davyth said:
According to what law? She's not the first to cross the floor and won't be the last. Why is Parrish allowed to sit as an independent after being kicked out of the liberal party, instead of being forced to wait for an election, join a party and run for the party instead of her district?
davyth said:
I guess you're young or just started paying attention due to all the marketing hype the "conservative" strategists/marketers are throwing around, to prey on the ignorant.
Party politics has been playing games for quite a long time. Political parties have not only out-lived their usefulness but have created shams out of democracies.
And what's Harper up to? You think he's not playing games? He's playing very dangerous games and forced Stronach out "the party" by trying to strongarm her. What kind of games are these:
I saw it in the CTV Newsnet ticker, then heard about then looked it up and it was all over the place this morning. But I got home from an appointment, missed Politics on NW but saw a little clip of the Deputy PM sitting beside Stronach calling "conservative" reform-alliance MP's sexist. :shock: What stunning news. Again. For no reason: they just called her a prostitute, whore, dipstick, house-wrecker, blonde "bombshell", etc., she's the prostitute, the PM is the John.
It would never be said over a male. Scott Brison left the "conservative" reform-alliance and joined the liberals and his physical appearance never entered into anything. Nor did he join as an independent until some election happened along -- because it's totally up to the MP and the party and the MP's electorate.
No one can say that Newmarket-Aurora voted for Harper. 90% of Ontarians had no clue who Stephen Harper even was before the last election. Over 75% had no clue who or what the "Alliance" or "Reform" were.
Now they know better. It was a protest vote against the Ontario Liberal Party, in blind rages over no remedy to them breaking laws, along with over 100 "campaign" promises, right before the last general election.
If "Alliance Party" had been on the ballots, they wouldn't have picked up anything. The votes would have gone to the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada. The real Conservatives, not western reform-alliance MP's that never got anywhere in Ontario or east of it. Manitoba sent in 5 liberal MP's, 4 NDP, 4 "reform-alliance" and 1 PC in the 2000 general election. 4 out of 14 seats not for the "reform-alliance".
Joe Clark stepped down as leader of the real Conservative Party of Canada, not the western reform-alliance. Peter MacKay, no one knows who he is either, took Clarke's place and went mental and turned into the ultimate traitor joining the western reform-alliance christian evangelical socialist sexist discriminatory racists.
What about the election for that one? What a referendum in all of the Canadas for that one? How many people with Progressive Conservative MP's ended up in the western reform-alliance clan, without ALLL OF THEM having to become independents until the next election?
You're not thinking very hard or applying the same standards to something with far more gravity than one MP having to leave a party because her electorate doesn't want an election next month along with the majority of the population of Canada.
They want the report from Gomery before making a decision, due to not really giving a crap, because it's over lunch money, and the "conservative" they thought they voted in turned out to be "conservative" reform-alliance, wasting more of our time and money bitching about the stupid advertising campaign than what the whole campaign was ever worth in the first place, let alone $5,000 here, $10,000 there in contradictory testimony for a judge to figure out, not the Harper or any of them, slandering people by abusing their extra-special rights in the House of Commons around speech that they would never outside the House, because they'd be sued into oblivion.
The majority of Canadians want Gomery's findings as well as the majority of the people in Newmarket-Aurora.
The majority of Canadians want the budget to pass and not the first one with tax cuts to the richest corporations in the country, bu the modified one that allocates money more to the needs of the Canadian people. But still keeping the corporate tax cuts that matter, to medium-small businesses, the ones that create all the new jobs as opposed to downsizing and offshoring and outsourcing and are the economic backbone.
But that's not what Harper wants. He wants an election next month -- but watch him dither on that when he figures out that his own stupidity is going to give the liberals a MAJORITY now. The "conservative" reform-alliance is finished, washed up in south Ontario now.
And Harper is harping at Newfoundland & Labrador's premier, trying to tell him to mind his own business, trying to strongarm him over his obligations to NL, the poorest province in the country, with the highest net debt per capita in the country that has a chance of getting out from under that, but only if the revised version of the budget passes, which is Harper is strongarming MP's from Newfoundland & Labrador who have to represent the interests of their electorates and their province, but it's Harper's way or the highway. They're not "allowed" to vote how they want to. They have to vote against a budget that's great news for their province.
Someone posted a link to an article last night about Harper harping on NL's premier and the two MP's from NL who obviously should walk across the floor or over to the NDP, so they can vote for their electorates and province.
But you just plum ignore it all while forgetting the Harper-MacKay deal, that a referendum should have been held over, let alone an election.
The Conservative Party of Canada is Ontario's party. But it was called Lower Canada then, long before confederation, let alone the Western Territory and Rupert's Land becoming provinces of Canada.
By WHAT RIGHT does our party merge up with a bunch of freaks from the Northwestern Territory and Rupert's Land, who managed to win all of three seats in their history, east of Manitoba? We clearly didn't want them, but you think that Belinda Stronach, from south Ontario, shouldn't be allowed to leave a freak party after what Harper harped on her, so she could vote how not only her own electorate but the majority of Canada wants her to vote?
But it's just fine to destroy a political party that existed before confederation (of Canada with New Brunswick and Nova Scotia, not the west) with no nothing, just between Harper and MacKay the traitor who should have been tarred and feathered for it, with no election or anything but backroom deals?
- Canadians don't want an election next month.
- Canadians want the Gomery report before they judge, just as they should. This isn't the Judge Judy show. We have a Judicial branch, commissions, committees, inquiries for reasons: we pay taxes to get other people with the time and expertise that we don't have, to do the jobs for us. So let them do it and stop playing judge: which is directed at the "conservatives" who are playing judge and slandering people, just because they have parliamentary privilege in the House of Commons. They'd never say what they're saying outside the House: They'd be sued into oblivion. How honorable of them to be abusing their parliamentary privileges to slander people who have been charged with nothing, for political marketing advantage.
- Canadians want their elected represenatives and government to do their jobs and are fed up with Harper's games and all the games going on. Minority governments should represent a rare opportunity for Canadians to actually be heard instead of having the usual elected dictatorships. Instead, every party is just jockeying for position and representing their interests, not the interests of Canadians and Harper is the main culprit and has been for over a year. Even the Bloc has been more cooperative.
- Canadians want this budget to pass.
So why is Harper yelling at representatives (it's what the party Whips are around for, not that it's any better) and even NL's premier, who is Conservative, not that it matters or should matter, as though he has no business representing the interests of his province and his employers/electorates?
And that represenatives elected by the people of two districts in NL have no say over representing the interests of their employers/electorates, as though they belong to Harper.
But you claim that "Mr. Martin" is playing party politics and no other party is? Martin is doing exactly what he should be doing with a minority government. And it'll be a majority government if The Reverend Harper gets his way and spits in faces of the majority of Canadians, for what?
Do explain why the "conservative" reform-alliance party is teaming up wih the Bloc Quebecois to do nothing that the majority of Canadians want.
davyth said:
Accepting a turncoat like MacKay, to say the very least, destroying one of the oldest political parties in Canada does no credit to MacKay or Harper (Day, Manning; the most mixed up party, now parties, trying to pretend that they're "one" when they clearly are not and it's no news).
What Harper harped to Stronach TOLD her to leave the party. She did. Now they're exposing themselves as what they really are, again, as usual. It's too bad she hadn't been a "colored" female lesbian to really watch them in their true form.
davyth said:
"Feelings" are not facts. It's blowing in the wind because you have no facts and are full of double-standards that make no sense at all.
But of course there are others who "feel" the marketing they're supposed to be feeling, because they don't bother with facts and are parfect targets for manipulative propaganda marketing.
