Like Napoleon?
The whole of the southern states seceded in the US Civil War. There were enough to wage a long protracted war and England (although neutral) leaned towards the Confederacy regardless of their views on slavery.
Call for Sir John A. Macdonald school to be renamed
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Like Napoleon?
The whole of the southern states seceded in the US Civil War. There were enough to wage a long protracted war and England (although neutral) leaned towards the Confederacy regardless of their views on slavery.
Napoleon didn't make war against his own king. Louis had been deposed long before Napoleon rose.
Right. And they lost. Ergo, they were traitors, by Constitutional definition.
What do you think would have happened to George Washington if he had lost?
Louis XVIII was King of France after Napoleon was exiled to Elba. Napoleon escaped Elba and marched on France against him. Napoleon ruled for another 100 days, was defeated at Waterloo, exiled to St. Helena and the throne was restored to Louis XVIII.
OK, fair point. But there are significant differences. Napoleon was the head of state of France for a long time. Lee was never head of anything. And Lee was turned loose, not imprisoned for life.
I never said they weren't traitors. I do know that many politicians in the North wanted reconciliation instead of firing squads. I am not saying the Reconstruction was without problems but the country for the most part wanted healing and not revenge.
I don't know what would have happened to Washington. He could have been hung, he could have been exiled... who knows.
He was head of the Army of Northern Virginia and he was the heart of the Confederacy. The North just wanted him and his army to stop fighting and go home.
We are not Europe... we did things differently than they would have.
In the late 1800s, the GAR started putting up monuments up in every single town square. They were the victors and were enjoying a post war boom. They attended the unveiling of these by hundreds or thousands, massive Grand Army of the Republic halls went up all over the north. The south on the other hand was wrecked. Their monuments for the most part went up when they were dying off of old age. I believe they were mostly erected by the Daughters of the Confederacy to honor their dead and aging southern soldiers.
All of their bi-racial offspring were. Any White ones born to White slaves were as well. Well, provided their would-be parent survived long enough to breed. A slave is a slave. I say long enough because White slaves were killed for far less of an offense than Black slaves because Black slaves quite frankly, were rather more expensive to purchase.
And in the case of some of the German Reformationists who came over during that period, they sold their children into slavery for coin very soon after arriving. Great parents I must say. :violent1:
Do you understand where the term "cracker" came from when used as a pejorative?
These reverse racists and hypocrites are primarily against Canada. They are traitors who want to see the world and their divided into victims and victimizers.
They cloak themselves in the white robes and peaked hats of 'White Christian Guilt'.. and promote a nation divided against itself... with its shining feminist, homosexual, indigenous, racial, ethnic, religious icons of oppressed 'tribes', responsible only to their own blood and klan.. rejecting all loyalty to a transcendent national identity. They are the true bigots.
John A. MacDonald, with others, conceived that identity. It was his genius, and certainly all genius is flawed, through his National Policies, the CPR, the reconciliation with French, English and Aboriginal constituencies that created Canada, under imminent threat of absorption into the USA.
We need to start naming colleges and schools after the Fathers of Confederation.. rather than these creepy post structuralists who want rip what they built apart.
They cloak themselves in the white robes and peaked hats of 'White Christian Guilt'.. and promote a nation divided against itself... with its shining feminist, homosexual, indigenous, racial, ethnic, religious icons of oppressed 'tribes', responsible only to their own blood and klan.. rejecting all loyalty to a transcendent national identity. They are the true bigots.
John A. MacDonald, with others, conceived that identity. It was his genius, and certainly all genius is flawed, through his National Policies, the CPR, the reconciliation with French, English and Aboriginal constituencies that created Canada, under imminent threat of absorption into the USA.
We need to start naming colleges and schools after the Fathers of Confederation.. rather than these creepy post structuralists who want rip what they built apart.
How'd that work out?
Right, that's what I said. He was head of state of nothing, not even the wannabe country CSA.
True, but one hopes you aren't trying to deny that the dominant culture in the USA is European, especially in the mid-19th century.
That is correct, with smaller booms in the 1920s and 1950s, which just happened to coincide with significant advancement for blacks in society. Heritage not hate, right?
The past? Which past,? The cooked one we all got in school or the real one which they never speak of. There is no subject anywhere more closed and cooked than human past.
Which are you?
Name 'em after hockey stars if you want Joe Canuck to know who the heck you're talking about.
The past? Which past,? The invented one we all got in school or the real one which they never speak of. There is no subject anywhere more closed and cooked than human past.
As I said... it was not without problems.
He got some nice monuments to him eh? Not bad for being head of nothing.
Sure, except for the south perhaps. That was a mixture of European, African, and Caribbean culture. Certainly you aren't agreeing with the same things the post CW racist white people were saying... all that white, European, southern culture sh*t. The south was never white, the slaves from Africa and the Caribbean shaped southern culture just as much as Europeans did.
You need to explain a little bit better what you mean.
In the last couple of weeks, t-bones, you've labelled me as white supremicist, closet homosexual, religious zealot, 'chicken hawk', hypocrite, holy inquisitioner. Take your pick. In your strange, skewed surreal psycho-landscape anything could apply i guess.
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As you said, there was a monument-building boom in the 1890s. There were smaller booms in the 1920s and 1950s, corresponding with the "New Negro Movement" and the Civil Rights Era. Those smaller booms were anti-black, Jim Crow measures.
If the shoe fits. . .
Nah, more "curious."
Which you are.
Did you serve? Do you advocate military solutions now that you're safely beyond service age? If your answers are no and yes respectively, you're a chickenhawk.
That was mostly Corduroy, though I certainly agreed.
I honestly don't remember that one.
They pretty much all do, except as noted above.
We'll get over it directly.
maybe the holy inquisitioner was from Cliffy.. but frankly all of the slurs of alt-left blur into an indistinguishable jumble for me after a time.
Although, in all honesty, i haven't really been able to identify any comprehensible political philosophy on your part, t-bones. Everything in your world is driven by some psychotic paranoid misanthropy. A strange semblance of conspiracies and persecution.. directed against you.
You just don't like anybody or anything.
The GAR booms happened mostly in the 1880s-1890s. I swear, every single town square or city center in Massachusetts has a monument with a Union soldier on top. The CSA started a little later in the early 1900s and seemed to have kept going. On Wiki there is a massive list of CSA monuments with dates. Thousands of them all over the country. Municipalities have their work cut out for themselves if they are going to take them all down.
Did you ever read this book?
LOL... what do you think T-Bones? Is that you or Nah?
Good way to accuse me of doing something I didn't do. Which commandment is about false witness?
You're not intelligent enough.
Alright.. then you ARE calling me a heretic and infidel.. i forgot about the apostacy accusation and my imminent condemnation to perdition in your highly limited understanding of scripture from a couple of weeks ago and attested to again here.. :roll:
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I'll look it up, thanks. Yeah, the GAR did its thing in the 1880s-90s, and the DAR got rolling in the 1890s, but as I said there were smaller booms in the 20s and 50s.The GAR booms happened mostly in the 1880s-1890s. I swear, every single town square or city center in Massachusetts has a monument with a Union soldier on top. The CSA started a little later in the early 1900s and seemed to have kept going. On Wiki there is a massive list of CSA monuments with dates. Thousands of them all over the country. Municipalities have their work cut out for themselves if they are going to take them all down.
Did you ever read this book?
I took a girfriend from the South on a trip to Massachusetts once. We were driving on the back roads, and came into a town (I think it mighta been Webster). They had a massive GAR monument on the courthouse lawn. I said to her "I guess this is the first Civil War monument you ever saw dedicated to the side that won." She was not amused.
It's me in coldstream's understanding.