BHO running in '12 unlikely.

[AnnaG]

That's what you just proved.



Or.....avec un doigt dans le vent.

lol .... et un pouce vers le haut de l'âne tandis que les autres doigts de mains sélectionnent secrètement le public' ; poche de s. En attendant les escroqueries continuent l'effort de nous convertir d'une démocratie représentative plus loin en plutarchy élu. La politique n'est-elle pas exquise ?

(Sorry if my french is a little weird. Not much practise )

 

[ironsides]

This will probably ruin his chances of winning in 2012..

This is supposed to be part of the new Health Care Bill.


The originator of this notice contactedhisCongressman about House bill HR3590 the health care bill, that just passed, and asked for a summary of changes.An aid directed him to go to www: thomas.gov ; enter HR3590 in the searchBox and look for summaries.

Starting in 2011 (next year folks) your W 2 tax form sent by your employer Will be increased to show the value of what ever health insurance you are Given by the company. It does not matter if that's a private concern or Governmental body of some sort. If you're retired ? So what; your gross Will go up by the amount of insurance you get.

The dollar value (cost of what the company pays for your insurance) will be considered income and added to your gross pay. You will be taxed on the total.

You will be required to pay taxes on a large sum of money that you have never seen.

Take your tax form you just finished and see what $15,000 or $20,000
Additional gross does to your tax debt. That's what you'll pay next year.
For many it also puts you into a new higher bracket so it's even worse.

This is how the government is going to buy insurance for 15 % that don't
Have insurance and it's only part of the tax increases.

Not believing this I researched the summaries and here's what I read:

On page 25 of 29 :

TITLE IX REVENUE PROVISIONS- SUBTITLE A: REVENUE OFFSET PROVISIONS-(sec .
9001 , as modified by sec. 10901)
Sec.9002. "requires employers to include in the W-2 form of each employeethe aggregate cost of applicable employer sponsored group health coveragethat is excludable from the employees gross income."

Joan Pryde is the senior tax editor for the Kiplinger letters. Go to
Kiplingers and read about 13 tax changes that could affect you. Number 3 iswhat I just told you about.

 

[JLM]

This will probably ruin his chances of winning in 2012..

This is supposed to be part of the new Health Care Bill.


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That doesn't surprise me, I think most of us knew with the new Health care scheme things would be a lot different, not necessarily better. :smile:

 

[Kreskin]

That's basically how the rest of the free world operates. Benefits are usually taxable.

It's no wonder federal debt is getting out of hand. Everyone wants something for nothing.

 

[JLM]

That's basically how the rest of the free world operates. Benefits are usually taxable.

It's no wonder federal debt is getting out of hand. Everyone wants something for nothing.

Yep, we want all kinds of services and we don't like taxes- you can't have it both ways.

 

[gopher]

Run, Palin, run! Take someone like Taitz as your running mate. PLEASE!!!

 

[YukonJack]

Obama should, rightfully, worry about Alvin Green in 2012.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Obama should, rightfully, worry about Alvin Green in 2012.

Really? I thought he had to worry about Palin, that Palin had the presidency as good as won in 2012.

That's basically how the rest of the free world operates. Benefits are usually taxable.

It's no wonder federal debt is getting out of hand. Everyone wants something for nothing.

I suspect that is how USA operates as well. If company gives you some benefit (medical plan, dental plan etc.) I assume they would be taxable in USA, as in everywhere. What ironsides read was probably Republican, Tea party propaganda.

Run, Palin, run! Take someone like Taitz as your running mate. PLEASE!!!

I haven't heard about her for a while. Is she still pursuing several lawsuits against Obama? She always seems to be under the impression that she is one step away from having Obama arrested and deported.

I remember in one of these lawsuits, she demanded from Obama's lawyers that they stipulate that the trial will go ahead and start with the discovery process in advance. Obama's lawyers of course told her to take a hike. Eventually the judge dismissed the suit, with a reprimand for Taitz.

 

[gopher]

Members of the far right like Palin, Taitz, and the Tea Baggers are all strangely silent now that their deregulation schemes ahev backfired.

 

[ironsides]

This Obama is any different, Obama never could make a snap decision, if a general I appoint tells me he needs more people to do a job, I had better either support him or admit I made a mistake and relieve him. We gave the enemy to much time to prepare while Obama decided what to do.

 

[Walter]

Mark Steyn thinks like I do.

Chris Matthews and the other leg-tinglers invented an Obama that doesn’t exist. Unfortunately, they’re stuck with the one that does, and it will be interesting to see whether he’s capable of plugging the leak in his own support. If not, who knows what the tide might wash up?
Memo to Secretary Rodham Clinton: Do you find yourself of a quiet evening with a strange craving for chicken dinners and county fairs in Iowa and New Hampshire, maybe next summer? Need one of those relaunch books to explain why you’re getting back in the game in your country’s hour of need?

SteynOnline - THE MEDIOCRITY OF HOPE

 

[Tonington]

Mark Steyn thinks like I do.http://www.steynonline.com/content/view/3420/

Must be reading the same tea leaves.

I'm curious, can you give odds? You say it's unlikely, how unlikely? Have you bought any futures in prediction markets yet? Those tea leaves might make you some money:
http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/common/c_cd.jsp?conDetailID=652754&z=1277592780302

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Mark Steyn thinks like I do.

Chris Matthews and the other leg-tinglers invented an Obama that doesn’t exist. Unfortunately, they’re stuck with the one that does, and it will be interesting to see whether he’s capable of plugging the leak in his own support. If not, who knows what the tide might wash up?
Memo to Secretary Rodham Clinton: Do you find yourself of a quiet evening with a strange craving for chicken dinners and county fairs in Iowa and New Hampshire, maybe next summer? Need one of those relaunch books to explain why you’re getting back in the game in your country’s hour of need?

SteynOnline - THE MEDIOCRITY OF HOPE

Mark Steyn, isn't he a well known right wing extremist? Another Rush Limbaugh, perhaps? He considers Rich Lowry, another extreme right wing nut, as his colleague. Enough said.

Must be reading the same tea leaves.

I'm curious, can you give odds? You say it's unlikely, how unlikely? Have you bought any futures in prediction markets yet? Those tea leaves might make you some money:
2012.DEM.NOM.OBAMA 00:07

Odds? You mean on the 2010 and 2012 elections? I will give you odds, as seen by Teabaggers.

2010 - Republicans get 68 seats in the Senate and 450 seats in the House. They have a comfortable veto proof majority and they will govern the country over Obama's head. They will repeal everything that Obama got passed. Health Care Reform, Wall Street Reform, Banking Reform etc. They will also repeal the anti-discrimination act he passed and legalize discrimination against gays once again. They will permit unrestricted, unlimited drilling everywhere and anywhere, including Alaskan wilderness.

They will also impeach Obama's nominees on the Supreme Court and replace them with teabaggers.

2010 - Palin wins in a landslide, carrying all the 50 states. Republicans increase their majorities in the Senate and House. The Tea party and Republican Party agenda of converting USA into a Fundamentalist Christian Theocracy proceeds at full speed.

 

[gopher]

Mark Steyn = regular writer for the Moonie cult Washington Times. That tells you all you need to know about his lack of credibility.

 

[YukonJack]

Re post #74.

I would like to give credit that it was just a simple mistake and placing the Presidential election in 2010.

But the rest of the content of the last paragraph in post #74 is so outrageous and stupid that it does not deserve any logical response.

For that matter so are the response Walter, and the response to Tonnigton.

Hell, the entire post!

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Re post #74.

I would like to give credit that it was just a simple mistake and placing the Presidential election in 2010.

But the rest of the content of the last paragraph in post #74 is so outrageous and stupid that it does not deserve any logical response.

For that matter so are the response Walter, and the response to Tonnigton.

Hell, the entire post!

That is known in technical jargon as satire. And you are right, 2010 in reference to Palin was a typo, it should have been 2012.

 

[Machjo]

For all of Obama's flaws, he's a saint compared to Bush. Not a breath of fresh air for sure, but still a clearing of the smoke, at least enough to keep the lungs pumping a little longer.

 

[Walter]

More folks are jumping on the bandwagon. The Bamster is SOL.
Hillary Clinton for President - WSJ.com

 

[SirJosephPorter]

And I have a strong feeling you are wrong. Why compare him to L.B.J.? From what I can remember about L.B.J. one reason he didn't run for a second term was health concerns. (Had he run and won he would have barely survived the second term anyway.)

LBJ was one of the most successful presidents of the 20th century, in terms of agenda implemented, bills passed. He was even more successful than FDR. With his civil rights, great society, war on poverty agenda, he was able to transform USA in a profound way. His impact lasted for decades, is felt even today.

The only reason he decided not to run for second term was Vietnam war and poor health.

More folks are jumping on the bandwagon. The Bamster is SOL.
Hillary Clinton for President - WSJ.com

If WSJ, the Republican shill, wants Hillary to run, that tells me that Republicans are more confident that they will be able to defeat Hillary, they are less confident that they will be able to defeat Obama.

Incidentally, Time published a hypothetical poll recently, of a match up between Obama and Palin. Obama wins by 54% to 30%.

 

[JLM]

LBJ was one of the most successful presidents of the 20th century, in terms of agenda implemented, bills passed. He was even more successful than FDR. With his civil rights, great society, war on poverty agenda, he was able to transform USA in a profound way. His impact lasted for decades, is felt even today.

The only reason he decided not to run for second term was Vietnam war and poor health.

I don't believe I have ever disputed that, albeit for some reason I never found L.B.J. particularly attractive (but I never found him grossly unattractive either)