Canadian/American Merger

What do you think of a possible Canadian/American merger

  • Sure we're the same, I would embrace it.

    Votes: 5 20.8%
  • We are very different I would never want us to merge.

    Votes: 14 58.3%
  • Meh, I couldn't care less. Join or not do what the majority want.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • It would never happen, so who cares.

    Votes: 5 20.8%

  • Total voters
    24

BaalsTears

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OK, it was to you. The slaughter of the Northern California Natives was pretty unprecedented after 1849.. even in Violent North America...

Only a remnant population of First Peoples continued to exist in California at the time of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. There were massacres by Americans such as the case of Ishi and the Yahi, but most California First Peoples were already gone through disease or Spanish/Mexican exploitation. I live in one of those mission towns where it occurred.
 

hunboldt

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Maybe it's me but that seemed like a call-out, cage-rattle troll.

Oh, I could be wrong. Whaddu I care.

Annnyway...be careful who you muck with sir and don't come crying to me. :lol:


Naw,, Bear & me weze friends makin' funny & I figgiers youse be the bestest Moderator in the whoe wide world, LOCUTUS..


Only a remnant population of First Peoples continued to exist in California at the time of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. There were massacres by Americans such as the case of Ishi and the Yahi, but most California First Peoples were already gone through disease or Spanish/Mexican exploitation. I live in one of those mission towns where it occurred.

That HAS SOME APPPLICATION to South California and the immediate San Bay area, but the Centrial and Northern tribes were wiped out in the 1848-1852 Great California Genocide. Part of your countries' history that gets suppressed. But as shamefull as it gets.

19th century[edit]

The Population of Native California was reduced by 90% during the 19th century—from over 200,000 in the late 19th century to approximate 15,000 at the end of the century.[7] Epidemics swept through California Indian Country, such as the 1833 malaria epidemic.[12]
In 1834 the Spanish missions shifted to Mexican control and were secularized, but lands under their control were not reverted to tribes. Many landless Indians found wage labor on ranches. The United States took control of California in 1848 with the signing of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, that did not honor aboriginal land title.[12]
California Gold Rush (1848–1855)[edit]



No Canadian Parallel. Even Wiki says so.
 
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BaalsTears

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...That HAS SOME APPPLICATION to South California and the immediate San Bay area, but the Centrial and Northern tribes were wiped out in the 1848-1952 Great California Genocide. Part of your countries' history that gets suppressed. But as shamefull as it gets.

1848-1952?

Do you have numbers and citations? Thanks.
 

hunboldt

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The first (factor) was the food supply... The second factor was disease. ...
A third factor, which strongly intensified the effect of the other two, was the social and physical disruption visited upon the Indian. He was driven from his home by the thousands, starved, beaten, raped, and murdered with impunity. He was not only given no assistance in the struggle against foreign diseases, but was prevented from adopting even the most elementary measures to secure his food, clothing, and shelter. The utter devastation caused by the white man was literally incredible, and not until the population figures are examined does the extent of the havoc become evident."


— Cook, 1976b, Population, page 200​
 

BaalsTears

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The first (factor) was the food supply... The second factor was disease. ...
A third factor, which strongly intensified the effect of the other two, was the social and physical disruption visited upon the Indian. He was driven from his home by the thousands, starved, beaten, raped, and murdered with impunity. He was not only given no assistance in the struggle against foreign diseases, but was prevented from adopting even the most elementary measures to secure his food, clothing, and shelter. The utter devastation caused by the white man was literally incredible, and not until the population figures are examined does the extent of the havoc become evident."



— Cook, 1976b, Population, page 200​

Does Cook have statistics which could be analyzed?

The California Indians were generally gentle peoples. How many died under Spanish sovereignty? How many died under Mexican sovereignty? How many died under American sovereignty? Thanks.

How did the Canadians treat Chinese immigrants?
 

hunboldt

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Does Cook have statistics which could be analyzed?

The California Indians were generally gentle peoples. How many died under Spanish sovereignty? How many died under Mexican sovereignty? How many died under American sovereignty? Thanks.

How did the Canadians treat Chinese immigrants?


Baals tears, If I present an argument with supporting links, and I just gave four, the onus is on you to defend your counter argument.
according to cooke, the Native population of California was 250,000 AT THE END OF THE MISSION ERA. And less tan 25,000 in 1900-

During the Gold rush, they were shot out of their lands by the incoming prospectors, lossely organised by the State Government.
But believe what you want- .
 

BaalsTears

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Baals tears, If I present an argument with supporting links, and I just gave four, the onus is on you to defend your counter argument.
according to cooke, the Native population of California was 250,000 AT THE END OF THE MISSION ERA. And less tan 25,000 in 1900-

During the Gold rush, they were shot out of their lands by the incoming prospectors, lossely organised by the State Government.
But believe what you want- .

The reason I am reacting so negatively to your posts is your attempt to lay ALL blame for the California Indian genocide at the hands of white Americans while ignoring the role of the Spanish and Mexicans. That is typical Canadian anti-Americanism.

Having said that I acknowledge the PARTIAL truth of what you have posted.

California Indian History

How did white canadians treat chinese immigrants? Are you canadians proud of your treatment of the chinese?
 

hunboldt

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Only a remnant population of First Peoples continued to exist in California at the time of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. There were massacres by Americans such as the case of Ishi and the Yahi, but most California First Peoples were already gone through disease or Spanish/Mexican exploitation. I live in one of those mission towns where it occurred.


That is so completely wrong, and shamefully wrong. And I'm not Indian.
The 1858 Barker ville Caribou gold rush was feared by Colonial authorities because of the slaughter grounds the California rush had become.
 

BaalsTears

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Sal

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Do you really believe that?
just read my FB crawl for a couple of days.... the anti-Obama, pro-gun and god mentality will slay you

Ya, because I don't think my experiences encompass the whole of the US collective.
but you make the assumption that I do........oh the sweet irony

you hop in to a post, ask no questions, and conclude..lmao..... I love it
 

hunboldt

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We? tober and you are one in the same?


Like the fact that I didn't invite you to read all my 'stuff', I suggested you read one thread, you could find for your self, after you asked where you could find it.

I guess we can add dishonesty to your list of failings. Why am I not surprised.


Yep..Tober & me at ReddneKK central...
Tober's the guy with the long hair, I've got the Headshot sunburn, Bear...
 

tober

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Yep..Tober & me at ReddneKK central...
Tober's the guy with the long hair, I've got the Headshot sunburn, Bear...

I lived in a southern California town in 1963. One Saturday the Saturday edition of the local newspaper carried an article about what went on in the town 50 years previously. The story said that local young guys would go perch in the hills with rifles and shoot at Indians in their reserves. If they killed an Indian it was not even investigated. If an Indian shot back there would be official retaliation. If a white boy was hit there would be lethal official retaliation. The paper noted how progressive things were in 1963 because they were no longer using Indians for target practice. Home of the brave, land of the free.

The 1858 Barker ville Caribou gold rush was feared by Colonial authorities because of the slaughter grounds the California rush had become.

We still don't let yanks come over the border with handguns.
 

B00Mer

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I lived in a southern California town in 1963. One Saturday the Saturday edition of the local newspaper carried an article about what went on in the town 50 years previously. The story said that local young guys would go perch in the hills with rifles and shoot at Indians in their reserves. If they killed an Indian it was not even investigated. If an Indian shot back there would be official retaliation. If a white boy was hit there would be lethal official retaliation. The paper noted how progressive things were in 1963 because they were no longer using Indians for target practice. Home of the brave, land of the free. .

aah yes, the Good'ol Days. Hold on I wasn't born yet..
 

B00Mer

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Due to the thread:
Is a Canada-U.S. merger the cure for ‘creeping takeover’ by the world's big players?
and the exchanges I have read on that thread, I am curious about people's desire to join our cousins to the south. Unlike many on here I do not feel we are alike...I feel we are similar but not alike.

I would not wish to merge under any circumstances.

And you, and why?

Hurray!! Somebody has come to their senses. :)

However, I don't think we should join but rather have an EU style relationship and do away with the border..

I think all can Agree, we don't want to give up Canada, just have a better economy and better access to jobs. There really is no need for a border... and we could save tax payer dollars.
 

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Find 10 more and I might have an empty wallet but no more male pattern baldness. . . and then no loot left to take them out. Sometime one thing goes wrong and the whole thing goes out the window, can you relate to that happening?