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Quote your source please.......the Canadian murder rate has NEVER been anywhere close to as low as o.47 per 100,000....in fact, it is 4 times that.....

The Swiss rate quoted is low as well, and the Swiss are the heaviest armed people on earth.......every male keeps a fully automatic rifle at home until his years of military service are done, then he can have it converted to semi-automatic and keep it as a personal weapon...........

Of course, the military weapons kept at home during service are not counted as weapons personally owned.........still, the Swiss rank third in the world for PRIVATE firearms ownership, with 46 guns per 100 people.

That fact speaks for itself.
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The numbers I gave were from 1992 and it wasn't murder rate it was gun murder rate.

Sorry, it didn't come out well when I posted it....I'm in Montreal and doing this from my BB.

On the Swiss....do they or do they not have gun control?

I'm not talking about banning guns....you know that as I am a gun owner but one that is willing to have hoops to go through to get one.
 
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But you're right. for a defensive army, the Swiss model is highly effective. Transform a country into a wasp nest, and few will dare venture in.
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....not to mention they just don't fight in wars....just stand on the sidelines and watch.
 
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The numbers I gave were from 1992 and it wasn't murder rate it was gun murder rate.

Sorry, it didn't come out well when I posted it....I'm in Montreal and doing this from my BB.

On the Swiss....do they or do they not have gun control?

I'm not talking about banning guns....you know that as I am a gun owner but one that is willing to have hoops to go through to get one.
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Oh yeah, they do have gun control.....

I gotta go to work, so I have to duck out of this now....let's just say the Swiss controls are very very lax compared to Canada's.....and stricter than those in the USA.
 
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The numbers I gave were from 1992 and it wasn't murder rate it was gun murder rate.

Sorry, it didn't come out well when I posted it.

On the Swiss....do they or do they not have gun control?

I'm not talking about banning guns....you know that as I am a gun owner but one that is willing to have hopes to go through to get one.
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In Switzerland, all males between certain ages and meeting certain minimum standards of health, etc. are required by law to join the army. Those who don't for reasons other than medical must pay an extra 3% income tax every year for so many years if I remember correctly.

Also, with the exception of some border towns, all soldiers must keep their weapon at home. In addition to this, the country must maintain nuclear bomb shelter for the entire population. Persons who have their own shelter that meets building requirements may pay less tax, depending on circumstances. Otherwise, the local government is responsible to ensure there are enough shelters for every member of the community, minus those that have their own.

At the moment, there are enough shelters, beds, underground clinics and hospitals, etc. for 115% of the population.

So while Switzerland's offensive capabilities may be limited, its defensive capabilities are second to none. And again, not bad when they spend only about 2.5% of their GDP on the military. In the US, they spend about 6 or 7% if not more, yet still don't have that kind of defensive capability. Though, granted, their offensive capabilities are second to none.

But personally, I'd prefer the ability to preserve my a$$ than to just take another person's. Of what use is taking his if I can't save mine.
 
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The numbers I gave were from 1992 and it wasn't murder rate it was gun murder rate.

Sorry, it didn't come out well when I posted it....I'm in Montreal and doing this from my BB.

On the Swiss....do they or do they not have gun control?

I'm not talking about banning guns....you know that as I am a gun owner but one that is willing to have hoops to go through to get one.
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The Swiss have gun control: Switzerland has one of the highest militia gun ownership rates in the world,
they have Sig rifles and Sig-Sauer handguns. When militia retire their automatic weapons are rendered to semi-auto or single-fire. I think that's about it. Like I said, it's the attitude, not the laws.
 
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....not to mention they just don't fight in wars....just stand on the sidelines and watch.
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Which allows them to save their military equipment for when they really need it.

Or if we want a more active force, then maybe the Swedish model is a better example. It's similar to the Swiss one, but Sweden does have a slightly bigger professional force that is very much involved in UN operations. In fact, just in the last few years, Sweden has brought some of its soldiers back from Afghanistan in body bags, just like we have. The only difference is that they are strictly under UN control, though I'm not sure of the details of their mission there.
 
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....not to mention they just don't fight in wars....just stand on the sidelines and watch.
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That says something about people who like to mind their own business and expect others to do the same.
 
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I could see a blend of the Swiss, Swedish, and former German models. In Germany during the Cold War (I don't know about the situation now), they could skirt around the problem of conscientious objection by giving a choice between military service and civil service. Sweden has a citizen-army like Switzerland's except that it has a slightly larger professional force since it is more involved that Switzerland in UN missions. We could say that while Switzerland is more of an isolationist country, Sweden is more of a neutrally involved country.
 
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The Swiss have gun control: Switzerland has one of the highest militia gun ownership rates in the world,
they have Sig rifles and Sig-Sauer handguns. When militia retire their automatic weapons are rendered to semi-auto or single-fire. I think that's about it. Like I said, it's the attitude, not the laws.
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You are correct of course and they do a good job of teaching respect for weapons and aren't as fanatical about guns as I have seen in the US and yes before some YJ jerk comes along I have been to both countries.

Also, I dare say and this always gets me into trouble....ethnics plays an issue here as well.
 
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That says something about people who like to mind their own business and expect others to do the same.
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It's actually a good attitude. We welcome anyone to our soil. But depending on how you come, we can greet you with a smile or with a firefight. The choice is yours.
 
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Which allows them to save their military equipment for when they really need it.

Or if we want a more active force, then maybe the Swedish model is a better example. It's similar to the Swiss one, but Sweden does have a slightly bigger professional force that is very much involved in UN operations. In fact, just in the last few years, Sweden has brought some of its soldiers back from Afghanistan in body bags, just like we have. The only difference is that they are strictly under UN control, though I'm not sure of the details of their mission there.
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I was reffering to WWII, the war we needed to fight, not the BS we are involved in today.
 
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To be fair though, Switzerland is also relatively more social democratic than the US in terms of education, etc. which means people get the education they need to stand on their own two feet. In the US, if you can't afford any kind of post-compulsory education, and you find yourself in a recession, and all you own is a pistol, then you could quickly see it as your source of income.
 
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I was reffering to WWII, the war we needed to fight, not the BS we are involved in today.
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Had all countries neighbouring the Fatherland had the same kind of citizen-force Switzerland had, Hitler would never have gone far.

I guess the Swiss figured: that'll teach 'em.
 
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According to wikki the homicide rate in 2008 is 5.4 per 100,000 in the US and in Canada it's 1.83.

Haven't found crime stats yet.
 
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