BREAKING: Omar Khadr wins appeal, will be transferred from federal prison

[Praxius]

Ironic, Afghanistan was in part extra-hostile due to the terrorist actions of Khadr and if memory serves, he is not an Afghan citizen yet decided to make war within their borders.

Man this whole topic just loves to go around in circles over and over again every time it gets updated with something.

"Yet decided to make war within their borders."

He decided?

As stated by Goober, he was 9 years old when "He Went" to Afghanistan.

I didn't know a 9 year old child could make this kind of decision at that age, pack his bags, pay for & organize a plane ticket to fly from Canada to Afghanistan and wander straight into the al-Qaeda and say "Sign me up B*tches, I'm gonna kill me some honkies!"

All on his own without any influence or help from anybody else.... say like his Father who was a nut job in the first place, knew exactly what he was doing and was an adult when he did it. I've got no sympathy for his father and he got what was coming to him.

Him pleading guilty in Gitmo was a show trial and a farce in all legal sense and was done so because that was the only way he was ever going to get out of there, rather than be kept there indefinitely.

Those were his choices: Plead guilty and maybe be able to get the hell out of there some year, or stay there until he died.

Anybody put in the same situation, regardless of innocence to the crimes charged, would eventually crack and do the same thing. After a few years in such living conditions / environment, I'd probably admit to shooting JFK, John Lennon and Kurt Cobain just to get the hell out of there.

If he was truly guilty and could be proven without a shred of doubt, then he should have been put through a real trial/court and have all the evidence presented to be decided upon..... if he was guilty and the US Government believed this, then what would they have to lose? Instead, they gave him half-azzed lawyers and in a "Court" that already decided his fate before anything started and forced him into a situation where he only really had one choice.

Maybe everything he did was true and maybe he really did decide to do all of this on his own free will and maybe he even tossed the grenade that killed the US medic guy and if he did, then "for the most part" he should get the punishment that fits the crime.

My opposition in all of this isn't due to sympathy for him being just a kid mixed up in a war. My opposition is over the legal joke he was put through. I don't care who we're talking about or whether or not they killed one or a million people with a rusty spoon.... this was a witch hunt plain and simple and for anybody who can't see this, they need to step away for a second, stare at a concrete wall, think about the situation being discussed.... and then bash their fk'n face into that wall to knock some sense into them.

 

[Spade]

Why is he still in prison?

Simple, really. You know the reason - politics.

 

[EagleSmack]

Simple, really. You know the reason - politics.

I'm not sure that is the reason.


The dog that caught the bus is what I am thinking.

 

[JLM]

It seems there's a few people here who don't understand the situation. It's not really rocket science. If Omar had been a 15 year old in Canada and he raped, mutilated and murdered a young child, he'd have served a minimum of 7 years in secure custody. What is so hard to understand about that? It only takes an I.Q. of about 5 to savvy!

 

[WLDB]

he is not an Afghan citizen yet decided to make war within their borders.

His parents brought him there when he was 13 - I don't know about you but I didn't get much say in where I went or what I did at 13. Given who his parents were and the fact that their family already had a certain level of infamy at the time they should not have been allowed to take him out of the country, particularly not one like that.

Man this whole topic just loves to go around in circles over and over again every time it gets updated with something.

That is usually my first thought whenever I see a thread with his name in it. Regardless of what a person believes or thinks is right/wrong on this issue it does get a little boring. Its kind of like threads about the death penalty, abortion, climate change or religion.

If he was truly guilty and could be proven without a shred of doubt, then he should have been put through a real trial/court and have all the evidence presented to be decided upon..... if he was guilty and the US Government believed this, then what would they have to lose? Instead, they gave him half-azzed lawyers and in a "Court" that already decided his fate before anything started and forced him into a situation where he only really had one choice.

Maybe everything he did was true and maybe he really did decide to do all of this on his own free will and maybe he even tossed the grenade that killed the US medic guy and if he did, then "for the most part" he should get the punishment that fits the crime.

My opposition in all of this isn't due to sympathy for him being just a kid mixed up in a war. My opposition is over the legal joke he was put through. I don't care who we're talking about or whether or not they killed one or a million people with a rusty spoon.

Thats pretty much my position. If he had been fighting in say the Congolese civil war they probably would have given him a book deal and talked about what led a kid into doing those sorts of things. Thats another thing I don't get - the inconsistency.

I really don't know why they do things the way they do in GITMO with their tribunals. They have had Khalid Sheikh Mohammed there for over ten years now and his trial hasn't even started yet even though he admits to doing what he did and they have a pretty air tight case agains him. At this rate I think he will probably die of natural causes before they actually get around to a trial or sentencing.

I hope the Feds appeal the decision. They should! They would probably be successful in an appeal.

They may. Who knows though, they haven't been having much luck with the courts lately.

He was of legal age, and will face the death penalty in the US

He wouldn't have been. Wouldn't have mattered if he had killed dozens of US troops that wouldn't have happened. In 2005 the US supreme court ruled the death penalty for those who committed the crime while under 18 to be unconstitutional. That would be a very difficult thing to get around if they had wanted the death penalty.

 

[taxslave]

Hopefully they never let him looseon the streets of Canada.

 

[Praxius]

Hopefully they never let him looseon the streets of Canada.

What do you think he will do? Blow something up?

Or do you fear for his safety from the public?

Either way, there will be so many people watching almost everything he does when he is released that he won't be able to do anything without half a million people knowing about it right away.....

..... Like Rob Ford.

 

[captain morgan]

Man this whole topic just loves to go around in circles over and over again every time it gets updated with something.

"Yet decided to make war within their borders."

He decided?

As stated by Goober, he was 9 years old when "He Went" to Afghanistan.

I didn't know a 9 year old child could make this kind of decision at that age, pack his bags, pay for & organize a plane ticket to fly from Canada to Afghanistan and wander straight into the al-Qaeda and say "Sign me up B*tches, I'm gonna kill me some honkies!"

All on his own without any influence or help from anybody else.... say like his Father who was a nut job in the first place, knew exactly what he was doing and was an adult when he did it. I've got no sympathy for his father and he got what was coming to him.

Him pleading guilty in Gitmo was a show trial and a farce in all legal sense and was done so because that was the only way he was ever going to get out of there, rather than be kept there indefinitely.

Those were his choices: Plead guilty and maybe be able to get the hell out of there some year, or stay there until he died.

Anybody put in the same situation, regardless of innocence to the crimes charged, would eventually crack and do the same thing. After a few years in such living conditions / environment, I'd probably admit to shooting JFK, John Lennon and Kurt Cobain just to get the hell out of there.

If he was truly guilty and could be proven without a shred of doubt, then he should have been put through a real trial/court and have all the evidence presented to be decided upon..... if he was guilty and the US Government believed this, then what would they have to lose? Instead, they gave him half-azzed lawyers and in a "Court" that already decided his fate before anything started and forced him into a situation where he only really had one choice.

Maybe everything he did was true and maybe he really did decide to do all of this on his own free will and maybe he even tossed the grenade that killed the US medic guy and if he did, then "for the most part" he should get the punishment that fits the crime.

My opposition in all of this isn't due to sympathy for him being just a kid mixed up in a war. My opposition is over the legal joke he was put through. I don't care who we're talking about or whether or not they killed one or a million people with a rusty spoon.... this was a witch hunt plain and simple and for anybody who can't see this, they need to step away for a second, stare at a concrete wall, think about the situation being discussed.... and then bash their fk'n face into that wall to knock some sense into them.

Khadr wasn't 9 when he killed a US Serviceman.... Further, he had a brother a few years older that had enough sense to understand that involvement in this was wrong.

Don't sell me this nonsense that he's a poor wee victim

 

[DaSleeper]

Dhimwits and Dhimmis abound around here

 

[JLM]

What do you think he will do? Blow something up?

Or do you fear for his safety from the public?

Either way, there will be so many people watching almost everything he does when he is released that he won't be able to do anything without half a million people knowing about it right away.....

..... Like Rob Ford.

Most of the people like Monday morning armchair quarterbacks weren't there when the original event occurred! -

 

[captain morgan]

Were you?

 

[JLM]

Were you?

No obviously and that's why I'm not all horny to destroy the rest of the man's life, especially given the lame evidence he was convicted on. Just the fact that waterboarding was put to use in Gitmo should have resulted in every one of those prisoners taking a walk.

 

[captain morgan]

But the men, women and children that had their lives destroyed by Khadr and his IEDs he so diligently and lovingly built just don't count for a hill of beans, eh?

Their lives were never as valuable as Omar's, so we should thank Khadr for providing a valuable service in the form of indiscriminate death and maiming.

 

[JLM]

But the men, women and children that had their lives destroyed by Khadr and his IEDs he so diligently and lovingly built just don't count for a hill of beans, eh?

Their lives were never as valuable as Omar's, so we should thank Khadr for providing a valuable service in the form of indiscriminate death and maiming.

What exactly was Omar's involvement?

 

[Praxius]

Khadr wasn't 9 when he killed a US Serviceman.... Further, he had a brother a few years older that had enough sense to understand that involvement in this was wrong.

Don't sell me this nonsense that he's a poor wee victim

*gestures in sign language* Learn.... To..... Read.


I said when he "Went" to Afghanistan, not when he allegedly tossed a grenade in a firefight.


And if that's the only thing you could cherry pick out of all of that & ignore all the rest, then I don't know what to tell you.


And again, I don't give a crap about his father or his brother. I'm talking about the legal process he was put through.


Concrete Wall -> THAT WAY

 

[JLM]

*gestures in sign language* Learn.... To..... Read.


I said when he "Went" to Afghanistan, not when he allegedly tossed a grenade in a firefight.

Perhaps the Capt. doesn't understand! -

 

[taxslave]

What do you think he will do? Blow something up?

Or do you fear for his safety from the public?

Either way, there will be so many people watching almost everything he does when he is released that he won't be able to do anything without half a million people knowing about it right away.....

..... Like Rob Ford.

You think there is any doubt he will try to blow something up?

 

[Praxius]

But the men, women and children that had their lives destroyed by Khadr and his IEDs he so diligently and lovingly built just don't count for a hill of beans, eh?

Their lives were never as valuable as Omar's, so we should thank Khadr for providing a valuable service in the form of indiscriminate death and maiming.

Connect him with any IED's that were used and killed specific people and prove it in court. A photo of him playing with wires can range from actually making IED's that were used in killing people, to just him training or practicing on how to make them (but never made one that was used) to him trying to fix his RC Race Car.


Hey there's a photo of me cleaning one of my dad's rifles, I must have therefore shot and killed someone.


I'm speaking of legalities, reasonable doubt and actual evidence..... You're just spouting emotional dribble.


Again, take it all to a real court, prove the case, find him actually guilty and punish him accordingly and without question.


I don't know if he is guilty or not & neither do you. In fact the only people who currently know the truth of it all is Omar and all the dead guys that were around him when he was captured.


No truth was found in Guantanamo.

 

[captain morgan]

*gestures in sign language* Learn.... To..... Read.

... LOLs at sign-language gesture.

I said when he "Went" to Afghanistan, not when he allegedly tossed a grenade in a firefight.

What about when he fell off his bike at 6 years old?... That part of the excuse too?

How about all of the 'crafts and bundt cakes' he so lovingly made.... At the tender age of 15, he thought that they were to help the people of a foreign nation (of which he knew he was not one)?

And if that's the only thing you could cherry pick out of all of that & ignore all the rest, then I don't know what to tell you.

Quite the opposite... You see, I don't take one unique element (ie his young age... 9 you say, right?) and then extrapolate that across the remainder of his life to act as a broad brush excuse.

Golly... I suppose that we can find some excuse for Paul Bernado or Jeffrey Dhalmer and absolve them too, as they were so deeply affected in their youth that all should be forgiven now

And again, I don't give a crap about his father or his brother. I'm talking about the legal process he was put through.

Of course you don't care that his brother (that had the same exposure to the overall and underlying issues)... It undermines you position completely.

Concrete Wall -> THAT WAY

Will I see multiple impressions of your head-banging at the concrete?

 

[Praxius]

Aww, apparently someone didn't like me putting Omar and Rob Ford in the same post (Durry) I guess I must have a Jihad against Rob Ford


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