Canada's shame - The truth is coming out and what we did as a country is disgusting.

Walter

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Is that the standard you go by?

I'd rather aim a wee bit higher than that, thanks.

If we read the quotes from the governments of the time, late 1800s to early 1900's, the intent was explicitly laid out to be assimilation, civilization, and Christianization. By the 1960s the rhetoric had changed. In the B&B Commission report in the 1960s, 'integration' had become the code word, bearing in mind indigenous communities were already pretty ravaged by then.

yet even today we're not prepared to let go of the spoils we'd gained from this process. Hd it not been for this genocide, Canada would be far more multicultural today, and the idea of an Anglo-French Canada as Trudeau Sr envisioned it would have been a figment of his immagination. This genocide had made it a reality to which we cling greedily even today.
What crap.

Are the Iroquois going to compensate the Wyandot for wiping them out of southern ON in the 1640's and 1650's?
 

gerryh

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What crap.

Are the Iroquois going to compensate the Wyandot for wiping them out of southern ON in the 1640's and 1650's?


If they were "wiped out", who is there to compensate. Plus, I believe I've already addressed the difference between conquering and treaty's.
 

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Well, isn't this just an enlightening thread - a bunch of white guys ('ceptin' 'bones) talking about something they have no first hand knowledge or experience with. Reminds me a of a bunch of men discussing what a woman feels during child birth.
 

petros

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Well, isn't this just an enlightening thread - a bunch of white guys ('ceptin' 'bones) talking about something they have no first hand knowledge or experience with. Reminds me a of a bunch of men discussing what a woman feels during child birth.
Bullsh*t!
 

gerryh

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Well, isn't this just an enlightening thread - a bunch of white guys ('ceptin' 'bones) talking about something they have no first hand knowledge or experience with. Reminds me a of a bunch of men discussing what a woman feels during child birth.


My wife had relatives in residential schools. I'm sure that if my Great Grandmother had not been "asked to leave" the reserve I would also have relatives in the residential schools. So, stick it up your a$$ cliffy.
 

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Well, isn't this just an enlightening thread - a bunch of white guys ('ceptin' 'bones) talking about something they have no first hand knowledge or experience with. Reminds me a of a bunch of men discussing what a woman feels during child birth.

Don't be telling me i have no place in this discussion girly man.
 

petros

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White people who weren't English or French had their cultures and languages stripped from them and suffered physical and mental abuses.

Cliffy being French would be far further removed from knowing what it was like than anyone else.
 

Cliffy

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White people who weren't English or French had their cultures and languages stripped from them and suffered physical and mental abuses.

Cliffy being French would be far further removed from knowing what it was like than anyone else.
I'm French? When did that happen?

I'm well aware that many ethnic groups were treated less than hospitable by our government. Freedomite kids were interred in the fifties in the same camp in New Denver as the Japanese were during WW11. They were brainwashed to hate their parents and their culture the same way native kids were. I did not hear from survivors if there was any sexual abuse.

We are talking about native kids here. Bringing in other ethnic groups just muddies the waters here.
 

petros

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We are talking about native kids here. Bringing in other ethnic groups just muddies the waters here.
Why? The only difference was white kids got to go home at the end of the day.

My dad was beaten at school for speaking his language and practising a different religion.

For Ukrainians they didn't take the kids away. They took the parents.
 

B00Mer

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A topic like these is ancient history, it's in the past and Canada as many countries have bad incidents they have overcome..

I'm sure the only reason this topic has been brought to light is because someone wants money from the Government.. otherwise it would be long and buried.. and I'm sure some Liberal fukk waud wants your tax money to pay for it to.. I smell a Trudeau 5 minutes of fame..
 

Cliffy

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Why? The only difference was white kids got to go home at the end of the day.

My dad was beaten at school for speaking his language and practising a different religion.

For Ukrainians they didn't take the kids away. They took the parents.
Yes, in WW1 they intered the Ukrainians here at Edgewood and made them build roads as slave labour. There is now a plaque commemorating that atrocity and the government has made an official apology (only 2 or 3 years ago). My friend Walter is Ukrainian and he attended the ceremony. But do you still live with that horror. Are Ukrainians still marginalized by government and society the same way native peoples are? Are Ukrainians still spoken of in derogatory terms that same way native people are?

A topic like these is ancient history, it's in the past and Canada as many countries have bad incidents they have overcome..
This is not ancient history. The marginalization of native people is still going on today. The government has only paid lip service to the native people but their policies have not changed all that much. Many on here still want the aboriginal people to assimilate, to give up their cultural heritage and become the same as the European descendents.
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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When I grew up I chummed around with a couple Native boys and my best friend was half native.

Back then people called them wagon burners, piutes, dirty indians, drunks. How many Indians were there at Custards last stand. Only 300, they could only get 20 cars started. And of course they were all lazy. How do you hide an Indian's welfare check from him. Put it under his work boots. Did you hear about the Indian they found in the Fraser River with 20 feet of chain wrapped around him? Figures a piute would steal more than he could swim with.

I am far from a Left wing, but our ancestors didn't happen to inherit this land. Our ancestors took it. They imposed their views and religion on a people and stole from them while extinguishing their culture.

They abused, molested and murdered their children.

They signed treaties and never lived up to their end of the bargain.

Time to move on? I don't think so.
 

MHz

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Nothing. It was anywhere from bad to horrible, but the Canadian people didn't intend the schools to be horrible. In time, when they found out how they were, they shut them down.

Bad things happen. It's good when they get corrected. But you can't compensate everybody for everything bad that happens. I could see possibly giving the specific individuals who were harmed a cause of action, but nothing beyond that.
100 years is not really a credit to how observant we are, more like how adept we are at turning a blind eye to real events.