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I don't know. Maybe go to a bar after 2am on a weekend and I think you will find a few. i have heard a few frequent dark alleys and dumpsters too.

"Abstract
The physical-disease charcteristics of 125 skid row and 736 non-skid row male alcoholics were compared in detail to determine whether skid row alcoholism is characterized by a distinct medical, as well as a social, profile. Trauma, tuberculosis, venereal disease, and malnutrition were more common in the skid row alcoholics. Epilepsy, peripheral neuritis, acute brain syndromes, chronic brain disease, and lifetime recordings of all nervous system illnesses also occurred more frequently in the skid row group, as did gastritis, gastrointestinal hemorrhage, ulcer surgery, and postgastrectomy syndrome. Fatty liver, hypertension, ischemic heart disease, cardiomyopathy, and cardiovascular illnesses of all kinds, however, were less common. The skid row medical profile is, in part, the product of a unique sociologic environment. Thus, skid row alcoholism may be viewed as a distinct sociomedical entity."


Skid row alcoholism. A distinct sociomedical... [Arch Intern Med. 1976] - PubMed - NCBI
That is evolution in action (see Darwin Awards. Homo sapiens decline; Neo Sapiens rise! February 2013 ), not mutation. :D

I did years ago. Since that time I've weeded out the BS on both sides of the equation. Organic obviously had more weeds.

As I mentioned above and what was noted by the GMO white wheat article being caught, inspectors are on the ball which means that organics which are loaded with noxious weed contamination and are lower grade and don't meet the standards.

Organics can't meet those export standards so their only option is to attack the GMO that does meet export grade standards so they can have the domestic market.

What exactly are the standards for the Organic Label? Any idea?
In Canada : Labelling of Organic Products - Questions and Answers - Food - Canadian Food Inspection Agency
 

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I don't know. Maybe go to a bar after 2am on a weekend and I think you will find a few. i have heard a few frequent dark alleys and dumpsters too.

Feral humans.

They are just like squirrels, if you give them a peanut, they'll just keep hanging around until they get another peanut.

Eventually they just steal the peanuts off the picnic table, get fat and lazy and end up being prey.
 

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I did years ago. Since that time I've weeded out the BS on both sides of the equation. Organic obviously had more weeds.

As I mentioned above and what was noted by the GMO white wheat article being caught, inspectors are on the ball which means that organics which are loaded with noxious weed contamination and are lower grade and don't meet the standards.

Organics can't meet those export standards so their only option is to attack the GMO that does meet export grade standards so they can have the domestic market.

What exactly are the standards for the Organic Label? Any idea?



Again just come out and tell us.


Its nto a question of 'attack', people have every right to have GMO foods clearly labeled, not 'snuck into the food chain'.

BTW, the weed seed contamination is removed form ogarnics by mechanical grain cleaning. Base Technology is approx. 150 years old, but don't let that stop you.

Speaking of wheat, WHY would you respond to my post on Garnet Wheat with

("Sorry but I don't.

I'm going to haunt your pathetic azz until you blow a gasket and get punted again.
)"


whenever you throw a bizarre tantrum, Petros, posters really start to discount you....
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Again just come out and tell us.


Its nto a question of 'attack', people have every right to have GMO foods clearly labeled, not 'snuck into the food chain'.

BTW, the weed seed contamination is removed form ogarnics by mechanical grain cleaning. Base Technology is approx. 150 years old, but don't let that stop you.

Speaking of wheat, WHY would you respond to my post on Garnet Wheat with

("Sorry but I don't.

I'm going to haunt your pathetic azz until you blow a gasket and get punted again.
)"


whenever you throw a bizarre tantrum, Petros, posters really start to discount you....
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F*ck you're weird.

And clueless,...
 

petros

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Why are there grain inspectors in foreign ports? To find GMO seed or are they looking for invasive flora?

Seed cleaning doesn't get 100% of the weed seed. If it did, all these inspectors world wide wouldn't be employed inspecting imported grains would they?

and you're still weird and clueless but that may be a side effects of GMO beer.

And you are obvioulsy a thirteen year old dealing with puberty, trying to 'impress the adults'..
And failing at it...
What the f*ck is your excuse? A stroke like the old man?
 

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Its nto a question of 'attack', people have every right to have GMO foods clearly labeled, not 'snuck into the food chain'.

So, supposing a labeling bill passes, what qualifies as a genetically modified organism? What if I breed plants to the point that they express a novel protein that you wouldn't find in wild populations of the same plant? That's essentially what conventional breeding of plants and animals has done. How is that different from molecular techniques? The same protein could be derived from either method, and somehow I imagine most would be fine with using traditional plant breeding techniques.

What if I vaccinate an animal with a DNA vaccine? Is it a GMO because it's cells I injected the vaccine into are now expressing a foreign protein? If that's a GMO, then what about someone who is infected with a virus? Their bodies are also expressing foreign proteins.

You may think it's straightforward to label something GMO, but it isn't. Organic products are modified genetically. Is your local organic farmer supposed to label his produce the same as Monsanto?
 

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You may think it's straightforward to label something GMO, but it isn't.
Organic products are modified genetically. Is your local organic farmer supposed
to label his produce the same as Monsanto?
Independent seed growers supply seed to both organic and package companies like Monsanto.

Seed that is grown in fields that are side by side of each other.

New, more disease and pest resistant genetics are supplied to these independent growers by public institutions like U of Sask, U of Alberta, and old school landrace various of oil, cereal and pulse crops that have been around for thousands of years are introduced to the food chain continuously to provide high yields, drought, pest and disease resistance.

None of the grain diseases or pests that producers face are new, they are symbiotic with rye grasses. It's the introduction of variations that has kept us 2 steps ahead of these food stock threating problems instead of 1 step ahead for both corporate and organic seeds stock.
 

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GOVERNMENT OF SASKATCHEWAN AND INDUSTRY INVEST IN WHEAT RESEARCH

Research to Improve Yields and Increase Disease Tolerance

Today Agriculture Minister Lyle Stewart announced $5 million in wheat research funding over five years. This investment, along with the recently-announced Canadian Wheat Alliance is part of a $10 million commitment made by Premier Brad Wall at the Saskatchewan Agriculture Wheat Summit in February 2012.

This funding will be matched by private sector companies to target projects aimed at accelerating the development of wheat varieties as well as improving yields and competitiveness of our wheat industry. Today’s announcement allocates $2.7 million for the first three projects.

“Wheat is an important part of our economy with Saskatchewan exporting more than nine million tonnes of wheat worth more than $3 billion in 2012,” Stewart said. “Through these unique public-private partnerships, we are collaborating with industry to advance wheat research that will improve on these numbers and benefit farmers, our economy and consumers around the world.”

These projects are co-funded with a $2.7 million investment by the province, together with a $2.7 million private sector investment by Dow AgroSciences ($1,250,000), Bayer CropScience ($800,000) and Secan ($665,000).


The three projects receiving funding will target:
  • Enhancement of wheat breeding capacity;
  • Development of wheat varieties for added quality and performance; and
  • Integration of fungicide strategies and genetic resistance to control stripe rust in wheat.
Another $2.3 million in funding is available for future research projects, with a call for proposals coming in the fall.

These projects are funded through the Government of Saskatchewan’s Agriculture Development Fund (ADF). The ADF invests millions of dollars each year to support agriculture research that is critical to Saskatchewan producers. Since 2007, the provincial government has invested more than $57 million through ADF.

“It is important for the integration of public and private partnerships in developing research projects to improve the competitiveness of Saskatchewan wheat producers,” Commercial Leader Grains and Oils with Dow AgroSciences David Dzisiak said. “Developing and encouraging future research will not only help the wheat industry in Saskatchewan, but sends a message to others that private investment will be needed to develop continued growth in the years to come.”

“Bayer CropScience is excited to invest in these projects to bring further innovations to Canadian agriculture,” Business Operations Seeds at Bayer CropScience Marcus Weidler said. “Wheat is a vital crop to feeding a growing global population. Bayer values an integrated partner approach to help solve devastating diseases that can rob wheat yields across the Canadian prairies.”

“The joint project with SeCan, AAFC and ADF will provide needed funding to wheat research to ensure on-going development and evaluation of wheat lines,” Research and Development Manager with SeCan Jim Downey said. “This funding will be critical since it will help wheat to remain a competitive crop on the Canadian prairies and wheat producers will be the direct beneficiaries of this incremental research activity.”



For more information, contact:
Cory Kolt
Agriculture
Regina
Phone: 306-787-2359
Email: cory.kolt@gov.sk.ca
Cell: 306-527-0521

What? No Monsanto? How can this be?
 

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So, supposing a labeling bill passes, what qualifies as a genetically modified organism? What if I breed plants to the point that they express a novel protein that you wouldn't find in wild populations of the same plant? That's essentially what conventional breeding of plants and animals has done. How is that different from molecular techniques? The same protein could be derived from either method, and somehow I imagine most would be fine with using traditional plant breeding techniques.

What if I vaccinate an animal with a DNA vaccine? Is it a GMO because it's cells I injected the vaccine into are now expressing a foreign protein? If that's a GMO, then what about someone who is infected with a virus? Their bodies are also expressing foreign proteins.

You may think it's straightforward to label something GMO, but it isn't. Organic products are modified genetically. Is your local organic farmer supposed to label his produce the same as Monsanto?


It is a complex question - good one though.

It is the application of common sense rules with some 'give on both sides- somewhere between' formaldehyde in milk' and 'we all graze for berries' is a set of reasonable guidelines.

for instance, since I don't 'eat cotton'- I'm a lot more receptive to GMO cotton!.

Orgainic food has provided employment for a whole new processing industry, small farmers, etc, and allows rural propulation levels to be maintained. Something the 'big guys' gloss over.

BTW, if at all possible CAN WE KEEP THE PROFANITY 'Tweakers' out of the discussion?? It's against board guidelines, no matter how you cutesy it up with * and reverse letters...

PLus it makes to poster whgo uses it look, well, "dense'.
 

petros

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Organic food has provided employment for a whole new processing industry, small farmers, etc, and allows rural propulation levels to be maintained. Something the 'big guys' gloss over.
They don't employ any more people than us "big guys" do. There is nothing different about or any expansion to the process end of it of production either.

The majority of organic producers became organic because of the drought in the 80's.

In the 90's farming technology took giants leaps forward in high yielding seed breeding, fertilizers and equipment. Those who for whatever reason be it debt or bad credit, stuck with the old technology, lower yield cheaper seed that doesn't require fertilizers and weren't able to buy the bigger, stronger, faster and better equipment needed to deal with high yielding crops.

This how the organic farm and organic industry was born. It happened at the perfect time with the moonbeam green movement taking root and the organic INDUSTRY figured they would milk that as much as possible by promoting their product as green and ego/eco friendly.

In reality there is nothing green or ego/eco friendly about organics and they aren't any healthier or more nutrient laden than conventional farms.

Organics still use pesticides, herbicides and anti-biotics just like conventional producers do. They just use them in a little bit different ways that are beneficial to them.

If you want "real organic" you have to grow it yourself which is something I highly recommend people do because simply being outdoors tending a garden is far better for your physical and emotional health than the food you are growing.
 

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[QUOTE=petros;1753137]They don't employ any more people than us "big guys" do. There is nothing different about or any expansion to the process end of it of production either.

The majority of organic producers became organic because of the drought in the 80's.


so what? They provide an alturnative choice system. That means more employment.

You really need to read More Adam Smith. " The Wealth of Nations".

rather than the 'Perfect Kuklaz" by Nikita Krueschev...