Canada's Left Okay with Corruption

Goober

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It's in their contract as to what is legitimate. Most that I have heard of allow banking upto a certain number. What Canuck has posted is truth.

Just for fun, try doing research on shyte you know nothing about rather than listening to the idiots on this board.
Are hangovers covered. Is taking a day because you are starting a long weekend covered and want 4 days off or 5 or 6. So what he has in his contract is not common within the private sector- and that is where the comparison comes from that was being discussed.

And take your insults and place them to the side please.
 

gerryh

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And take your insults and place them to the side please.


If you're going to be a **** about this, then you can talk to someone else. I asked a question, YOU insulted by implying that I was trolling. So get off your fu cking high horse dipshyte. You don't like insults, then don't start em. Remember, you don't have Bear here to protect your skinny a$$.
 

taxslave

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I have worked in both the public and private sectors. Those in the private sector without benefits often arrive at work sick and unproductive because they can't afford the loss in pay. A poor reason at best. From my experience, the public sector is as devoted and often more productive at less cost than employees in the private. The statistic is misleading, at best.

As opposed to those in the public sector that arrive at work healthy and unproductive.

Probably so. We don't have short term disability (I work for a municipal government). I bank sick days to a max of 100. If I get ill or hurt myself, any days I take off are considered sick days until the 100 days run out, then I go on long term disability. It does skew the numbers but that is entirely irrelevant. This is nothing more than the Conservatives trying to shift the focus.



Apparently you are blind as well.

Except that you can collect on your unused sick days when you retire. Now that is unacceptable.

The cons are simply shifting the focus to where the real and expensive corruption is. That is the overpaid public service.

The cons are simply shifting the focus to where the real and expensive corruption is. That is the overpaid public service.
 

IdRatherBeSkiing

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Left/right has nothing to do with it. I'm not left wing but I can clearly see that this is a feeble attempt to deflect attention away from the Conservative's troubles. Only a simpleton or a hard core Tory supporter would not see that.

So because Pamala Wallin claims too much on her expenses, the civil servants should get unlimited sick days?
 

gerryh

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So because Pamala Wallin claims too much on her expenses, the civil servants should get unlimited sick days?


No, the fact is, the present sick day policy was negotiated for. Calling it "corruption" when it is nothing of the sort is simply the present conservative government yelling "squirrel" and hoping the short attention span public looks away from the other problems the cons are having.


When the contracts are up for renewal, change the contract concerning sick days.
 

Cannuck

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100 days- anyone abuse it?

I don't know. I don't know everybody.

Are hangovers covered.

I can't speak for all government employees but I have seen no difference in how hangovers are covered in my time in the private sector or the public sector. Same goes for long weekends. My employer can ask for a doctors note if they so desire. That's the same as it was when I was in the private sector. Look, I understand that some folks get a little jealous when somebody else gets something that they didn't get but jealousy is such a petty and childish emotion.

Great, then it should be no issue to do away with a set amount of sick days entirely. Either you are sick or not and are prepared to provide a Dr's note if required.

If you paid attention, you would have understood that the sick days are actually short term disability. As an employee, I have no problem if they do away with a set amount of sick days and instead provide short term disability insurance. I maxed out my sick days anyway.

Except that you can collect on your unused sick days when you retire. Now that is unacceptable.

No I can't.

So because Pamala Wallin claims too much on her expenses, the civil servants should get unlimited sick days?

Don't be silly. If the government doesn't like how the sick days are handled, they can renegotiate when the contracts expire. That's the point. This is nothing more than the Conservatives trying to create a story to distract the simpletons.
 

captain morgan

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If you paid attention, you would have understood that the sick days are actually short term disability. As an employee, I have no problem if they do away with a set amount of sick days and instead provide short term disability insurance. I maxed out my sick days anyway.


Even better, you can go through the insurance company and for this ultra-short term disability and get the pay for missed time from them.

Good luck on that
 

Cannuck

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Even better, you can go through the insurance company and for this ultra-short term disability and get the pay for missed time from them.

Good luck on that

The banked sick days is a way to give employees short term disability without the expense of insurance premiums. If an employee is abusing the system, that is the fault of management.
 

Cannuck

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No it isn't

Yes it is.

... And now, management is saying that the whole program is be sh*t-canned

No, The Conservative Party is saying that and we all know that is just an attempt to deflect attention away from their own bungling. "Management" will do whatever they think they have to do to get the best deal when negotiating time roles around. That's what always happens.
 

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Probably so. We don't have short term disability (I work for a municipal government). I bank sick days to a max of 100. If I get ill or hurt myself, any days I take off are considered sick days until the 100 days run out, then I go on long term disability. It does skew the numbers but that is entirely irrelevant. This is nothing more than the Conservatives trying to shift the focus.



Apparently you are blind as well.








Thank you Canuck, that was my first thought when I heard this story on the radio.

Throw the masses a bone to go off in a different direction from the Senate and Robo Call issues ............










Senate, MP Expenses: Politicians Can Claim $90 A Day For Food Without Showing Receipts


"That is tax-free money and you don’t have to produce receipts at either place — the Senate or the House — to prove that you went out for dinner and maybe you treated yourself and dinner was $30. You just automatically apply for it and you get it."


"Everyone else pays for their lunch and I don’t see why MPs can’t as well," he said.

A recent audit by Deloitte found that Sen. Mike Duffy had claimed 12 days of per diems while he was actually vacationing in Florida. The Senate told Duffy he owed them $1,050.60. In explaining the error, Duffy’s assistant, Diane Scharf (described in a Postmedia article as a veteran Parliament Hill staffer who had worked for both Liberal and Conservative MPs and senators) called the rules for expenses "convoluted."

Bergamini called per diems a "salary top up" — worth up to $11,881.75 in tax-free money for MPs in 2013 according to HuffPost’s calculations — and said MPs have enough benefits as it is. He called for all MP and senators expenses to be posted online — with receipts.



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Senate, MP Expenses: Politicians Can Claim $90 A Day For Food Without Showing Receipts




According to the latest MPs’ expenditure report, MPs spent a total of $6,507,808.37 on housing and per diem expenses while in Ottawa during April 1, 2011 and March 31, 2012.
 

captain morgan

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Yes it is.

You remain mistaken

No, The Conservative Party is saying that and we all know that is just an attempt to deflect attention away from their own bungling. "Management" will do whatever they think they have to do to get the best deal when negotiating time roles around. That's what always happens.

Again, mistaken.

You certainly don't 'know' that this is about in terms of attempts at deflection... And sit tight, because the time to negotiate has already come for some (Canada Post comes to mind) and the rest will be reeling from that precedent that is set.

It's been in the works for some time. These most recent events are just an extension of what was started a couple of years ago
 

Cannuck

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You remain mistaken

Obviously not

Again, mistaken.

Obviously not, again

And sit tight, because the time to negotiate has already come for some (Canada Post comes to mind) and the rest will be reeling from that precedent that is set.

Probably not.

These most recent events are just an extension of what was started a couple of years ago

Yes, I've notice the Conservatives have been trying this tactic for a few years now. It's just that it is becoming more blatant now.
 

captain morgan

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I guess that time will tell... It won't take long for you to understand the nature of your mistake.

I do look forward to CUPE et al getting their butts handed to them in collective bargaining, perhaps they ought to rename the p[rocess collective withdraw of prior arrangements.

We'll get a good idea here in the next while
 

Cannuck

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I guess that time will tell... It won't take long for you to understand the nature of your mistake.

I do look forward to CUPE et al getting their butts handed to them in collective bargaining, perhaps they ought to rename the p[rocess collective withdraw of prior arrangements.

We'll get a good idea here in the next while

Considering you have yet to show me the slightest inkling that you you know anything about that which you speak of, I definitely won't be holding my breath, waiting for you to show me how wrong I am.