If you tell lies, you run the risk of someone calling you a liar.
I agree. So give me an example of Hamas lying...
That's exactly what they are. I if I called a carrot a carrot would you call me a liar? A book is a book. No book is worth killing innocent people over. Not the bible, not the Qu'ran, no book at all.
How about books that say God gave Palestine to the Jews?
The use of violence is fine to defend yourself. But always in proportion to defend yourself and pointed only at those who put you in immediate danger of life and limb. It's not sucking some gullible fool into thinking that blowing themselves up to kill a few innocent people is some favor to God. That's moronic.
Then you definitely must not support what Israel does to Palestinians. You must be against the raid into Gaza on November 4, 2008 which broke the ceasefire, killed 6 members of Hamas and started the current round of violence. You must also be against Israel's sharp escalation of violence on December 27, 2008 which they justified in response to rockets attacks that hadn't killed anyone. BTW, among the hundred or so victims on the first day were about two dozen new police officers attending a graduation ceremony and a few children from the school next door.... in response to rocket attacks which hadn't killed anyone.
That works both ways you know. Anytime someone stops, they attack someone. The more I look at it the more I see there is no reasoning with them, no possibility to live in peace with them. If they all choose to be religious warriors, so be it. If they choose to take the battlefield into their homes and among their families, then so be it.
I assume you are aware that from the time Hamas agreed to the ceasefire back in June 2008 until Israel broke the ceasefire and attacked them on November 4, 2008 (the same day Americans elected Obama), they never fired a single rocket at Israel and arrested anyone who did. BTW, since they declared a ceasefire in January 2009, they stopped firing rockets and have arrested anyone who does:
30 March 2009
...Hamas, which controls Gaza, was carrying out arrests of members of smaller militant factions to stop attacks, and had signed an agreement with the Islamic Jihad group to end attacks....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7971512.stm
Really? I see it all the time. Some of the most deceitful people on Earth have been seemingly pious religious leaders. I see a lot of hypocrisy as well. Complaining loudly about people doing to them what they do to others. Then denying that they do anything at all.
That's true, but you'll have to provide some proof that this is the case regarding Hamas.
They want to continue a war with Israel regardless of their inability to win. They attack civilians, then hide among highly populated Palestinian areas and bark like dogs about attacks on Palestinian civilians that get hurt or killed when Israel hunts down and kills one of theirs. I don't think deceitful can be made clearer than that.
Hamas has repeatedly offered Israel truces, including some which would last for decades. What they want in exchange is a return to the 1967 borders and the ability to control their borders. The Hamas leader who offered this truce said they would leave leave it to the next generation of Palestinians to decide whether to go back to war, extend the truce or negotiate a formal peace agreement. He even got the other militant groups to agree. BTW, Israel assassinated that Hamas leader.
My Last Encounter with Ismail Abu Shanab - TIME
You're here talking about all the wonderful things that Hamas does. Getting people slaughtered no matter how much you say it's fighting for justice and defending themselves, is stupid and the epitome of injustice. Everyone knows that yet you keep claiming over and over again that it's virtue and righteousness on the part of Hamas. They're terrorists dude. You obviously know this. So you are a liar. That's just how it works.
Please back up your accusation with a quote, otherwise respect forum rules regarding personal attacks... What I have said is the Palestinians suffer injustice and oppression. I've backed that statement up with many references, including Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, B'Tselem, the Internation Committee of the Red Cross... and so on. I've quoted Jewish Israeli historians who have come to the same conclusion. No one on this forum has disproven this with references to better sources of information. Suffice to say I've proven that Palestinians suffer injustice and oppression for decades. Its been 60 years now and their suffering has been constant. During periods of calm or violence, Israel's treatment of these people has been consistent. Israel violently ethnically cleanses them from their land and then builds Jewish only colonies over the ruins of their farms, homes, businesses, cemetaries.... All I've ever said is that people who suffer injustice and oppression have a right, an obligation even, to fight for freedom and justice. You think this is stupid? You'll have to clarify that argument. I've never supported the use of violence to resolve disputes. Israeli apologists support the use of extreme disproportionate violence in response to even minor acts of defiance and resistance. How do you stand on that issue? How many Palestinians can Israel justify killing in response to rocket attacks which killed no one between June 2008 and December 27, 2008 and maybe killed 5 people in the previous decade? Would you consider several hundred innocent men, women and children disproportionate?
Yeah like someone will shoot a rocket at kids but they won't lie to get more money to supply themselves with more rockets. How can you be so blind? Unless you're simply spoiling for a fight.
Hamas has never lied about firing rockets at Israel. Most of the time their rockets land in an open field. Half the time they don't even make it out of Gaza. You believe they are targetting children??? No one claims those rockets are accurate enough to hit a city consistently, never mind aimed at specific children. But they do periodically cause civilian deaths and therefore they are war crimes. Perhaps you'd like to comment on Israel's deliberate use of White Phosphorus on civilian targets like schools full of innocent civilians taking shelter. White Phosphorus burns upon contact with skin and burns flesh to the bone. Here is a video of some Palestinian children being treated for WP wounds in an Egyptian hospital:
YouTube - Evidence of Israel using white phosphorus bombs in Gaza (The Gaurdian)
See what I mean.
Did you think that no one here could find what Galloway has to say on the Net? Seems to me like you just want to post this crap all over as a few others do.
Do you send money to Hamas to support them?
