd didn't get bunched up or have the 'forestry' come in and slope the whole bank to a gradual grade if the same spot is used yearly. Either method would save a certain amount of buffalo and they might even be able to harvest that same number to use as a food supplement to the people who live along the path that the buffalo travel. The only downside is the crocs and vultures miss out on a snack where most of the flesh rots away rather than being eaten anyway

This is not only well documented but it's well known by most folks who can read a book and have,I suggest "Encounters with Arctic Animals" by Fred Bruemmer for starters.

He did your research for you.
 

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Saw a sign the other day that said, "Cats are little women in cheep fur coats."

When I lived in the bush, I always wanted a coyote fur bed spread. Mmmmm! Would love to roll around that with some soft young thang.
I had a bear skin that the cat was scared ****less of. Then one day the cat worked up the balls and attacked. The bear lost some fur on an ear but the cat felt it was a true victory. He never growled at it again after that
 

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If the sea ice was melting the mice population on the land would increase, that means predators will increase and their 'pups' can be 'harvested' to replace the lost seal pups. Remember these are vicious killers at heart.


If something was to be done to protect the pups why not make their chances of not being swept out to sea by a winter storm by doing some work to the islands they are trying to cling to so that they don't get swept out to sea thereby saving some 10,000 pups in just the one year that the loss even made the news.

Unless your going to eat it, I'm against all killing of animals (especially baby ones). Haven't shot at anything alive since leaving the service. Leave it all alone, we are the ones screwing up the balance of nature, yet even so some preditors are finding their way back into the cities and suburbs.
 

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Unless your going to eat it, I'm against all killing of animals (especially baby ones). Haven't shot at anything alive since leaving the service. Leave it all alone, we are the ones screwing up the balance of nature, yet even so some preditors are finding their way back into the cities and suburbs.

Some guys have to kill animals to compensate for a small penis.
Trophy hunters get to put a big rack on their wall because to them the size has a lot to do with what their lacking down below and their phobia they have had about it since childhood.

Why else would someone kill a grizzly or any other animal that just wants to go about it's bussiness?
Unless it's for food or fur then it's just an ego booster for the guy pulling the trigger.
 

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Some guys have to kill animals to compensate for a small penis.
Trophy hunters get to put a big rack on their wall because to them the size has a lot to do with what their lacking down below and their phobia they have had about it since childhood.

Why else would someone kill a grizzly or any other animal that just wants to go about it's bussiness?
Unless it's for food or fur then it's just an ego booster for the guy pulling the trigger.
I love the guys who go down to Texas and such to shoot African wildlife in enclosures. Pay a fortune for the privilege. These idiots should be given a hunting knife and turned loose out in Grizzly country or the African savannah as far from civilization as possible and made to find their way out.
 

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I love the guys who go down to Texas and such to shoot African wildlife in enclosures. Pay a fortune for the privilege. These idiots should be given a hunting knife and turned loose out in Grizzly country or the African savannah as far from civilization as possible and made to find their way out.

The even have those enclosures in Africa sadly. My Pops has taken two hunting trips to Africa and refused to hunt in an enclosure, but rather was turned loose (with a guide) to track wildlife through the desert. One of these days I'll have to post some pics of his trophies which includes kudu, grysbok, and zebras.
 

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I love the guys who go down to Texas and such to shoot African wildlife in enclosures. Pay a fortune for the privilege. These idiots should be given a hunting knife and turned loose out in Grizzly country or the African savannah as far from civilization as possible and made to find their way out.


Americans will pay well over ten grand to shoot a polar bear,add the plane ticket and mounting and guides and your looking at 50 grand and they shoot them by running them down in the sea with a small boat.It's very sad to see this.



 

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Unless your going to eat it, I'm against all killing of animals (especially baby ones). Haven't shot at anything alive since leaving the service.
Make all the winning generals eat the enemy casualties, that would end a lot of wars in a hurry.

I would be more inclined to shoot with a camera and sell the print and buy lunch. As it is, silent appreciation is all I ever even start with. Course there was that moose who was daydreaming that one spring day on the cut-line and ............. Hauling out a camera in my current neighborhood may not be the wisest thing to do let alone sit at the same location all day long. That being said you better pack a weapon or you may well end up being lunch for something bigger than you.

Americans will pay well over ten grand to shoot a polar bear,add the plane ticket and mounting and guides and your looking at 50 grand and they shoot them by running them down in the sea with a small boat.It's very sad to see this.
How much to get pushed out of a small plane naked over their feeding grounds? (once you have a medical officially dead tag on some part of you, that is) It is most likely the cheapest way to go.

I have a clause in my will where if I can't say "I'm alive." 3 times in the same breath, I'm to be considered to be lying about being alive and put on the first available one way flight.
 
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I hope that this poor Inuit child doesn't break through the thinning ice.

That ice and that seal aren't in the same area or even the same species of seal, but they sure are nice pictures... Kakato has posted a picture of a ringed seal, which has been a dietary staple of the Inuit and other Indigenous peoples of the Arctic for millenia. The article pasted in the OP and this thread are about the Canadian seal hunt, which is mainly on the East coast, and concerns populations of harp seal, not ringed seal.
 

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That ice and that seal aren't in the same area or even the same species of seal, but they sure are nice pictures... Kakato has posted a picture of a ringed seal, which has been a dietary staple of the Inuit and other Indigenous peoples of the Arctic for millenia. The article pasted in the OP and this thread are about the Canadian seal hunt, which is mainly on the East coast, and concerns populations of harp seal, not ringed seal.


I got lots of pics of all them bud,they do swim back and forth from the arctic to the east coast.
Seals are Seals,were distrupting the flow of nature when they do a cull,why dont peeps see this?
 

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That ice and that seal aren't in the same area or even the same species of seal, but they sure are nice pictures... Kakato has posted a picture of a ringed seal, which has been a dietary staple of the Inuit and other Indigenous peoples of the Arctic for millenia. The article pasted in the OP and this thread are about the Canadian seal hunt, which is mainly on the East coast, and concerns populations of harp seal, not ringed seal.
"The facts and nothing but the fact" Ton.

In the all encompassing picture of the biosphere, the loss of one species has repercussions throughout the whole: the web of life - pluck one filament of the web and reverbarates though the whole web. Extinction is forever. Can we continue down this path without it having adverse affects on our ability to survive on this planet? That is what it all comes down to.
 

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I got lots of pics of all them bud,they do swim back and forth from the arctic to the east coast.
Seals are Seals,were distrupting the flow of nature when they do a cull,why dont peeps see this?

I'm not disputing the fact that culls disrupt the flow of nature. Human caused climate change is disrupting the flow of nature as well. The data from the harp sea whelping grounds is clear; the per cent mortality of the pups is directly associated with the state of the sea ice. We've also disrupted the flow of nature by displacing the predators which feed on these seals, so the culls were an effort to keep the population of harp seals from reaching a size were disease and collapse occur. But now it appears that will be unnecessary.
 

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I'm not disputing the fact that culls disrupt the flow of nature. Human caused climate change is disrupting the flow of nature as well. The data from the harp sea whelping grounds is clear; the per cent mortality of the pups is directly associated with the state of the sea ice. We've also disrupted the flow of nature by displacing the predators which feed on these seals, so the culls were an effort to keep the population of harp seals from reaching a size were disease and collapse occur. But now it appears that will be unnecessary.
More seals= more bears,it all go's in cycles like with the Lemmings,same thing.When Lemmings hit the high spot for population the fox and other animals that feed on them have more young.

When lemmings are at a low and an arctic fox has too many kits she will eat her young.Thats nature balancing things out.

As for climate change,it's happened for millions of years and will continue and there aint a single thing man can do about it.
 

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Unless your going to eat it, I'm against all killing of animals (especially baby ones). Haven't shot at anything alive since leaving the service. Leave it all alone, we are the ones screwing up the balance of nature, yet even so some preditors are finding their way back into the cities and suburbs.

I actually don't see much difference between killing something for sustenance and killing something for shelter against the elements. I don't know to what extent the skin of cows grown for beef can be used for leather. I can imagine that industrial farming can choose either to grow animals so that they have pristine skins or so that they have a lot of meat but not both. It *is* an empirical question, and I am too lazy to look up the answer.

Even grain and vegetable farming causes huge environmental problems.

Is the Canadian seal hunt appropriate or harmful? It is impossible to know with so many emotionally charged individuals clouding any rational inquiry. Mountain lions are far more endangered in the world than seals (and least concern animals at that), yet the minute some parent lets their child play unsupervised and a cat drags it off, people go off and shoot the cat. Shoot the parents, for crying out loud! Emotions just seem to rule these debates.
 

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More seals= more bears,it all go's in cycles like with the Lemmings,same thing.

NO, not all animals go in cycles like lemmings. There aren't too many polar bears on the sea ice around Newfoundland...there used to be more orcas, and more sharks. The keystone species have been displaced/suppressed, which is why the seal population had been growing for such a long time, not cycling up and down.

You are being far too simplistic. There are far more factors that affect the size of a population than just the predator-prey relationship.

As for climate change,it's happened for millions of years and will continue and there aint a single thing man can do about it.

No, climatre change has happened for billions of years. As for what man can do about it, you're also wrong. We're making the atmosphere more opaque to infrared radiation. No amount of denial by you or anyone else can change that fact.

It's going to amd is producing changes in biological systems, that much is also a fact. We're seeing it around the world, and even here at home now.
 

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NO, not all animals go in cycles like lemmings. There aren't too many polar bears on the sea ice around Newfoundland...there used to be more orcas, and more sharks. The keystone species have been displaced/suppressed, which is why the seal population had been growing for such a long time, not cycling up and down.

You are being far too simplistic. There are far more factors that affect the size of a population than just the predator-prey relationship.



No, climatre change has happened for billions of years. As for what man can do about it, you're also wrong. We're making the atmosphere more opaque to infrared radiation. No amount of denial by you or anyone else can change that fact.

It's going to amd is producing changes in biological systems, that much is also a fact. We're seeing it around the world, and even here at home now.
The whaleing industry has a lot to do with why you dont see as many south anymore.More Belugas=more killer whales= less predation on seals,couple years and it starts to balance out again.The seals dont have killer whales eating them they will populate like rabbits who are also cyclical.

Climate change-there is an ice age coming and theres nothing you or anyone alive can do about it.