Canadian-born man facing deportation; Immigration Canada says he’s not a citizen

[taxslave]

THings like this happen more often than you would think. I have a friend that was born in what was once Northern Rhodesia to British parents. They moved to Canada in the late 50s and because of his age he traveled on his mother's passport while his older brother and sister had their own. He did not know he was not a citizen until one day in his 30s coming back into Canada from a trip to the US for beer and a boarder guard stopped him. THey decided that he really did not have a country and it took some doing to get him back into Canada even though he worked and paid taxes here.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Goober may well be wrong; Read the links.
His parents were nor working at the consulate when he was born and had not been for four months. When they did work at the consulate, they were cleaning staff - latrines, etc.

That is the claim made by the defendant, yet to be proven in a court of law or any other official recognition. If proven true, I am sure the judge at the deportation hearing will set the record straight and throw out the case.

 

[PoliticalNick]

THings like this happen more often than you would think. I have a friend that was born in what was once Northern Rhodesia to British parents. They moved to Canada in the late 50s and because of his age he traveled on his mother's passport while his older brother and sister had their own. He did not know he was not a citizen until one day in his 30s coming back into Canada from a trip to the US for beer and a boarder guard stopped him. THey decided that he really did not have a country and it took some doing to get him back into Canada even though he worked and paid taxes here.

But your friend wasn't issued a Canadian birth certificate and passport. He would have had a BC from Rhodesia. There is a big difference between someone who moved here and someone who was actually born here and issued documents reserved for Canadian citizens.

 

[petros]

Why has it taken 20 years to decide he's not Canadian enough?

 

[captain morgan]

But your friend wasn't issued a Canadian birth certificate and passport. He would have had a BC from Rhodesia. There is a big difference between someone who moved here and someone who was actually born here and issued documents reserved for Canadian citizens.

He was born here under unique circumstances (family of Consulate members). The rules that apply to the Consulate folks are different.

Mistakes on the BC and passport (that was contingent on the BC) are still mistakes and rectifiable.

Had buddy not broken the law in such an egregious manner, this would never have been caught, but due to his own actions, the circumstances have come to light

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

When we have a legitimate government that represents the people I will gladly follow all their laws. Right now I comply with most under threat of imprisonment or physical harm, that doesn't mean I agree with them or recognize them as valid.

Canada has a legitimate government. It has been elected under Canadian law and is serving its legal term of office. While you may not agree with its actions once elected or its policies, one cannot choose not to obey the laws of the land one is a citizen of. Work next election to unelect the government but until that time, you will just have to grin and bear it. We don't always get the government we want. Sooner or later, this government will fall and a new one will replace it and do horrible things too then it too will fall and the cycle will repeat over and over again. This is how democracies work for better or worse.

 

[petros]

Does this mean he gets all the GST he paid back like all other foreign visitors when they disembark?

He'll need to fill this out. 23 of years GST ought to be quite the pile.

http://www.service-brokers.com/forms/gst176-06e.pdf

 

[PoliticalNick]

Canada has a legitimate government. It has been elected under Canadian law and is serving its legal term of office. While you may not agree with its actions once elected or its policies, one cannot choose not to obey the laws of the land one is a citizen of. Work next election to unelect the government but until that time, you will just have to grin and bear it. We don't always get the government we want. Sooner or later, this government will fall and a new one will replace it and do horrible things too then it too will fall and the cycle will repeat over and over again. This is how democracies work for better or worse.

You miss my point. It is not just the current group under Harper I believe is illegitimate. It is every govt formed since the beginning. They are formed under commercial law, not common law therefore, as I am not a commercial entity, they have no lawful authority over me. Or you for that matter.

 

[B00Mer]

Article is a little dated, just the same.. maybe this will be the future for Canada..

Canada looking to close anchor-baby loopholes ǀ GlobalPost | GlobalPost

 

[damngrumpy]

It is true children born in Canada of foreign diplomats are not Canadian citizens
The guy was dealing in illegal weapons etc. It is time we cleaned up this nation
and got rid of all foreign nationals who commit crimes. In fact those with a
citizenship certificate that commit criminal offences should be subject to deportation
if warranted.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

You miss my point. It is not just the current group under Harper I believe is illegitimate. It is every govt formed since the beginning. They are formed under commercial law, not common law therefore, as I am not a commercial entity, they have no lawful authority over me. Or you for that matter.

I have not heard about that. I just assumed you were upset at the current government. I am surprised this has not come up or been challenged before.

 

[DaSleeper]

I have posted before about this....My friend was born in Detroit of Canadian parents working there....even though his parents grandparents and extended family were Canadians, and he had paid taxes and into CPP (Canada Pension Plan)....he had to get his Canadian citizenship to receive any benefits.

You wouldn't believe the paperwork in the year it took him to get it.
And that's an honest man........no pity from me for a crook....why do some people keep siding with criminals? professional courtesy ??

 

[SLM]

why do some people keep siding with criminals? professional courtesy ??

I don't think that's it so much siding with criminals as it is siding against the government.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

I have posted before about this....My friend was born in Detroit of Canadian parents working there....even though his parents grandparents and extended family were Canadians, and he had paid taxes and into CPP (Canada Pension Plan)....he had to get his Canadian citizenship to receive any benefits.

You wouldn't believe the paperwork in the year it took him to get it.
And that's an honest man........no pity from me for a crook....why do some people keep siding with criminals? professional courtesy ??

My wife is American. When my son was born in Canada, his Canadian citizenship was automatic. Very little paper work. But my wife had to do a whole bunch of forms with the American consolate to get his American birth cetrificate (Citizen born abroad or something like that). It was not automatic and needed to be actively asked for. They would not deny if you qualified but if my wife did not pursue it, my son would not be American as well. Think the same is true for Canadians born abroad.

 

[DaSleeper]

I have not heard about that. I just assumed you were upset at the current government. I am surprised this has not come up or been challenged before.

Probably a member of....
‘Left-wing extremists,’ Freemen among Canada’s top domestic terror threats, report reveals | Canada | News | National Post

That car parked across the street could be CSIS :lol:

 

[PoliticalNick]

I have posted before about this....My friend was born in Detroit of Canadian parents working there....even though his parents grandparents and extended family were Canadians, and he had paid taxes and into CPP (Canada Pension Plan)....he had to get his Canadian citizenship to receive any benefits.

He was born in the US, that gives him US citizenship, not Canadian. Do you know f*cking nothing?

You wouldn't believe the paperwork in the year it took him to get it.

Sure I would, took me 16 months and 4 different forms to replace a lost citizenship card.

And that's an honest man........no pity from me for a crook....why do some people keep siding with criminals? professional courtesy ??

Ah-ha-ha-ha.I don't care about the individual, I care your govt is acting dishonorably. They didn't worry about this 'error' when he went to school, got medical care or when they issued the passport, they didn't worry about it for over 2 decades, they just let him grow up as a Canadian and treated him as a Canadian. Now they decide this 'technicality' or loophole should be used to deport a man who is more Canadian than a lot of people including me (I was born in the UK). I am offended the govt would jump through this loophole after multiple decades of telling him he is Canadian and treating him as a citizen.

As I stated earlier, you Das would the first one up-in-arms if a murderer used a loophole or technicality to get off so show some consistency and be appalled your govt would do the same thing. Your inconsistency shows your selective morality and proves you to be a hypocrite of the highest order.

Probably a member of....
‘Left-wing extremists,’ Freemen among Canada’s top domestic terror threats, report reveals | Canada | News | National Post

That car parked across the street could be CSIS :lol:

You really are stupid! The Freeman movement is nowhere close to left-wing. They are middle-right libertarians and constitutionalists. The only danger they present is 30,000+ people who aren't paying taxes to the fraudulent govt. Maybe you should do some research into the group instead of accepting some govt report on a group that opposes their legitimacy as gospel. Freemen just want to be left alone to live, well, free. They do not promote violence or insurrection. They try to educate others to the illegitimate nature of your govt and are quite a peaceful bunch.

BTW, I worked with CSIS for a while and unless they changed their vendor that isn't one of their cars.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

He was born in the US, that gives him US citizenship, not Canadian. Do you know f*cking nothing?

If either parent is a Canadian citizen, then he is entitled to Canadian citizenship. If he is born in Canada, he is also entitled (unless excempt as OP guy might be).

The US rules are simular but for a child to be automatically American, the parent must have lived 5 years after the age of 14 in the USA.

 

[lone wolf]

BTW, I worked with CSIS for a while and unless they changed their vendor that isn't one of their cars.

Someone as smart as you? Hell, they'd have a special car to observe....

 

[petros]

That car parked across the street could be CSIS :lol:

Or your mental health practitioner with a 72hour observation order.

 

[DaSleeper]

If either parent is a Canadian citizen, then he is entitled to Canadian citizenship. If he is born in Canada, he is also entitled (unless excempt as OP guy might be).

The US rules are simular but for a child to be automatically American, the parent must have lived 5 years after the age of 14 in the USA.

He always was a Canadian citizen....the hold-up was getting the paperwork from the states, pure formality...

An exercise in futility, having a conversation with a know-it-all....