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JLM

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SirJosephPorter, it is truly difficult to be patient with you.

Have you taken a look at the statistics about perpetrators and victims?

Have you bothered to compare the numbers to data collected by census?

Or are you just - as usual - putting words in the mouth of those who don't happen to be as sickeningly politically correct as you?

Y.J. You'd make better use of your time pounding sand in a rat hole.
 

JLM

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Oddly enough, if our friend was camped out with the Militias in North Dakota, he would be considerably safer than he would be in Canada.

The murder rate in North Dakota in 2008 (the latest year available) was 0.5 per
100,000. The murder rate in Canada in the same year was 1.8 per 100,000.....

In North Dakota, any law-abiding citizen MUST be issued a license to carry a handgun concealed upon request. There is no licensing to own any firearm,
no restriction on so-called "assault" rifles, 30 round mags for semi-autos are okay, the state scores 4 out of a possible 100 on Sarah Brady's gun "safety" scale.....

Murder rate one third that of Canada.

Perhaps you best re-think your arrogant assumptions... :)

Now, finally I believe we are getting somewhere with this. Population density has a lot more to do with murder rate than any stupid f******g gun laws. North Dakota's pop. density is close to that of much of Canada. Where the density is too high you have an abundance of crime and where it is too low you have a high crime rate (probably from seeing the same people too often) Ten people per square mile is a comfortable density- anything under 50 is livable.
 

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Cool, same old stuff being hashed out that was in the last gun control thread.

So, I guess I'll reiterate my points, too, then:
1. Banning is a stupid idea because it won't work on crooks
2. The latest gun legislation (firearms registry) turned hard-working, honest, law-abiding ranchers, hunters, farmers into criminals
3. It didn't do anything it was supposed to do
4. Thoughtless, kneejerk legislation is nothing except harmful
5. It is profoundly expensive.

Hey Anna- you're wasting your time- anyone with half an ounce of brains already knows that and the ones who don't never will. Sorry to P*ss on your parade. :lol::lol::lol:
 

AnnaG

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Now, finally I believe we are getting somewhere with this. Population density has a lot more to do with murder rate than any stupid f******g gun laws. North Dakota's pop. density is close to that of much of Canada. Where the density is too high you have an abundance of crime and where it is too low you have a high crime rate (probably from seeing the same people too often) Ten people per square mile is a comfortable density- anything under 50 is livable.
Japan? Density = 337/km² Canada = 3.2 USA = 32 (approximately)
 

Avro

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Thanks for the concise and direct answer. Forget it.



What's so hard about it....alright I'll do it for you then.

The U.S., as stated on Nation Master has a total of 11,877,218 crimes and Canada has a total of 2,516,918. However if you look at the numbers per 1000 people the US is at 80.0645 and Canada is at 75.4921, now given that the U.S. has about ten times the population how is this lower number possible?
 

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I'd be curious. Any reliable comparison between Switzerland and Canada?

That could be an interesting one, seeing that many Swiss homes have automatic rifles in them.

Of course other factors would need to be taken into account, such as education and other aspects of the Swiss social safety net or other aspects of Swiss society that could account for it.
 

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No one needs hand guns. Hunting rifles are ok, as long as they are used for the reason they exist and are stored safely. The less firepower around the better.
 

AnnaG

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What's so hard about it....alright I'll do it for you then.

The U.S., as stated on Nation Master has a total of 11,877,218 crimes and Canada has a total of 2,516,918. However if you look at the numbers per 1000 people the US is at 80.0645 and Canada is at 75.4921, now given that the U.S. has about ten times the population how is this lower number possible?
Was that so hard?
As I said, however, Nationmaster stats are sometimes 10 years out of date.
The links I posted were recent.
 

Avro

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Was that so hard?
As I said, however, Nationmaster stats are sometimes 10 years out of date.
The links I posted were recent.

No, it wasn't hard at all, seems it was for you.

They still don't add up, outdated or not, your links don't give a total for crime overall.

At least I didn't see one....perhaps I missed it.
 

gerryh

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Was that so hard?
As I said, however, Nationmaster stats are sometimes 10 years out of date.
The links I posted were recent.

The link you posted was the same stats that Colpy posted. Only difference was your page showed no tabs and Colpy's page showed tabbed stats. Same numbers on both and that's where the problem is. Nationmaster did NOT check their stats and that, in my opinion, casts a shadow on any stats they they may provide.
 

DaSleeper

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INTERESTING!!!! No, I hadn't clicked the "per capita".........there is a flaw somewhere! Somebody can't do math, and mine is good.....hmmmm....

Back to the drawing board.
And clicking on that tab brought very interesting crime rates
Rank Countries Amount
# 1 Dominica: 113.822 per 1,000 people
# 2 New Zealand: 105.881 per 1,000 people
# 3 Finland: 101.526 per 1,000 people
# 4 Denmark: 92.8277 per 1,000 people
# 5 Chile: 88.226 per 1,000 people
# 6 United Kingdom: 85.5517 per 1,000 people
# 7 Montserrat: 80.3982 per 1,000 people
# 8 United States: 80.0645 per 1,000 people
# 9 Netherlands: 79.5779 per 1,000 people
# 10 South Africa: 77.1862 per 1,000 people
# 11 Germany: 75.9996 per 1,000 people
# 12 Canada: 75.4921 per 1,000 people

A lot of the countries at the top of the list have strict gun control laws...and most have Socialist governments...
Will wonders never cease......:lol::roll:
back to the drawing board....That link is a keeper.

Edit: And the source is The United Nation for those Liberals (socialists) who wish to poo poo the source
 

AnnaG

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No one needs hand guns. Hunting rifles are ok, as long as they are used for the reason they exist and are stored safely. The less firepower around the better.
No-one needs anything except for food, water, warmth, and shelter. After that everything is a luxury.
Speaking of handguns:
here's a picture of a silhouette target handgun. They are bulky and slow firing, as they are bolt action and have no magazine. I can think of no rational person that would use one to commit a crime or even use one to hunt with.
You might try not using your emotions to think with.


In other words, blanket statements like yours are foolish.
 

gerryh

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And clicking on that tab brought very interesting crime rates
Rank Countries Amount
# 1 Dominica: 113.822 per 1,000 people
# 2 New Zealand: 105.881 per 1,000 people
# 3 Finland: 101.526 per 1,000 people
# 4 Denmark: 92.8277 per 1,000 people
# 5 Chile: 88.226 per 1,000 people
# 6 United Kingdom: 85.5517 per 1,000 people
# 7 Montserrat: 80.3982 per 1,000 people
# 8 United States: 80.0645 per 1,000 people
# 9 Netherlands: 79.5779 per 1,000 people
# 10 South Africa: 77.1862 per 1,000 people
# 11 Germany: 75.9996 per 1,000 people
# 12 Canada: 75.4921 per 1,000 people

A lot of the countries at the top of the list have strict gun control laws...and most have Socialist governments...
Will wonders never cease......:lol::roll:
back to the drawing board....That link is a keeper.


Das, the stats are compromised. They do not add up from one tab to another, therefore the link is useless.
 

AnnaG

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No, it wasn't hard at all, seems it was for you.
Sorry, but you are wrong. You made the claim my links had skewed results and then refused to back up the claim by showing why until I said something about it.

They still don't add up, outdated or not, your links don't give a total for crime overall.

At least I didn't see one....perhaps I missed it.
Oh well. Squawk at StatsCan and the US Justice stats people.