Call for Sir John A. Macdonald school to be renamed

Jinentonix

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We've actually been evolving toward betterment since the beginning, but who needs facts.
Yeah right. :lol:

Here, let me give you a quick run down on human intellectual evolution.

Approximately 1 million years ago humankind domesticated fire. We looked at what we did and said, "Fire. Keep warm. Give light. Protect from wild animals. Cook food, make us smarter. Hmmmm I wonder how we can kill other people with it".

Fast forward 1 million years to the nuclear age. With the promise of clean, almost unlimited power generation we looked at what we did and said, "Nuclear power will keep us warm, provide heat and light and let us keep cooking our food. Hmmmm I wonder how we can kill other people with it."

Oh yeah, evolving toward betterment all right.
 

Vbeacher

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The attempt to judge figures of the distant past by today's moral standards is intellectual bankruptcy at its finest. You would be hard-pressed to find any major historical figure who satisfied today's politically correct litmus tests on tolerance for every identity group, from gays and lesbians and transsexuals, to Blacks, Natives or whatever. In fact, you would be hard-pressed to find any major population in any country in the past who could come close to meeting such a litmus test.

But progressives generally don't know about nor care about history except to sneer at the intolerance of past figures. They don't value history because to them, everything that was done was done improperly and without the necessary cultural sensitivity. So they want to take down Robert E Lee, but they also want to take down Teddy Roosevelt, and Washington and Jefferson, and probably just about everyone else, really, if they're white.

In Canada you see this in attacks on MacDonald and Hector Langevin for their improper opinions about natives, and the founder of Halifax, Edward Cornwallis, for daring to fight natives after they attacked him. It's all blindingly stupid, but it shows the fixation progressives have with small, identity politics issues as opposed to matters of real importance. Tiny minds get obsessed with tiny things, I guess.

The west was built on racism. It's time we faced that

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Which country in the world did not have racism? Or do you actually know anything about history whatsoever?
 

White_Unifier

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Sorry, Vbeacher, but even in MacDonald's and Langevin's time, at least one Christian backbencher in Parliament spoke out quite passionately against the Indian residential school system. I'm still looking for his name online and will post it when I find it. The point is though that they did know better even then.
 

captain morgan

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The west was built on racism. It's time we faced that

Love the youtube Cliffy, didn't watch it, mind you, but the imagery is all you... Say, here's a question for ya'll.... Exactly how did the slavers acquire their 'slaves' from the Ivory Coast (or elsewhere)? Are you under the impression that these sailors ventured hundreds of miles inland and kidnapped folk?

I doubt that you'll like the answer as it is in direct conflict with the fantasy world you have immersed yourself in
 

Danbones

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Kreskin

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The attempt to judge figures of the distant past by today's moral standards is intellectual bankruptcy at its finest. You would be hard-pressed to find any major historical figure who satisfied today's politically correct litmus tests on tolerance for every identity group, from gays and lesbians and transsexuals, to Blacks, Natives or whatever. In fact, you would be hard-pressed to find any major population in any country in the past who could come close to meeting such a litmus test.

But progressives generally don't know about nor care about history except to sneer at the intolerance of past figures. They don't value history because to them, everything that was done was done improperly and without the necessary cultural sensitivity. So they want to take down Robert E Lee, but they also want to take down Teddy Roosevelt, and Washington and Jefferson, and probably just about everyone else, really, if they're white.

In Canada you see this in attacks on MacDonald and Hector Langevin for their improper opinions about natives, and the founder of Halifax, Edward Cornwallis, for daring to fight natives after they attacked him. It's all blindingly stupid, but it shows the fixation progressives have with small, identity politics issues as opposed to matters of real importance. Tiny minds get obsessed with tiny things, I guess.



Which country in the world did not have racism? Or do you actually know anything about history whatsoever?
Some, like Trump, want to today's moral standards reverted back to the figures and actions of the distant past, where intolerance is justified. I'd rather see a few statues symbolically removed, and if I needed a history lesson I could refer to one of the billion resources on the internet.
 

EagleSmack

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This'll probably shock the sh*t out of my usual detractors, leaving their skulls completely empty, but I don't think this is a good idea. Mr. McDonald had some pretty bad ideas about Indians, but that don't weigh real heavy against his achievements. Further, his wrong ideas were widely held at the time, and though he did a lot of damage, that wasn't his intention.

Contrast Robert E. Lee. He was an officer in the U.S. Army, and he knew full well what he was doing was treason under the Constitution, universally reviled. Further, he killed thousands of his own countrymen, and he did it all in pursuit of maintaining human slavery, which was generally thought to be immoral in the West at the time, as evidenced by the fact that Britain had outlawed slavery in 1833, and the U.S. had outlawed the slave trade.

Further, his wrong ideas were widely held at the time.... Well put and the same could be said of R.E Lee.

and though he did a lot of damage, that wasn't his intention
... This certainly cannot pertain to R.E Lee. He did intend do a lot of damage and that was his intent. That is the job of Generals.
 

10larry

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Some, like Trump, want to today's moral standards reverted back to the figures and actions of the distant past, where intolerance is justified. I'd rather see a few statues symbolically removed, and if I needed a history lesson I could refer to one of the billion resources on the internet.

Search engines routinely censor content and remove or omit info from users to accomodate sponsors, simple bias or activist groups, no statues, no google pages, who was robert E? This is not new other regimes have gone the history is troublesome route, smashing monuments, destroying libraries, burning books and renaming everything, if memory serves no good came from any of it.
 

White_Unifier

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Why not rename schools that are presently named after John A. MacDonald after Dr. P.H. Bryce, who wrote a report in 1907 describing the situation in the Indian residential schools a "national crime." Maybe build statues to him too. This would stand as proof that even at early as 1907 people knew better.

There is a Parliamentarian who opposed the schools from the start. I just can't find his name right now damn it.
 

justlooking

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David Mastin, president of ETFO’s Durham local, says there was “a fair bit” of discussion on the motion and that he expects it to be controversial locally.

“The thought that there could be Indigenous children in our public houses of learning, who could be triggered by negative thoughts … that’s what really got to me,” Mastin says.

He acknowledged that some people might see this as a move to “erase history,”


Not surprisingly, it's another butthurt Lieberal, who 'thinks' that someone else could be triggered.

So, it's time to protect the minorities from big bad whitey, even if they don't say anything, cuz white oppression
scares them into saying nothing.

See, the real patriarchy and racism comes from the left these days.
They still think they have to babysit the poor little oppressed minorities, and do all the thinking for them,
because they aren't able to think for themselves.