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gerryh

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Um, tables don't translate too well into CanConese. lol
I think it's a matter of attitude. I think more Canadians (per capita) consider firearms to be tools rather than weapons and people in the States think the other way around, In Switzerland the things are considered strictly as tools only to be brought out of the cabinet when required. In Japan, I think they've had enough of killing and are mortified by it. I don't think laws have anything to do with the issue farther than reflecting the populations attitude.


Ok.... you've had your say....that's enough. Go play somewhere else like a good little girl.
 

Machjo

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Quote your source please.......the Canadian murder rate has NEVER been anywhere close to as low as o.47 per 100,000....in fact, it is 4 times that.....

The Swiss rate quoted is low as well, and the Swiss are the heaviest armed people on earth.......every male keeps a fully automatic rifle at home until his years of military service are done, then he can have it converted to semi-automatic and keep it as a personal weapon...........

Of course, the military weapons kept at home during service are not counted as weapons personally owned.........still, the Swiss rank third in the world for PRIVATE firearms ownership, with 46 guns per 100 people.

That fact speaks for itself.

Good points. Switzerland is a very good example, especially since it avoids cheap counter-accusations that you're just a copycat of the US way.;-)
 

AnnaG

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He does come across as intelligent though. I get the impression that he's not that ignorant, but rather just too lazy or prejudiced to restrain himself from cheap shots at another country as a means of arguing without having to dig up a bunch of facts.

I don't get the impression he's so stupid as to actually believe what he writes here, but rather that he's just trying to be manipulative, though it irritates me just as much if not more so. Ignorance can be forgiven. Willful manipulation is, well, willful, intentional, premeditated.
I think it's a balanced mix. It's why he's wrong so often. What's so funny to me is that he seems to take pride in annoying people. That's not terribly harmful, but it is pathological.
 

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Good points. Switzerland is a very good example, especially since it avoids cheap counter-accusations that you're just a copycat of the US way.;-)

Yeah...it kinda does work out....:)

Anna is correct....culture is the key.

Gun control is useless.
 

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I actually like the Swiss model to a degree.

It has some flaws of course in that a citizen-army is not as effective as a professional army when fighting beyond its borders, and Switzerland's professional army for the most part consists of teachers to teach the citizen-army.

That said, it's likely among the most effective defensive forces in the world, at only about 2.5% of GDP, so it's an efficient and cost-effective one too.
 

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"When have you been patient with me, YJ? And again, why are you speaking in code words, like diversity? Why not say what is on your mind, that you think that USA has high crime rate because it has too many blacks and too many Hispanics?"

Once again, sentence by sentence, paragraph by paragraph, a skill I learned as an immigrant, whose second language is English, (and you so often and so gleefully emphasize and repeat) let me go over it for you.

If I haven't been patient with you, maybe it is because you have always been less than patient, even condescening, patronizing and intolerant, not only with me but with anyone and EVERYONE who have or ever had the unmitigated nerve to disagree with you.

The word "DIVERSITY" is the most often used, and most favourite word of liberals like you, BUT only when it suits your arguments. You have the nerve to accuse me of using "code words"? How about you using "REDNECK", "EXTREMIST", and all the other words you are so free and liberal to use?

I DID speak my mind. I asked you to look at the statistics. I asked you to compare the number of perpartators and victims. Only in the mind of a racist hypocrite can that be construed as racist or anything else liberal racists bandy about.

Did I have any reference to the number of blacks or Hispanics? Or was uit just your imagination? Weighed down with a gigantic chip on your shoulder?
 

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Yeah...it kinda does work out....:)

Anna is correct....culture is the key.

Gun control is useless.

I wouldn't say useless, but I think it may have gone overboard. Clearly if you're buying an automatic rifle or an anti-tank weapon and say it's for hunting purposes, it might raise a few eyebrows, and rightfully so, unless you could argue your case for such a weapon for hunting purposes.

Bad aim?:lol:
 

gerryh

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Okay....fair enough.

Total crimes statistics - countries compared - NationMaster

USA....11.9 million crimes

Canada.....2.5 million crimes.

As the USA has ten times the population......that means Canada has twice the crime rate the USA does.

O.....MY....GAWD..... can you be anymore misleading or wrong Colpy? From your own stats page....click on the per capita tag..... us has 80 per 1000 and Canada has 75 per 1000.

Come on, I KNOW you can do better than this.
 

Colpy

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and the world now is not the world in 1900. We, as citizens, have far more access to information than at any time in History.

And your point???? :)

Doesn't seem to slow the concentration of power in the PMO's office in Canada......and please DON'T assume I am advocating manning the barricades just yet........:)

BTW, "fearful" is not a word people usually use to describe me. I am not "fear-mongering", I am simply trying to defend an ancient individual right that has existed for good reason since we came out of the trees......the right to have power, to be independent, the right to the tools of force, the tools of self-defense, the right to keep arms. The knowledge that you can not be coerced by any power on earth with impunity. It, as Thomas Jefferson indicated, leaves one with a completely different mind set.
 

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What friends? You talkin about me and that drunk, wagon burnin, government teat suckin, half breed? ROFLMFAO
Then of course the argument is strengthened by attacks on my race. Now there's a well thought out strategy...:roll:
 

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I actually like the Swiss model to a degree.

It has some flaws of course in that a citizen-army is not as effective as a professional army when fighting beyond its borders, and Switzerland's professional army for the most part consists of teachers to teach the citizen-army.

That said, it's likely among the most effective defensive forces in the world, at only about 2.5% of GDP, so it's an efficient and cost-effective one too.
Besides the fact that not many people have either
1. not enough resources (too far away to bother, not enough hardware, not enough manpower, etc.)
2. that every man, woman, kid, dog, cat, cow, and gerbil would be pointing a firearm back at you if you wanted to do a nasty on Switzerland.
3. it rains too much there

Um, btw, folks, Nationmasters stats need more frequent updating. Some of them go back almost 10 years.
 

gerryh

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Then of course the argument is strengthened by attacks on my race. Now there's a well thought out strategy...:roll:

I was just askin what friend he was talkin about...... wanting clarification.
 

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O.....MY....GAWD..... can you be anymore misleading or wrong Colpy? From your own stats page....click on the per capita tag..... us has 80 per 1000 and Canada has 75 per 1000.

Come on, I KNOW you can do better than this.

INTERESTING!!!! No, I hadn't clicked the "per capita".........there is a flaw somewhere! Somebody can't do math, and mine is good.....hmmmm....

Back to the drawing board.
 

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Besides the fact that not many people have either
1. not enough resources (too far away to bother, not enough hardware, not enough manpower, etc.)
2. that every man, woman, kid, dog, cat, cow, and gerbil would be pointing a firearm back at you if you wanted to do a nasty on Switzerland.
3. it rains too much there

Um, btw, folks, Nationmasters stats need more frequent updating. Some of them go back almost 10 years.

And of course the mountains help too.
 

Machjo

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But you're right. for a defensive army, the Swiss model is highly effective. Transform a country into a wasp nest, and few will dare venture in.
 

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I wouldn't say useless, but I think it may have gone overboard. Clearly if you're buying an automatic rifle or an anti-tank weapon and say it's for hunting purposes, it might raise a few eyebrows, and rightfully so, unless you could argue your case for such a weapon for hunting purposes.

Bad aim?:lol:

No....RPG's for bunnies just saves all that bothersome cleaning process......and it is still fun.