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CapsuleNeo

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At the same time. The focus was really on Adam to the exclusion of all else coming off season 8. It's not Adam's fault but it is the fault of 19. They hold a competition, ask the public to watch, vote and invest and then at the end of the competition discard the results. It happened the year Taylor won, and it happened season 8. Now I would have wanted Chris to win that season, but when you disregard the person that wins, it creates the feeling in the audience that if they don't like him why should I? Plus, although Adam is a new artist as well, he's also a new artist with a LOT of connections to people in LA.
I don't think 19E is disregarding Kris. Kris twice performed on the season 9 of American Idol and he was featured in Ford commercials. Kris has been getting the promotion and support as the Idol winner properly and I don't see Kris being treated like Taylor Hicks. Taylor was not promoted properly at all. Do you know that his label didn't even make a music video of any of his singles? 8O They must have really thought Taylor was terribly unmarketable and didn't want to invest in him. Either that or he did something really massive to piss them off, but it'd have to be something big for them to pass off on a chance of reaping any profit whatsoever from him. I don't think Adam gets the media attention because of 19E. Remember he appeared on the cover of Entertainment Weeky while the show was still going on. No one paid them to make him a cover boy.
 

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Okay, maybe not Taylor level ignoring, :) but they certainly never pimped Kris when they could pimp Adam.

I don't think Adam gets the media attention because of 19E. Remember he appeared on the cover of Entertainment Weeky while the show was still going on. No one paid them to make him a cover boy.

No they didn't, but having a story for them to sell certainly didn't hurt :) - both Entertainment Weekly and Rollingstone focused on that. And, 19 did help Adam get media - that's their job afterall. I don't blame them for that at all. But when you have 3 people from one season releasing product all around the same time, something is going to give. (and that was Allison sadly). I don't blame Adam for the media wanting to talk to him, but I wish that the show and 19 had given Kris the same opportunity to show the audience his personality -- which he has in spades BTW -- that they gave others.

But whatever that's so 2000-and late to quote the ever quotable Black Eyed Peas.

Kris is making and playing music that I want to listen to, buying puppies, the world is spinning - it's all good.

Kris Allen in LA - Special guests - American Idol
 

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I was thinking more about AWM when I wrote that radio was hesitant to play. It wasn't sent for ads which I agree is a problem with radio knowing it's available, but radio could have played it at anytime, they don't need the ads date.

I'm pretty sure that without an adds date, the kinds of stations you mean, which are arms of big, corporate entities like CBS - the Mix stations, the Kiss stations, etc. - just don't play songs. I've read this a few places and I believe it. I don't think it's about being hesitant to play that song - they just have policies in place. If the label doesn't believe in the song enough to prepare an adds date for it, the station probably will ignore it. It's like movie theatres. The big chains here in New England only play the usual Hollywood product. All of it is expensiveley promoed and advertised, so the theatre chain is booking a product that is almost gauaranteed to bring customers into the theatre. They don't take chances on stuff that is not 100% backed by the studio or the distributor, or whatever. These radio stations follow a similar policy with music, I believe. They play corporate-backed music because that music will be pushed by the label, and it will take off, and make the station money in advertising dollars. In my opinion this is why there is such junk on the radio. I know you happen to like a lot of this music, so no offense. But most of it is meant to be pushed on undiscriminating kids who want simple tunes and a beat. Because they're the ones that buy all the stuff that the stations advertise. Most of this music has been market tested to that demographic by the labels so all that work has been done in advance. It's all about sales. You (label) present me (radio station) with a product (song). I sell that product to the audience, and you get record sales out of it while I get advertising sales.

Personally, I think Kris can do well in pop but I don't really think he belongs there because he's a creative artist and he belongs where he doesn't have to just be a product making music that's a product. In other times, good singers and/or songwriters, like him, flourished in the pop field, because it was a more human business and radio was altogether different. Today, I don't know. I know he can be a success in Top 40 pop, he's proven he can do that. But is that what he wants? Time will tell, I guess.

I don't think Zorro looks real happy to be taking a bath, does he? lol

It's not Adam's fault that Kris can't even sell out a 1,000 seat venue in the US. The problem I see is that he is never able to go out and connect with audiences in way where he could build a strong fan base. An IDOL needs to have star quality, charisma. At some point, he has to take some responsibility for his failures. You can't just keep acting like it's always someone else's fault.

You always seem to be responding to things I never said. In this way you remind me a lot of a troll on the Kris thread on TWoP, and I wonder if you're the same person. Are you?

I don't think I mentioned selling out or not selling out venues. This is not a big concern of mine. I don't want to get into arguments about whether Kris has charisma or star quality. Or Adam, for that matter. Because you say tomato, and I say tomahto. We all know that a lot of people all over the world are attracted to both these people, so the whole thing is dumb.

As for current levels of success. Well, show business is a funny, awkward, bizarre business. Just be a little humble once in a while and realize that success and fame in this business can sometimes be here today, gone tomorrow. Enjoy it while it lasts, because it may not.

Sorry about my rant, yesterday - I was upset, and it was 3:00 am. lol

That kind of thing I don't really care about. He didn't beat the photographer up, he grabbed for the camera - In a grandma hat. Pot smoking -- whatever. If I thought he truly had a drug problem that's a whole different story, but I probably still wouldn't care - that's his business. I don't see Adam as being the wild child of Rock n' roll. He's just not. I've spent a lot of time following INXS since Rockstar. And JD is a lot wilder, and I wouldn't even classify him as all that wild in the scheme of things... now the guys in INXS back in the day .. that's another story. LOL

Well, I think that's just it. I don't think of him that way, either. I just don't believe anything he does, like that. It's not authentic. But I forget what my point was anyway.

I've noticed that a lot of Kris fans can't talk about Kris without having to disparage Adam.
I talk about Kris all the time without disparaging Adam. All the time. I go on for pages about Kris without bringing Adam into it at all. I think it's the other way around, actually. I can't disparage Adam without bringing Kris into it. I'll have to work on that. :)

YouTube - Kris Allen - Come Together (Temecula).wmv
 
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You always seem to be responding to things I never said. In this way you remind me a lot of a troll on the Kris thread on TWoP, and I wonder if you're the same person. Are you?
Sorry to disappoint, but I don't even visit Kris threads. I'm not that interested in him. I think you need to stop thinking anyone who disagree with your opinion and dare to say negative things about Kris must be a "troll" . Trolls are the ones who hate Adam yet they spend a lot of time on searching Adam news, pictures, videos, etc. and writing the same old hateful crap about him. You can find those sad trolls at VFTW and TopIdol :lol:.

I don't think I mentioned selling out or not selling out venues. This is not a big concern of mine. I don't want to get into arguments about whether Kris has charisma or star quality. Or Adam, for that matter. Because you say tomato, and I say tomahto. We all know that a lot of people all over the world are attracted to both these people, so the whole thing is dumb.
What was your bitter rant? It seems like you can not understand why people don't see the specialness of your Idol .
 

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CapsuleNeo, you have a right to your opinions.

I think we usually get along here because we accept each other's different opinions and don't try to change each others' minds. And because missaddicted and SleepinIn are willing to accept my orneriness. lol. They know my bark is a lot worse than my bite and that I'm actually a nice guy (at least, I think they know that.)

I can't be expected to like everyone in the Idol world. When I state an opinion about a performer you happen to like, I'm not attacking you, personally. It's not my business to tell you how to post, but it would be nice if we could all be friends.

It seems like you can not understand why people don't see the specialness of your Idol .

Who says people don't see the specialness of "my" Idol? I think most people seem to. I'm not complaining about that.

Anyway, your reaction seems to be based on similar feelings, isn't it? Because I don't see the specialness of "your" Idol?

So let's agree to disagree. We are never going to see eye to eye on this issue. Is it that you want me to stop saying anything negative about Adam? I don't know if I can do that. I have to be myself. So what do you suggest we do about that? I'm willing to listen.

ETA, just becaue it might be interesting, I happen to live in an the Boston area, where three of Adam's concerts took place fairly close together, this summer. Here's the schedule for Hampton Beach Casino Ballroom for 2010.

Hampton Beach Casino Ballroom Concerts, Events, New Hampshire's Premiere Entertainment Venue

The thing to remember is that when there's an official tour, the artist gets a large amount of publicity from the venue itself. For instance, my mom gets a flier from the Cape Cod Melody Tent, and all the acts that are coming are listed, with artwork. This is one of the places Adam's tour stopped this summer. These places give their patrons plenty of notice about what's coming, and they actively advertise in the mail, in all the papers, on the radio, on TV, etc. In addition, there are quite a few season ticket holders. This is not to take away from Adam's ability to attract crowds, but, playing these types of venues (which are popular with both tourists and locals) on a summer tour is a pretty good bet for attracting a crowd.

This is absolutely nothing like Kris and his band not being on any kind of official tour last summer and then doing the occasional, not heavily publicized headlining concert. There's simply no comparison. There is not the same level of publicity, and there is not the tour momentum and word of mouth.

I can't answer to the "thousand seat venues" thing becuase frankly I have no idea what specific venues are being referenced. Kris has opened for so many people in so many different venues of all sizes. I don't keep score of what sells out or not. I don't think it has much to do with charisma or star quality. I can only add that a local reviewer of one of Adam's shows on the Cape pointed out that Aretha Franklin hadn't sold out her concert the previous night. And we all know Aretha has no charisma or star quality. Zero. I don't know how she ever made it. lol
 
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I'm pretty sure that without an adds date, the kinds of stations you mean, which are arms of big, corporate entities like CBS - the Mix stations, the Kiss stations, etc. - just don't play songs. I've read this a few places and I believe it. I don't think it's about being hesitant to play that song - they just have policies in place. If the label doesn't believe in the song enough to prepare an adds date for it, the station probably will ignore it. It's like movie theatres. The big chains here in New England only play the usual Hollywood product,

Exactly the corporate entity (like CBS radio etc.) would have to sign on. And the majority probably wouldn't without an ads date I'd agree with that.

I know you happen to like a lot of this music, so no offense.

LOL - None taken :) I like what I like - no apologies.

They know my bark is a lot worse than my bite and that I'm actually a nice guy (at least, I think they know that.)

We absolutely do. You can like what you like - no apologies.

I don't think Zorro looks real happy to be taking a bath, does he? lol

LOL - he's so tiny. I just want to scoop him up.

Just to add, I'm always willing to listen to anything about any other Idol, I may not be following them so I may not know anything about what they're doing but it could be interesting.

You know what I'm finding interesting? Now that there are so many former Idol contestants, there are a lot of industry connections that are forming between them - I find that fascinating to watch. They are going to be their own industry if they aren't already.

Kris's t-shirt design is uncoloured! - it looks really cool.
 

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Oh, yeah - I want to see that design uncolored. I was hoping for that. (Where can I see it?) Kris is smart about this stuff. (Those colors were not great.) I just read a tweet from someone (a kid, not a diehard fan) who said Kris's merch is "lush." Referring to the t-shirt, mainly. That's awesome.

I was just reading Adam's "I deserve it" comments about the Grammy. In The Hollywood Reporter. I didn't care for them, to be honest. I do try to like this guy but I guess it's just not possible for me. He doesn't win me over at all with his style.

Adam Lambert on His Grammy Nomination: 'I Earned My Success' - The Hollywood Reporter

I listened to the radio interview with Kris. I'm getting tired of his fans over-hyping everything, as well. Supposedly "hilarious" interview. It was okay, humorous - mostly it was the DJ who was trying to be the wit. One thing that I thought was bad was when the guy asked him if he had a full band there and Kris said, "I wish." It sounded like he doesn't have a band. He should have said, "I have a great band, they aren't along on this trip," or something.

(I don't know how these decisions are made, but I miss the band, that's for sure. I haven't even seen the videos, but I miss them anyway.)

Oh, no, are we going back to divas who sing a lot of runs? Soooo 2005.

No More Mr. Mean Guy: American Idol Makes Nice - E! Online

CalumRennie @KrisAllen just killed it! Killed! Murdered! Done! Signed, sealed, delivered! Okay... I'm done. But really, so great.

(I guess this guy didn't get the "no charisma" memo.)
 

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T-shirt:

Kris Allen's photos - Got a new shirt for you guys. There is something represent each song from the album. See if you can find em all. | Plixi

I didn't love the I deserve it interview either, but who knows what he said or the tone in which he said it. (was it audio? - because I just read it.) That kind of stuff can be taken out of context and overblown. I mean it wasn't horrible, but eeeh...

And I didn't find the 'hilarious' interview all that funny either. I actually thought the Dj was being a twit. But whatever. It's press.

Save me from Divas. Seriously. DNW.
 

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Here's a good review of Hedley (Jake and Dave), Crystal, and others, from the Napa Valley Register, for LITV.

'Live in the Vineyard' roster ranged from Bowersox to Blunt, Bedingfield to Zac Brown

Now Hedley will be playing in the neighboring valley, the Sonoma Valley, when they play that radio concert with Kris. I wonder if they picked up any fans in Napa who will follow them over to Santa Rosa to see them again?

 

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Did I mention my friend's sister lives in Santa Rosa? I've been there. I love Sonoma county. (I know I've mentioned that before.)

I didn't love the I deserve it interview either, but who knows what he said or the tone in which he said it. (was it audio? - because I just read it.) That kind of stuff can be taken out of context and overblown. I mean it wasn't horrible, but eeeh...

I guess you're right. Well, let's say: I hope you're right, because that seemed kind of like a glimpse into the head of a chillingly calculating person. (Plus, the Idol stigma talk, and the talk about building a fan base. Something about it was off-putting. Oh, well. I just wanted to read about a guy being thrilled, I guess.)

And I didn't find the 'hilarious' interview all that funny either. I actually thought the Dj was being a twit. But whatever. It's press.

The whole punching Daughtry thing was dumb. I don't know what else. All of it.

Save me from Divas. Seriously. DNW

Thanks.

I think they do need to show some excitement in the ads, but I can't listen to that kind of singing all season. Did you notice they were all loud, as well? Yeeesh. (Someone said the torso w/guitar at the end of the second clip is Kris. lol. What do you think?)

Hansen - I noticed that, too. :)
 

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Kris talks about acoustic version of Before We Come Undone on the telethon website (?) and also putting a version up for the fans. Love. I still listen to this version

YouTube - Kris Allen - Before We Come Undone - Live Acoustic @ Mix 94.1 Las Vegas

The Lyrics are actually a good fit for Alzheimers.

Also this one.

YouTube - Kris Allen - Before We Come Undone (acoustic) at the Grammy Museum, Los Angeles, 104.3 MyFM


I think they do need to show some excitement in the ads, but I can't listen to that kind of singing all season.

Okay they can have one diva. Actually a mix of styles would be a good thing. I just don't want to listen to Diva-polooza. Or buy the music, but for the show it's not a bad thing to have something for everyone.

The whole punching Daughtry thing was dumb. I don't know what else. All of it.

Do not punch Daughtry. Daughtry could eat him for breakfast. Plus - they're friends.
 

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Kris does all right with some of these fool DJs. He just stays laid back, tries to go along to get along, never commits himself too much to what they try to get him into. Just enough. He's accommodating. It must be hard because while they're mostly just hometown celebs who operate in a small sphere, and don't really have to be too careful what they say, Kris basically has to be seen and judged by the world.

BWCU is not one of my favorite songs overall, but I bet he kills it nowadays. Since this isn't a live telethon, is it that they aren't showing the performance of BWCU, only LLWD? That's what I seem to be hearing.

Kris talks about acoustic version of Before We Come Undone on the telethon website (?) and also putting a version up for the fans.

Where are you reading this? Have you a linque, perchance?

ETA: When I re-read Adam's Hollywood Reporter interview, he seemed less "chillingly calculating" to me, but I think it still comes across pompous. Granted it may be how they choose to play it.
 

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Yeah pretty sure they'll only play LLWD

linkage:

Al Roker Hosts Alzheimer’s Foundation of America Telethon | OK! Magazine - The First for Celebrity News

Kris and his bandmate Cale Mills will perform an acoustic version of Kris’ hit song, “Live Like We’re Dying” for the show. “And we’re going to do ‘Before We Come Undone’ which is going to be online,” Kris reveals. “We do a nice acoustic version of it. We’re also going to give the fans an acoustic version of the song soon. Maybe put it up on the website or on iTunes for free. They’ll love that.”

Yes, we will Kris, yes we will.
 

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So, Canadians, did you get this telethon there? Or do you get American stations?

I just got in, but I had taped it, so I just watched it. It was great to hear Kris through my TV speakers. He sounded so amazingly good. His interpretation of the song was great. Heartfelt.

His sense of rhythm is so good.

ETA. SleepinIn, let me ask you sumthin. If I search Kris (let's just say), on twitter, and I click on a link, when I go back to twitter, it takes me right back to the first page of tweets. It doesn't take me back to the last tweet I was viewing. Is there anything I can do about this?

AOL posted LLWD from Wallingford.

Kris Allen Live Like We?re Dying at the 96.5 TIC C... - AOL Video

So Kris is playing a Dolphins pre-game again. This time without the band, unfortunately (though he's just as good - but I think the band works well for a football pre-game show). Guess what? I was in Newbury Comics today and saw a concert DVD for Reel Big Fish (with Ryland on the cover). I don't think it was too recent - not sure - but Ryland looked younger. I also saw a live-performance DVD for David Gray, and some other not-exactly-superstars, and it made me think having a performance DVD for Kris would not be as far-fetched as perhaps I originally thought.

Before the show last night:

http://twitpic.com/3cyanr
 

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I do get NBC, but unfortunately neither of the two NBC stations that our cable package has played the telethon. At least it wasn't in the listings. I did watch the videos of LLWD and BWCU online. So good! And great to get acoustic versions without background crowd noise - lol

I didn't see Elmo get excited for Kris though so if you run across that... help me out.

Performance DVD would be awesome. And I agree it's not out of the realm of possibility especially these days.

I kinda wanted full band for Miami just to see the changes since their first gig together there.

I don't know how to make the twitter go back to previous tweets if you click a link that's why I usually open another window to view instead of just clicking.
 

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I don't think the telethon aired here either.

I'm in a hurry, but I just wanted to say that I love that acoustic version of BWCU! But of course, it's still one of my favorites from the album, so it's no surprise!
 

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I haven't watched BWCU. Guess I'll have to do that.

Meanwhile, Lee is at Mechanics Hall in Worcester tonight, with Train.

This was a year ago (per MJ):

Oh man! I had so much fun at last night’s WXLO Acoustic Christmas show in Worcester MA! The venue was gorgeous, I had 7th row seats and Kris Allen and band put on a kick-ass show.
The rest of the bill, Joshua Radin, Ingrid Michaelson and Bare Naked Ladies were pretty awesome too, though I was pretty fatigued by the end of the 4 hour concert.
My only quibble? In an acoustic environment–tone down that bass boys.
Favorite song of the night: The clappy/happy “It’s Alright”. Honorable mention: The lovely, jazzy, “Chestnuts Roasting Over an Open Fire”.
Kris performed 7 songs: “Heartless/Gangster’s Paradise”, “Can’t Stay Away”, “Is It Over”, “Alright With Me”, “Man in the Mirror”, “Christmas Song”, and “Live Like We’re Dying”

MJ really did love AWM.

Interestingly, last year's show billed on the hall's home page as:

Starring
KRIS ALLEN
2009 American Idol Winner
BARENAKED LADIES
INGRID MICHAELSON
JOSHUA RADIN

Link: Mechanics Hall

This year, the show is:

Starring
TRAIN

WITH
GUSTER
STEVEN PAGE (formerly of Barenaked Ladies),
American Idol winner LEE DEWYZE
AND
FIVE FOR FIGHTING

Link: Mechanics Hall

I'm reading tweets that Lizzie wants to change the new t shirt colors, thinks it's ugly. I like it. It's a t shirt I would actually wear (unlike the others so far). I'm gonna tweet her. And maybe Kris. (Unfortunately, her own t shirt designs give me no faith in her creative ability.)
 
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It's so weird about Train. Somehow they have this massive hit and suddenly everybody seems to mock them. Before they were just kind of obscure and respectable. A lot of people make fun of Pat being 41 and acting like a rock star, taking off his shirt, etc. Have you noticed this?

Anyhow...this is a sequence of tweets from House Of Blues (Orlando) tonight - from someone named "Hansongirl":

Kris Allen is opening this one show. That live like you're dying guy. So weird.

I take back 1% of the bad things I've ever said about American Idol. Kris Allen is pretty good... and gorgeous.

Um. Ok. I love him.

LOL! (Then she looked him up and followed him on twitter.)

Kris backstage with Goo Goo Dolls:

http://ow.ly/i/68gl/original

Some great pics from the Dolphins gig:

http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/S...jwFhb-8hfic2cYLj__Hrvciv8qb9fwCmw_BYLQUAAA..#

This one is pretty awesome:

 
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