Biting the hand that feeds them

[Mowich]

I'm not sure of my stand on GMO foods - there are many "pros & cons" out there. How many varieties of apples are there now then there used to be. Are any of them dangerous? I'm sure not all of them were grafted were they? I don't know....

I think I am more concerned with the fact that one company (Monsanto) has control over so much. If I recall correctly, a farmer in Sask (??) was sued by Monsanto because they claimed he was using their seed without their consent when in fact, the seed came from an ajacent field that was blown by the wind into this farmers yard. Guess who lost?? (It wasn't Monsanto). That fact alone makes me EXTREMELY nervous. It also looks like governments in N.A. have been bought and paid for.... This is one Corporation that is really making me nervous since it seems to control so much relating to food. That's what I'm more concerned about.

JMHO

It also has a really nasty history. Monsanto is the company that gave the world a gift that keeps on giving - Agent Orange. I suggest you watch the doc that Cliffy mentioned - The World According to Monsanto - if you wish to learn more about the company.

 

[Cliffy]

Right.
Globally people are living longer, healthier, more prosperous lives than ever before due in large part to a secure and abundant food supply. GMO crops play a significant part of that food supply.

Yup, if you want to look like those tumor ridden rats I posted.

 

[petros]

The World According to Monsanto

A lot of it is bullsh*t and misinformation. I'd love to know how these people think they plan on stopping the spread of pest flora, fungi and insects from one end of the globe to the other?

Some countries have a 100% ban on any non-native seeds, spores or insects coming into their country.

1 stinking mustard seed can mean entire ship load of grain is refused at port.

Then what?

Try somewhere else and hope like hell your grain, pulse or oil seed doesn't heat and burn your ship right down to the waterline?

Who pays for that?

Shippers or the producer?

That includes hemp seed too Cliffy.

 

[Tonington]

Yup, if you want to look like those tumor ridden rats I posted.

There's a thread on that study. The rats they used are known for spontaneously developing tumors:

I don't suppose anyone actually read the study (Article in press at this link)? As the recently departed Koko mentioned, it starts out with a bad smell when the researchers release pre-prints of their paper with an embargo forbidding journalists from seeking evaluation from researchers in the field. That not only smells, it's plainly unethical.

As for the actual study? Turns out their study population is a population of rats known for their predisposition towards tumor development (That's a paper from the 70's demonstrating spontaneous tumor development in this study population). There are known factors that influence tumor development that the researchers did not control for. That's a pretty big red flag.

 

[tay]

I've gone from a 44+" to a 32" waist, like I had when I was twenty. No Aspartame required, just no wheat, wheat-starch, corn and corn-starch.




MONSANTO CAN BE DANGEROUS TO YOUR HEALTH. So contends GMO, a site devoted to "Raising awareness about the risks of genetically modified food (GMOs)", with an article, "Monsanto’s Dirty Dozen".

Monsanto has been dangerous for a long, long time, since 1901. The company moved into the food area with the production of Saccharin for Coca-Cola, but Monsanto produced all sorts of toxic stuff, like Polystyrene, PCB's, Dioxin, DDT, Agent Orange and the scourge of today's farmers, RoundUp, as well as Bovine Growth Hormone, Aspertame and other toxics.

Monsanto’s not alone. Other companies in the “Big Six” include Pioneer Hi-Bred International (a subsidiary of DuPont), Syngenta AG, Dow Agrosciences (a subsidiary of Dow Chemical, BASF (which is primarily a chemical company that is rapidly expanding their biotechnology division, and Bayer Cropscience (a subsidiary of Bayer).




Agent Orange Survivors

Aspartame was discovered as a drug in the 60s (first approved in 1974 then rescinded because of the brain tumor issue — then approved again, over the objections of many scientists, in 1981) and is composed of two synthetic amino acids, Phenylalanine, Aspartic Acid and Methanol (10% wood alcohol). At temperatures exceeding 85 degrees F (body temperature is 98.6) the substance breaks down further into Formaldehyde, Formic Acid, and Diketopiperazine (a brain tumor agent). Aspartame complaints make up 80% of all complaints volunteered to the FDA. Aspartame is often the unidentified environmental trigger for: Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Alzheimers, Lyme Disease, Post Polio Syndrome, Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, Epilepsy, Anxiety/Phobia Disorders, Manic Depression, Graves’ Disease, Multiple Sclerosis, Heart Disease, Eosinophilia Myalgia Syndrome and others. Many Doctors have reported drastic improvement or disappearance of symptoms after removing Aspartame from the patients’ diet. On rechallenge, the symptoms tend to return. Symptoms reported to the FDA include: headache, nausea, vertigo, insomnia, numbness, blurred vision, blindness, memory loss, suicidal depression, personality and behavior changes, hyperactivity, gastrointestinal disorders, seizures, skin lesions, muscle cramping and joint pain, fatigue, heart attack symptoms, hearing loss and tinnitus, pulmonary and cerebral edemas, shock and death.


About Aspartame | DORway

 

[petros]

Round up is a scourge? It has been on the market for 37 years. Did you know that?

 

[Cliffy]

Round up is a scourge? It has been on the market for 37 years. Did you know that?

And all efforts to get it off the market failed, that is how powerful Monsanto is. They don't care if any of their products have adverse effects, they just care about money. GMOs are not about feeding the world, they are about controlling the food supply. Your contract with them guarantees you can never grow anything other than their products. Where is the choice in that?

 

[petros]

RoundUp isn't GMO Cliffy.

Have you ever read a seed, fert, herbicide package contract? I can grow whatever the Hell I want.

 

[darkbeaver]

Right.
Globally people are living longer, healthier, more prosperous lives than ever before due in large part to a secure and abundant food supply. GMO crops play a significant part of that food supply.

Yes the part played by GM crops is significant, but they are ten to twenty percent less significant than the crops they replace and they have far more undesirable side effects. The first sentence was obviously lifted off Monsatans web site. There's chicken tumours in hot dogs. Did you know that?

 

[petros]

Would you smoke GMO weed?

 

[darkbeaver]

Would you smoke GMO weed?

Mail me a pound and I'll try it? Thanks for asking.

 

[petros]

What happens to the hippy world when hemp and weed goes GMO?

Would a chrysanthemum pyrethrum gene be a bad thing in weed and hemp?

 

[darkbeaver]

I am certainly not against genetic modification. Every time natural genetic modifications happen it s not necessarily a bad thing, however when banking minions working in labs modify for reasons other than altruistic, like say poisoning food stocks, I become mildly upset. Hey Petros these guys have been at the game for a very long time and they never forget to piss in the enemies grain bins if they can't steal them. They doctored the money the water the fuel the housing and there's no way they haven't done the food. There's just no good side to the elite slime that thinks it owns the world.

What happens to the hippy world when hemp and weed goes GMO?

Would a chrysanthemum pyrethrum gene be a bad thing in weed and hemp?

Hippies? Something has displaced you forty years in time Petros. Look around it's later than you think. Why do we want to dabble with genes when the fixes have proven to be less than advertized? What's the payoff to the H race man? Why do we have to support this for less or worse? Give me organic or get off my steps. Matter of fact next time you visit use the back entrance.

 

[L Gilbert]

I mentioned before that I think that there are good aspects as well as bad aspects to GM stuff. I really would think it'd be cool to grow tomatoes n peppers through the winter even if they don't provide the same nutritional value as other tomatoes and peppers. But I sure as hell wouldn't mix them with my natural tomatoes and peppers.
What I don't like is stuff like this: DailyTech - Monsanto Defeats Small Farmers in Critical Bioethics Class Action Suit
A bully is a bully and would still be a bully under any other name and if it has better lawyers than others to win court cases. Monsanto is simply a vile company because of its practises.

 

[hunboldt]

I am certainly not against genetic modification. Every time natural genetic modifications happen it s not necessarily a bad thing, however when banking minions working in labs modify for reasons other than altruistic, like say poisoning food stocks, I become mildly upset. Hey Petros these guys have been at the game for a very long time and they never forget to piss in the enemies grain bins if they can't steal them. They doctored the money the water the fuel the housing and there's no way they haven't done the food. There's just no good side to the elite slime that thinks it owns the world.



Hippies? Something has displaced you forty years in time Petros. Look around it's later than you think. Why do we want to dabble with genes when the fixes have proven to be less than advertized? What's the payoff to the H race man? Why do we have to support this for less or worse? Give me organic or get off my steps. Matter of fact next time you visit use the back entrance.

If you ignore him, DarkBeaver, he eventually wanders away....

And all efforts to get it off the market failed, that is how powerful Monsanto is. They don't care if any of their products have adverse effects, they just care about money. GMOs are not about feeding the world, they are about controlling the food supply. Your contract with them guarantees you can never grow anything other than their products. Where is the choice in that?

In Canada, New crop varieties were traditionally developed and tested on the Dominion experimental farms, then released pro bonem to farmers.

Although the system had some 'flops', AKA Garnet Wheat, it served our country remarklably well.

Garnet appeared to bea 'quality flop'- but the accumulated stocks fed POW's during WW2.

 

[petros]

If you ignore him, DarkBeaver, he eventually wanders away....

Sorry but I don't.

I'm going to haunt your pathetic azz until you blow a gasket and get punted again.

 

[darkbeaver]

Of course petros will not just wander away nor should he be encouraged to do so by slight or slander or the application of a broom handle. He is an intelligent asset and much loved by the assembly of Canadian Content.




I did it like you said petros, pm the cash quietly.

 

[petros]

Thank you Beaver.

 

[hunboldt]

Of course petros will not just wander away nor should he be encouraged to do so by slight or slander or the application of a broom handle. He is an intelligent asset and much loved by the assembly of Canadian Content.




I did it like you said petros, pm the cash quietly.

I was suggesting a trap row of quick corn that would sequester him safely with the other boll weevils...

 

[darkbeaver]

no I mustn't listen , I'm standing myself in the corner and plugging my ears