RE: Belinda Stronach appo
It's an attempt to get around the system and Canadians recognize it as such.
It's an attempt to get around the system and Canadians recognize it as such.
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Re: RE: Belinda Stronach appo
Only Canadians who want to stifle democracy and the rights of elected members of parliament. And those Canadians have no place here anyway if thats what they want to do.
Reverend Blair said:
Only Canadians who want to stifle democracy and the rights of elected members of parliament. And those Canadians have no place here anyway if thats what they want to do.
RE: Belinda Stronach appo
You are showing an ignorance of the realities of the parliamentary system. Besides, if the Liberals employed the same tactic...say, to pass a bill to have Ralph Klein publicly castrated...you'd be screaming bloody murder.
Private members bills have a purpose. That purpose is not to allow Harper and his followers to carry out their hidden agendas.
You are showing an ignorance of the realities of the parliamentary system. Besides, if the Liberals employed the same tactic...say, to pass a bill to have Ralph Klein publicly castrated...you'd be screaming bloody murder.
Private members bills have a purpose. That purpose is not to allow Harper and his followers to carry out their hidden agendas.
Re: RE: Belinda Stronach appo
Now who is being ignorant of facts. In your analogy, the bill would never make it to the floor. If you want to deny MPs private members bills, then I suggest you get it done through the process, involving the constitution. Until then, it is very legal, very democratic, and very valuable. That is one of the realities of parliament you apparently have a problem with, legality and democracy.
Reverend Blair said:
Now who is being ignorant of facts. In your analogy, the bill would never make it to the floor. If you want to deny MPs private members bills, then I suggest you get it done through the process, involving the constitution. Until then, it is very legal, very democratic, and very valuable. That is one of the realities of parliament you apparently have a problem with, legality and democracy.
RE: Belinda Stronach appo
You can't run on a platform and expect people to support it when you know full well that your leader has created a situation where that platform can and will be reversed, Blue.
Your party is anti-choice, but they know that's unpopular so they have tried to hide their true agenda. You've been caught at it now, don't try to hide behind democratic principles when what you are seeking to do is undermine those principles.
You can't run on a platform and expect people to support it when you know full well that your leader has created a situation where that platform can and will be reversed, Blue.
Your party is anti-choice, but they know that's unpopular so they have tried to hide their true agenda. You've been caught at it now, don't try to hide behind democratic principles when what you are seeking to do is undermine those principles.
Re: RE: Belinda Stronach appo
Anti Choice? Your choice of parties, and I include the Libs because you are one of their biggest defenders, gives their members no choice at all in how they vote.
You don't get it, do you. MP's are elected to represent their constituents, and if that means introducing a private members bill to support the constituents, that is their legal and constitutionally guaranteed right. I hope to God those rights don't ever erode, because then we will for sure be in an official dictatorship.
And you have the balls to call Harper scarey? You want to take away fundamental rights that all MPs have, he wants to ensure they can and do use the rights they are guaranteed.
What exactly is the hidden agenda of the NDP if they support taking away the rights of MP's to bring private members bills to the House?
Reverend Blair said:
Anti Choice? Your choice of parties, and I include the Libs because you are one of their biggest defenders, gives their members no choice at all in how they vote.
You don't get it, do you. MP's are elected to represent their constituents, and if that means introducing a private members bill to support the constituents, that is their legal and constitutionally guaranteed right. I hope to God those rights don't ever erode, because then we will for sure be in an official dictatorship.
And you have the balls to call Harper scarey? You want to take away fundamental rights that all MPs have, he wants to ensure they can and do use the rights they are guaranteed.
What exactly is the hidden agenda of the NDP if they support taking away the rights of MP's to bring private members bills to the House?
RE: Belinda Stronach appo
The NDP support private members bills, they just don't support using them as a way to implement an agenda so scarey that the majority of Canadians don't agree with it.
The Harperites are trying to hide their anti-choice agenda. They know that Canadians don't want them controlling the reproductive rights of women. So they are trying to lie. They've been caught though...again.
The NDP support private members bills, they just don't support using them as a way to implement an agenda so scarey that the majority of Canadians don't agree with it.
The Harperites are trying to hide their anti-choice agenda. They know that Canadians don't want them controlling the reproductive rights of women. So they are trying to lie. They've been caught though...again.
Re: RE: Belinda Stronach appo
Spin spin spin, lie lie lie. No where, and I repeat again no where, is there any policy of the CPC that even remotely suggests what you put out there as fact. Find me proof. You won't be able to, but find it if you are so sure. There is no such policy about reproductive rights of women. To continue to spin that out there is fearmongering and deliberate falsehoods trying to reach the illinformed and uneducated on the left.
Reverend Blair said:
Spin spin spin, lie lie lie. No where, and I repeat again no where, is there any policy of the CPC that even remotely suggests what you put out there as fact. Find me proof. You won't be able to, but find it if you are so sure. There is no such policy about reproductive rights of women. To continue to spin that out there is fearmongering and deliberate falsehoods trying to reach the illinformed and uneducated on the left.
RE: Belinda Stronach appo
The CPC, at their convention, passed a carefully worded motion saying that they would not, as a party, seek to change the the status quo on abortion. Not that they supported it, but that they wouldn't seek to change it.
There were immediately cries from within the CPC that even that motion shouldn't have passed...that too many members from the west were missing because they bought tickets on a discount airline that went belly up.
At the same time, Stephen Harper made it clear, once again, that he would allow a free vote on a private member's bill outlawing abortion if one was put forth.
The implication is clear, Blue. Your party is trying to appear more moderate with its policies but also making sure they keep a back door open to sneak their hidden agenda in through.
It's that kind of thing that keeps them from winning elections.
The CPC, at their convention, passed a carefully worded motion saying that they would not, as a party, seek to change the the status quo on abortion. Not that they supported it, but that they wouldn't seek to change it.
There were immediately cries from within the CPC that even that motion shouldn't have passed...that too many members from the west were missing because they bought tickets on a discount airline that went belly up.
At the same time, Stephen Harper made it clear, once again, that he would allow a free vote on a private member's bill outlawing abortion if one was put forth.
The implication is clear, Blue. Your party is trying to appear more moderate with its policies but also making sure they keep a back door open to sneak their hidden agenda in through.
It's that kind of thing that keeps them from winning elections.
Re: RE: Belinda Stronach appo
Take your spin out of your post, and the CPC supports the status quo regarding abortion, which is the currrent law. I suspect that the Libs and ND'rs do too, which, without spin,means they all support the same thing.
Democracy is not sneaky, hidden, or back door. Pray tell, how is a private members bill in full view of the house of commons cameras hidden and sneaky? Spin it all you want, your stance is totally undemocratic. The CPC is democratic, which is offensive to those who like the lemming to the sea approach espoused by the LIbs and NDP.
Reverend Blair said:
Take your spin out of your post, and the CPC supports the status quo regarding abortion, which is the currrent law. I suspect that the Libs and ND'rs do too, which, without spin,means they all support the same thing.
Democracy is not sneaky, hidden, or back door. Pray tell, how is a private members bill in full view of the house of commons cameras hidden and sneaky? Spin it all you want, your stance is totally undemocratic. The CPC is democratic, which is offensive to those who like the lemming to the sea approach espoused by the LIbs and NDP.
Then why didn't their motion say that they supported the status quo? Why did they instead choose wording that said it wouldn't seek to change the status quo? Wording of motions is always very carefully chosen, Blue.
So let's think about that for a second. If the CPC supports the status quo, then they have to whip a vote in the H of C to do just that. By saying instead that the party will not seek to change the status quo, they leave the back door open.
The Liberals and the NDP (and the BQ, the Greens, the Canadian Progressive Party, and the Cosmopolitan Party) support a woman's right to choose. No weasel words.
I've already explained that. Do they not teach reading comprhension in Alberta?
Is it democratic to purposely obfuscate your true intentions by coming up with a party platform that is a lie? Most people in this country vote on party platforms or for who they feel will be the best leader, not for individual MPs.
Reverend Blair said:
If there was a lie, you would be correct. There is no lie. You are incorrect. Case closed.
Yes, anyone with common sense does understand exactly what they said...that they'd try to sneak their secret agenda in the back door. I understand words just fine, Blueboy. I understand when they are being used to lie to me to. Just like your party is trying to lie about the abortion thing.
I didn't make anything up. The CPC supports anti-choice legislation. They just aren't honest enough to say so, so they try get around the system. Then they lie some more and say that by seeking to evade our democratic system they are actually being democratic.
I answered the question a few posts back, Blue. Just because you didn't like the answer doesn't mean that I never answered it.
No, I'm not incorrect. This has been explained to you several times. Here, I'll quote myself:
I said:
Rev, repeating the same lie twice still doesn't make it true, but if you have to have your reinforcement, go ahead. You are still wrong, though.
RE: Belinda Stronach appo
Nah-uh...I'm dead on the money.
I picked it up watching the convention live, and so did every political junkie in the country.
Nah-uh...I'm dead on the money.
I picked it up watching the convention live, and so did every political junkie in the country.
Hoping for the longest post ever to put this thread out of its misery. 
I have not edited it.
The "balls" to submit to foriegn oil companies (2 from Ontario) moving in and taking over. And setting a precedent "conservative" example of collecting equalization welfare handouts from Ontario and B.C. for seven years, and no taxes on oil/natural gas, keeping 100% of the royalties that foriegn oil companies pay to the Alberta government in exchange for LAND RIGHTS -- while sucking up provincial welfare at 100% as though the royalities paid to the "conservative" Alberta government didn't even exist?
And 50 years later, it's still a largely deserted prairie province with an economy based on agriculture. Libya does better, in what is otherwise a desert country with no agriculture.
Klein stuffs money under his mattress in the billions of dollars into the 'rainy day'/heritage fund.
At the start of fiscal 2000-01 a minus $2.5 billion "debt" was reported by Alberta. At the end of fiscal 2000-01 a slight "conservative" budget miscalculation of $7.8 billion in over-taxation on not even 3 million people was produced -- and Klein cut healthcare over it.
Then, without even running a budget deficit he claimed that Alberta had a debt again, while he had over $10 billion stashed away under his mattress -- and Albertans actually believed it and put up with more cuts "to pay off the debt" that didn't exist, becuase he was following Mike Harris (Ontario, proper Conservative), who had a $60 billion budget deficit (starting in 1995), higher than the confederate deficit, along with $130+ billion in debt and slashed and burned everything in Ontario -- but for very good reasons and with a phase II that never happened because the Chretien government, leader of government, you obey or are fired, took an extra $21 billion (always taken; not paid back in equal transfers per capita let alone all of the other bills Ontario pays for this "federation" and always has) out of Ontario's government, revenues, extra money generated by Ontario yanking Canada out of a recession into leading the G7/OECD in economic growth and productivity, and everything below the Ontario government, to ensure that Harris' Common Sense Revolution didn't work. And Chretien fired Martin over it, because he disagreed with just about every word that came out of Chretien's mouth.
And don't compare this country to the U.S. Holland is the closest thing to Canada around -- not Jesusland and "left and right" mean nothing here that means the same in the U.S.; social intolerance/stagnation/regression of civil rights, regression of economic growth and everything else is "right" in the U.S. Fiscal Conservatism with a right proper bastard of a capitalist C (but social tolerance because it's productive -- happy people are productive people and tolerant people exposed to thousands of strangers from all around the world every day in real cities, are productive and innovative people) around 21st century capitalism, not agricultural era supply-side economics, which Harper is into -- and we don't care how much wheat the prairies can manage to export.
All you have to do is look at this:
Windsor-Québec City Corridor, 2001
Ontario Section
10,706,513 93% of Ontario's population
Québec Section
6,327,354 87% of Québec's population
Total Population
17,033,867 57% of Canada's population
Source: Statistics Canada 2001 Census
And note that only 7% of Ontario's population lives outside the Ontario section, only 13% (and shrinking fast other than around tha Aboriginal peoples) of the Quebec section, and this...
GDP PERCENT BY JURISDICTION (based on source below, 2004)
Sorted from highest to lowest
63.17% of the GDP of the Canadas and around supply, also known as the Primary economic sector, it's worth less than 2% of Ontario's GDP. The above is the largest economic trading partner on the planet with the U.S. and vice versa. It's part of the 21st century "North American" (U.S.) "industrial" / technology / R&D heartland but indusry has changed quite a lot around knowledge-based economies since the high tech era and information era and they're still changing and too fast for any 900 year-old dysfunctional insults to the words "systems" and "structure" to keep up with around this region: which Harper knows nothing about and doesn't care about.
The rest...
Source: http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/econ50.htm
Look at big bad Alberta and in another post you claimed that CANADA is flocking to Alberta. If that's so, then how does this work?
Population Growth from Census 1991 Census 2001
Sorted from most to least (rounds to nearest thousand by source, 500+ bumps up to the next thousand, 499 or less doesn't)
Source: Statistics Canada http://geodepot.statcan.ca/Diss/Highlights/Page3/Table1_e.cfm
[Last 100 years of dicentannial census data per jurisdiction]
Strange that Ontario ended up with almost a million more people than Alberta did. Also strange that Ontario only picked up 3 new seats in "the Commons" while Alberta and B.C. both picked up an extra 2 seats (which is why I asked StatsCan for the information in the first place--and accurate/updated numbers do to the "oversights" in Ontario of who knows how many people, at least 2 million, and double-counting elsewhere but nothing is corrected in any of the numbers that the above is based on for anything, going back to the 1986 census.
See, one of these decades, Ontario is going to have over half of the population of the Canadas and it won't be long, maybe 30 years. If the ridiculous confederate "Commons" still exists in another ten years let alone 30 or so, at most, Ontario will be able to form up its own party, vote it in, nothing will ever be able to vote it out, but it would vote itself out after FINALLY getting control of this mess to completely re-structure everything and from the bottom up not the top down, leaving no top; just union services but that has to happen long before Ontario ends up with over half the population -- like today and Harper isn't the one to even try it with some bizarre top-down approach that won't work for anything but what he represents and knows -- the christian evangelical "right", U.S. style).
Create the above in the U.S., two states with over 60% of the total GDP of the U.S., along with the transfer and equalization and RCMP "federal"-provincial/territorial law enforcement everywhere but in Ontario and Quebec and on and on, penalizing economic success to the point of strangulation to reward failure with zero accountability -- right in the constitution -- well, best of luck trying to create a Toronto area in the U.S. -- with the percentate of population and GDP it has, the taxes it pays out, but all in U.S. numbers.
California has the highest GDP [GSP, Gross State Product, more descriptive, exact same thing and go ahead and call provincial GDP's GPP's] in the U.S. and it's around 15% of the GDP of the U.S. and that's a state, not a city-area. Create two more "states" in the Canadas by separating out the Windsor-Quebec City Corridor into South/North Ontario and South/North Quebec then go to it trying to create THIS mess in the U.S., using U.S. total GDP/GNP, total population then the percentages and see how many states you'd have to merge together just to create the Greater Toronto Area/GTA, not even the whole city-region/CMA, starting with California, NY, Texas -- try the Bureaus of Economic Analysis, www.bea.gov I think is the URL -- and then try to claim that the U.S. syatem would work in this mess, with two states paying 70% of all federal revenues on average, tiny states, slivers of land compared to the rest, paying the bulk of the federal debt -- and Ontario doesn't owe one cent of it. So what are you constantly bitching about?
Seriously. What is "big bad Alberta's" big problem? Too much representation? It doesn't even have its own law enforcement. Good old "conservative" Ralph Klein -- organize something to tell him to get FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT other than the FBI/SS ends of the RCMP, OFF ALBERTA'S LAND. They answer to the feds ultimately, not to any mayor or premier. It creeps me out seeing federal police around -- like all over Vancouver. WE, the real Canada, sent the "Mounties" out temporarily 100 years ago. WHY ARE THEY ALL STILL EVERYWHRE BUT IN ONTARIO AND QUEBEC?
And chew on this -- around Quebec, which pays the highest per capita taxes in the 'federation" and actually has a capita/population and economy to speak of and no RCMP "federal-provincial" law enforcement, no lots of things that the western provinces get that don't show up in MAJOR transfers that run from the confederates back to provinces/territories, not the other way around and per capita is how they're all worked out and is all that matters given what they "subsidize" (or are pittances of tax returns for Ontario, Quebec, usually B.C. and sometimes even Alberta):
MAJOR "Federal" Transfers
2004-05 and 2005-06 estimates sorted from the highest, per person, to the lowest for 2005-06[/b
Per capita/person and percentage of total government revenues
* NL Up one position in per capita transfers over NS from 2004-05
**SK up the highest of every jurisdiction in percentage of provincial revenues
Source: http://www.fin.gc.ca/FEDPROV/mtpe.html#Newfoundland (scroll down for all jurisdictions)
The 2004-05 estimates, they're adjusted and paid out quarterly, the 2004-05 numbers may or may not be updated by the Dept. of Finance (confederate) web site. You need the financial statements of Public Accounts from each jurisdiction, which are out for fiscal 2003-04, not last fiscal year, it just ended on March 31, 2005, it takes time to get the statements together, to find out exactly what each jurisdiction got in transfers -- if their own accounting laws, standards & practices, even bother listing what they got from south Ontario taxpayers in equalization or any other handouts "complements of the confederates" but not from them. They're from south Ontario's taxes for the most part. And there are real federal expenses to pay for -- like the Department of Finance Canada, for example, the federal debt, for example, and at least other jurisdictions owe money on that.
A good explanation as to what transfers are, what they cover, up to sub-national governments not the confederates, they're all no strings attached grants for provincial/territorial governments to do what they want with. The Canada Health Transfer (CHT, the largest transfer), the thing that the U.S. doesn't have, which allows for universal catasrophic (at least) healthcare by varying what each province (state, whatever sub-national government) gets per capita to cover its healthcare expenses, based on the sub-national government's ability to generate its own revenues (which is usually ignored; other than around "Ontario" where it's penalized quite severely for being "too successful" and Quebec as well, which opted out of the CHT -- get "conservative" Klein to do that same, find out what the Canada Social Transfer/CST covers and get Klein to opt out of that one too, as Quebec has; then see how well it works, other than being able to get away with things that other provinces can't -- because Quebec pays for 100% of its healthcare, post-secondary schools, provincial welfare plan, and everything else the CST helps sub-national governments to pay for; other than Ontario, with pittances of tax returns, always, like since 1867) and what is Klein's position on Quebec? How about Harper? Ignorance that causes divisivness is their position on everything.
Where's your copy of the reform-alliance "conservative" election platform for the 2004 election? How many pages is it including covers and whatnot? What is this doing in it?
You won't gain enough insight to even comment about equalization or any other "transfer" without reading every link. Don't expect to skim around lazily and have everything dropped in your lap in a soundbyte.
Social progress, skilled human capital, is what real capitalism/"industrialism"/knowledge-based economies thrive on and will kick the ass of medieval religion back into personal lives and god buildings at the best, where it belongs. And if you don't like it then see if Jesusland will let you in and go discriminate down there without even knowing that you're doing it (no one who discriminates knows it). But choose carefully; it's not as religious as the current marketing is making out. But the U.S. has never had real separation of Church from State: A modern democracy as opposed to a semi-theocracy. It's the least secular western industrialized democracy. Look up the noun, secularism if you don't know what it means, try a Google on +secularism +canada remembering where Canada is -- but only to those who make outrageous claims about "the east" -- while pretending to be holding cards due to ancient history; religion.
If you want your share of the federal debt, all federal expenses, want law enforcement pulled unless Alberta pays for it all, then it not only can but will be arranged -- and it still won't get out of Canada. The U.S. would never allow that to happen. It would allow it to go bankrupt so that it could buy out land from the IMF, do whatever the hell it wanted to, keep out ALL imports it doesn't want, build more pipelines out of Alberta, rape, pillge, plunder -- and pay a lot less for supply from it.
But this happens instead.
All of those pipelines run OUT of Alberta to where the markets are, due to innovation in other regions with Alberta getting plundered, mainly by the U.S. (investors, private; corporations that have to make money for investors) -- and it's also keeping out the crap it doesn't want or need, things that kill jobs in the U.S., have done nothing for the prairies but allow them to stagnate on welfare, with no markets to speak of. Even with the sticky bitumen stuck to sand and dirt in Alberta, which others developed the technology for (and human capital -- then they move to Alberta because it can't create enough of its own just to extract the bitumen and turn it into synthetic crude, still expensively, to be transported to other regions) and what "balls" that takes.
It's not even much of a sector in Ontario but...
Ontario’s Chemical Industry
Innovation Catalysts
Ontario is one of the most dynamic and profitable business centres in the world. For chemical companies, this means an excellent return on investment. During the past decade, the average annual profits of industrial chemical companies in Canada have been double those of companies in the U.S.
Every effort has been made to ensure the accuracy of the information in this publication at the time of writing; however, the programs referred to and the data cited are subject to change.
All figures are in US dollars unless otherwise noted. The exchange rates used are based on Bank of Canada [I wonder why ... why not a U.S. Federal Reserve Bank or the Bank of Japan?] annual averages.
2002: Cdn$1.00 = US$0.64
2003: Cdn$1.00 = US$0.71
2004: Cdn$1.00 = US$0.79
Ontario’s sophisticated chemical industry
Ontario is a very profitable place for chemical companies.
That’s why Ontario is Canada’s largest chemical producer, leading petroleum-refining region and the hub of the nation’s plastics industry.
Operating costs for chemical companies are lower in Ontario than in leading U.S. production regions.
Excellent transportation links provide easy access to North America’s $12.3 trillion marketplace.
Ontario’s knowledge infrastructure is among the best in the world. Our research and development (R&D) incentives are very generous.
Global leaders and niche market innovators thrive in Ontario
Of the 10 largest chemical companies in the world, eight have operations in Ontario. It’s our third-largest manufacturing industry in terms of shipments. In 2004, our chemical industry had:
Ontario’s plastics industry encompasses the full length of the value chain, from resin and materials suppliers to mould makers and processors that feed into a spectrum of end-user markets including automotive, pharmaceuticals, consumer electronics, packaging and construction. In 2004, the industry had:
Today, Ontario’s chemical workers are pushing the boundaries of new product development in areas ranging from specialized polymers to advanced ceramics and alternative fuels.
Three clusters make industry collaborations cost-effective
Our chemical companies are concentrated mostly in three regions—Sarnia, the Greater Toronto Area and Ontario East. Within these clusters, some companies have developed mutually beneficial alliances.
They exchange co-products and by-products and share support services such as utilities, co-generation, storage, emergency services and waste disposal.
Colleges in the clusters provide industry-specific training courses to help chemical companies maintain the skilled workforce they need. [And to train human capital to send to Alberta because it doesn't bother. It's how Harper ended up there from west Toronto, but with a high school diploma, "working in the oil industry" doing what, no one says.]
Sarnia
Sarnia is Canada’s largest cluster of chemical, allied manufacturing and R&D facilities. It includes companies such as Basell Canada Inc., Dow Chemical Canada Inc., INVISTA, Imperial Oil Limited [Esso brand name around petrol products; a subsidiary of ExxonMobil that also operates in Alberta under the same name and all over the Canadas], LANXESS (formerly Bayer Inc.), NOVA Chemicals Corporation, Praxair Canada Inc., Shell Canada Products [ExxonMobil], Air Products Canada Ltd., Terra International (Canada) Inc. and SCU Nitrogen Inc.
Greater Toronto Area :shock:
Chemical companies in the Greater Toronto Area (GTA) produce lubricants, paints, medical gases for home and hospital use, laundry detergent, adhesives and more. As Canada’s business centre and financial capital, Toronto is also a prime location for corporate headquarters. Bayer, BASF, DuPont Canada, Unilever and many other industry leaders have their Canadian head offices in the GTA.
Ontario East
Chemicals from Ontario East—from Belleville to Brockville—go into fleece jackets, seatbelts, airbags and many other high-tech fabrics and products. Industry leaders in the cluster include 3M, Air Products Canada Ltd., BASF, DuPont Canada (R&D), INVISTA, Lilly Industries, Nitrochem and Procter & Gamble.
Source: Statistics Canada, 2002
Look who’s investing in Ontario!
Ontario stands near the centre of the North American industrial and consumer marketplace. Our pipelines and transportation infrastructure can move [after plundering the raw product -- crude oil; but creating jobs elsewhere as we do all over the world around supply we add value to then sell for a lot more than was paid for any of it; adding lots more jobs to the economy too] chemical and plastics products from the plant to the customer quickly and efficiently. [Namely truck fleets into the main markets of the Canadas, Windsor-Quebec City Corridor and a day's trucking to over half the consumer market of the U.S.]
Access to North American and global markets
Ontario is an integral part of North America’s $12.3 trillion market. Within a day’s drive of Sarnia, the Greater Toronto Area and Ontario East you will find:
The North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) ensures that products containing at least 62.5% Canadian content have duty-free access to the U.S. and Mexican markets. The joint U.S.–Canada Free and Secure Trade (FAST) program [due to 9/11] can make processing at the border almost instantaneous.
Export-oriented domestic markets
As Canada’s manufacturing heartland and a world leader in natural resource processing [worth less than 2% of Ontario's GDP -- processing for use, to add value, not processing for export], we have strong, export-oriented domestic markets for chemicals—autos and auto parts, construction materials, biotech, electronics, pulp and paper, mining and more.
Automotive
Ontario’s auto industry (assembly and parts) produced 2.7 million vehicles in 2004. That’s more than any state in the U.S. including Michigan. [And ALL manufacturing combined is only worth 21.07% of Ontario's GDP.] Some 400+ companies, including seven [not just the "big three", which sends Michigan into a recession given that its economy is mostly based on auto manufacturing and even that isn't diversified] of the world’s largest vehicle manufacturers, employ 135,000 highly skilled workers. Ontario companies are leaders in “in-sequence” manufacturing, injection and blow moulding, hydroforming, ferrous and non-ferrous casting, powder metal coating and fabrication.
Information and communications technologies
Ontario is a global centre for the design and manufacture of voice, data and video telecommunications, as well as, the development of digital microwave transmission, satellite communications services and data distribution networks. More than 6,000 companies generate $38 billion+ in annual sales.
Life Sciences
Ontario has the largest regional concentration of biotech firms in North America. Nearly all the global pharmaceutical and biotech giants have facilities here including Apotex, AstraZeneca, sanofi pasteur, Bayer, Baxter Corporation, Boehringer Ingelheim, Eli Lilly, Genzyme, GlaxoSmithKline, Roche, Johnson & Johnson Medical Products, MDS, Patheon and Pfizer. World-leading Ontario biofuels R&D companies such as Iogen, BIOX, Rothsay, Dynamotive and Ensyn are introducing industrial bioproducts that will increase the sustainable use of renewable resources. [And sharing it with what little Alberta does around non-renewable fossil fuel, which all of this is directly related to -- petrochemicals are where all the money is, plastic is made of fossil fuels, including the plastic in caplets, holding chemicals in them, often made from fossil fuels.]
Mining and forestry
Ontario is among the world’s top 10 producers of nickel, gold, cobalt and platinum group metals, with mineral production in 2003 valued at almost $3.9 billion. Exports of our forestry products—mainly newsprint [it can't be more finished other than by doing the printing and we'll do that too], market pulp, lumber and composite panels—topped $6 billion in 2003.
Consumer products
Consumer products from Ontario’s chemical companies and their industrial customers supply Canadian, U.S. and international markets. Ontario’s population alone—at 12+ million, is more than a third of the Canadian total—requires vast amounts of fuel, soaps, detergents, paints, packaging materials and textiles. [And "big bad Alberta" doesn't even have the markets of Montreal; or the economy. And private investors decide where and in what they will invest -- not "the feds". People chooose to live where they do, immigrants choose to immigrate to where they do, migrants choose to migrate to where they do; and Alberta only because it's short of human capital so it's SENT THERE.]
Infrastructure to support long-term growth
The Economist Intelligence Unit ranks Canada’s transportation infrastructure ahead of all G7 countries. [Pull out the Windsor-Quebec City Corridor and see where "Canada" ranks around anything.]
An extensive pipeline grid brings natural gas, petrochemical liquids, chemical intermediates and crude oil from western Canada, the U.S., the Maritimes and offshore sources to Ontario for processing and upgrading. [And upgrading in wages/salaries as a result, upgrading in jobs, "people with money to spend", markets to sell to without exporting, an upgraded GDP and of course, upgraded tax plundering to pay for the rest of the Canadas.]
Our highway network—part of the grid of interprovincial and interstate highways, expressways and turnpikes—links Ontario companies to U.S. and Mexican customers and suppliers.
Our rail lines connect with the U.S. at five commercial crossings. A double-track tunnel under the St. Clair River, capable of handling double-stacked container cars, links Sarnia to Michigan.
The Great Lakes–St. Lawrence Seaway system offers marine access to markets in the U.S. and around the world.
We have three international [the City of Toronto needs three alone but can't have them due to tax plundering to pay for everything else] and 61 regional airports. The largest is Toronto’s Pearson International [and second-most expensive airport in the world to use -- due to tax plundering], where 65+ airlines provide same-plane service to 43 cities in the U.S. and 42 cities abroad.
The data-intensive chemical industry needs top-of-the-line, secure telecommunications. Ontario’s network is among the best in the world: local and long-distance lines are 100% digitally switched; long-distance trunk lines are 100% fibre optic. The service is unsurpassed in terms of reliability and “self-healing” network recovery.
Knowledge networks—the new infrastructure
Ontario’s chemical industry leaders recognize our knowledge infrastructure as a major competitive advantage. Leading researchers from around the world have been drawn to our specialized university research labs.
These include:
“DuPont Canada has been an industry presence in Canada for over 125 years. The many advantages of Ontario and Canada—proximity to major markets, highly skilled people, competitive costs and a vibrant research community—are key to our longevity and continuing success.
These attributes enable companies like ours to effectively serve Canadian customers, and also provide industry leadership from a Canadian base that creates value on a global level.”
Doug Muzyka
President and CEO
DuPont Canada
Skilled, knowledgeable workforce, from the plant floor to the executive suite
The availability and quality of Ontario’s large pool of knowledge workers provides a major competitive advantage for our chemical companies.
Ontario’s workforce A snapshot
Almost three out of 10 employees in our chemical industry have a university degree. Overall, 56% of all Ontarians aged 25–64 have completed their post-secondary education. That’s a higher percentage than in any other industrialized country, according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).
Our chemical workers are loyal. The average length of employment for chemical workers is 11 years in the Greater Toronto Area, more than 19 years in Sarnia and more than 20 years in Ontario East.
Our workforce is ethnically diverse. We speak more than 100 languages. Multilingual staff can make global sourcing, service and sales flow more smoothly.
Top-ranked universities for researchers and professionals
Ontario’s 20 universities generate more than 29,000 graduates a year in math, engineering and sciences, providing a constant supply of new talent for growing chemical companies. [Including Alberta's; it's not even a big industry in Ontario terms, but it needs what it needs, from stem to stern, and Toronto has the necessary pull, business pull and clout, finance, insurance, real estate is the largest cluster/sector in Toronto and by cooincidence, Ontario too.]
Seventeen of Canada’s top 50 research universities are located in Ontario. Our universities are widely recognized for excellence, particularly in programs related to the chemical industry. [And on other pages, "particularly" for every industry.]
The influential Gourman Report rates two Ontario universities (McMaster and Toronto) among North America’s top 10 for chemical engineering.
BusinessWeek ranks the MBA program at Queen’s University as the best in the world outside the U.S. The Financial Times ranks the business schools at four Ontario universities—Queen’s, York, the University of Toronto and the University of Western Ontario—among the world’s top 40 for MBA programs.
Apotex Pharmachem
“Businesses thrive or fail based on the quality, commitment, skills and knowledge of their people. Our business has excellent R&D and operations staff drawn from Ontario universities and colleges. These connections have led to research collaborations with a number of universities in the province and the development with Mohawk College of an on-site training program for our operators. Ontario’s ethnic diversity also means we can have people on staff who are familiar with the cultures and customs of countries around the globe where we do business, and that is a major benefit.”
Martin Ehlert
VP Manufacturing
Apotex Pharmachem
College–industry collaboration keeps chemicals skills training on the leading edge
Ontario’s 24 colleges of applied arts and technology are designed to meet the needs of both students and industry.
Colleges in the Sarnia, Toronto and Ontario East chemical clusters offer two- and three-year technology programs such as Chemical Laboratory Technology, Chemical Production Engineering Technology, Environmental Science Technician and Materials Engineering Technology. For example, students at Sarnia’s Lambton College Centre of Excellence for Process Manufacturing work in labs using state-of-the-art equipment to learn the specialized skills that are needed by the processing industry.
Many Ontario colleges also offer specialized training developed collaboratively with industry associations or individual companies.
Public investments in higher education and skills training
The Ontario government recognizes that knowledge-intensive industries like the chemical sector depend on the imagination and skill of their workers to produce the high-value, innovative products that underlie economic growth. [Unlike, oh, shipping cattle on the hoof to American meat processing/packing plants then RE-IMPORTING like 'conservative" Alberta does, which is called selling low, buying high and is a good way to go bankrupt, along with having the largest cattle "industry" in the Canadas and no markets to speak of. And BSE is not a naturally-occurring disease and I couldn't figure out what the big stink was over COWS in Alberta after IT created a 'mad cow' and the U.S., along with 40 other countries, banned all Canadian beef. "What's next, the price of chicken?" Yep.]
That’s why the province has launched the largest capital investment in colleges and universities since the 1960s. Ontario and its partners are spending Cdn $2.6 billion to create more than 135,000 new student spaces at colleges and universities throughout the province. [FINALLY, and when we get the rest of $50+ billion back in taxes owed to us per year, with interest due to inflation, we'll be able to do much better than that. Harper & Company weren't interested in any of it in the 2004 election campaign, no new deal for cities, which is FOR post-secondary education and our OWN MONEY ANYWAY, but sharing makes sense -- as long as we don't go under in the process and it's been close and still is -- while [too many] Albertans and others bitch away about nothing.]
A total of 74 new post-secondary capital projects, many in the rapidly growing fields of science and high technology, are being built on campuses across Ontario.
On-the-job training for skilled trades people is also critically important to industry. The new Apprenticeship Training Tax Credit gives companies a 25% refundable tax credit on salaries and wages for new apprentices. By 2007–08, about 26,000 young people will be entering apprentice positions each year. [And plenty will have to be shipped to Alberta -- if operations expand there, which is completely up to private investors, mostly in the U.S. -- not "the feds".]
Business environment for high-value production
Ontario [south] is one of the most dynamic and profitable business centres in the world. For chemical companies, this means an excellent return on investment.
Profits and productivity are higher
During the past decade, the average annual profits of industrial chemical companies in Canada have been double those of companies in the U.S.
The Conference Board of Canada’s Performance and Potential 2004–05 report shows that productivity in Canadian chemical manufacturing continues to exceed that of its U.S. competitors, largely due to the "Canadian" [:?: Lethbridge] industry’s greater focus on innovation. The recent "Canadian" productivity growth rate for basic chemicals is more than 5% a year, almost four times that of its U.S. counterparts. [And Ontario's is 7%, higher than any G7 or OECD country.]
Build your business in Canada’s business centre
Ontario’s economy, with a GDP of $408.5 billion (U.S.; 42% of the Canadian total), is larger than that of Belgium, Sweden, Switzerland or Austria. Toronto is Canada’s financial centre, home of the country’s largest banks, stock market and venture capital firms.
Business confidence in Ontario (south) is high. [And so is confidence around what real Conservatives are -- and the NDP are above the reform-alliance here now -- because Harper is totally clueless and blew an unbelievable marketing opportunity -- via Belinda Stronach over dealing, even pretending to, with the $23 billion "fiscal imbalance" between Ontario and the rest of the provinces just around transfer payments, just last fiscal year. Martin & Company told Ontario's premier to go f*** himself, and wouldn't even agree to meet him for a pittance of it back. So Belinda Stronach agreed to take it up with HER PARTY, "Conservatives to the rescue?" in the Toronto Star. And look at the mess Harper made of that one.] Corporate profits are growing, inflation remains low and our dollar has a favourable exchange rate in relation to the US dollar.
As an export-oriented manufacturing economy, we recognize the importance of being internationally competitive and maintaining our strong business climate. [But can't afford to due it due to tax plundering that STRANGLES us. Fair is fair, same transfers per capita, less for Ontario for no apparent reason is what it's asking for, just reduce the fiscal disparity in transfers alone back to $2 billion where they were a decade ago when Mike Harris, a right proper bastard of a Conservative, took over Ontario after a total disaster of the one and only time this province will elect the NDP, and with a majority dictatorship no less; they ran up a $60 billion budget deficit, higher than the federal deficit Mulroney & Company ran up and in less time -- one term from 1990-1995. Slash and burn everything in sight, there is no "equalization" for Ontario, it pays for it all and got no break from paying over half the expenses on a federal debt it doesn't owe a cent of, no other jurisdiction's government stopped yelling and screaming and more and more money, as though "the feds" have geese that lay golden eggs under magical money trees, Ontario got $21 billion less of its own taxes back just around tax returns owed to it, "transfers" to other jurisdictions, and the same per capita, we have to give out flu shots, people get sick here, have accidents, the usual. But with more people to cover, WHILE PAYING OUT MORE IN TAXES, more tax returns, PER CAPITA as they're all worked out, are needed as the population grows -- but the population goes up and tax returns go DOWN, per capita [going UP in every other jurisdiction], as per the rules of each transfer payment, with all kinds of side-deals and Harper doesn't even know what's going on. He could have taken Ontario, south, all of it, and obliterated Martin & Company just by bitching to them about the $23 billion Ontario is owed in transfer payments alone, in pittances of its OWN TAXES BACK, last fiscal year alone. Bitch for $4 billion of it back, $400 and change per capita, it'd do nothing but would SHOW ONTARIO, would have, as opposed to telling Stronach to take a hike, that he had a clue around political MARKETING if nothing else. It's hilarious how oblivious he is. And he even blew that to the point where the only MP in the GTA in "that party" did nothing, she only won by 600 and change in votes out of 12,000 and change from the "liberal" MP in the new district of Newmarket-Aurora, it was nothing for her to cross the floor and they will re-elect her because she did what they wanted her to do -- even though she had to leave "that party", which is GONE in Ontario now, below the NDP in opinion polls, due to Harper's obvliviousness -- and it shows around supporters. Alberta has WHAT even around "oil"? Try again and start with Quebec, which is next in line, then B.C., not Alberta.]
Ontario’s combined (provincial and federal) general corporate income tax rate is 4 percentage points below the U.S. average. [And taxes are too high in the Canadas? Why is that, becauee "conservative" Klein & Company run to "the feds" demanding handouts over every runny nose and every self-created problem, with over $10 billion stuffed into 'rainy day' funds? He's a greedy socialist. Actions speak much louder than words do.]
The regulatory environment is streamlined. Site permits are processed more quickly than in the U.S.
Provincial capital taxes are being eliminated.
Ontario has eliminated all fuel taxes on ethanol and biodiesel products. [What's biodiesel, Blue? Do you even know without looking it up? I'm not in the oil industry, Ontario is not in the oil industry other than by happenstance and it's certainly not some big sector in this province -- but nothing that Ontario leads the world in is "the biggest" sector in Ontario other than where it's having a lot of problems due to federal regulations and policies that have been around forever -- the financial industry.]
The Ontario New Technology Tax Incentive provides a 100% deduction for the eligible costs of acquiring intellectual property.
Ontario offers a range of tax incentives that can increase the potential savings under the federal government’s generous R&D incentives program. [And if Alberta is so keen on making money from renewable energy sources then why isn't it using the Kyoto crap to its advantage to MARKET the need for innovation around that field to sell it to the world as Ontario is? Harper is for or against Kyoto? The Accord itself isn't the point. The incentives it provides to THINK and be rewarded for innovation is all that matters. You get what you reward, and most innovative people are motivated by a desire to change the world, and that success in innovation lies in rewarding risk taking.]
Intellectual property rights are respected, our legal environment is much less litigious than in the U.S. and there are caps on awards for damages.
Ontario–U.S. cross-border project management and collaborations are made easier by shared time zones and similar business cultures. [Not the prairies.]
Competitively low operating costs = higher profits
KPMG’s comprehensive Competitive Alternatives 2004 confirmed that Canada’s business costs for specialty chemical manufacturing are the lowest among the 11 countries studied in the report. Costs in Canada are 6.1% below the U.S. average.
This has a huge impact on the bottom line. According to KPMG, a “typical” specialty chemical operation is three times as profitable in Canada than in the United States.
Average labour costs for chemical workers are 25% lower in Ontario than the U.S. average.
Manufacturers in Ontario pay about half as much as their U.S. counterparts for employee health care costs.
Telecommunications costs in Canada are also low. In 2004, the Conference Board of Canada compared telecom costs in 10 leading OECD countries.
Their key findings?
[And the longest uninterrupted mobile phone service in the world runs from Windsor Ontario to Halifax Nova Scotia. Some say that the 'trans-Canada' highway is impassable in parts of Saskatchwan but with it's a provincial responsibility to maintain highways, Chretien did try to pass a National Highway Act of some sort but it was handily defeated. We have 400-series highways (and pay for all of them) in south Ontario for many good reasons and most have to do with JIT and truck fleets. You do know what JIT is? There's no need for what Alberta does to know about it, let alone Saskatchwan, which is why its highway infrastructure doesn't matter. That kind of supply can sit around in heaps/silos (in Thunder Bay] and rail is just fine for it. Seafaring freighters are just fine for raw/semi-processed commodities. But Harper would probably waste our money on what we have to pay for, more square km of highways than the rest of the "federation" combined has, mostly goat paths and if they're falling apart it's for a reason: rail is probably just fine, and less expensive, to transport whatever commodities to even pre-processing, then processing then manufacturing (high value, when JIT kicks on and warehouses are the backs of tractor-trailers) then retail and there's somewhat of a rush for that around high value goods but once the manufacturing is done, final assembly, vehicles, whatever go back onto freight trains.]
[A bunch of tables/comparisons...interesting]
Commercial Alcohols
“We’re part of a new breed of bio-science that applies technology to make products from renewable resources, products that were traditionally created from fossil fuels or petrochemicals. For us, Ontario’s world-class R&D capabilities and technologies are a real competitive strength. Secondly, Ontario’s economic structure is a microcosm of the U.S. with the same market drivers but, on a smaller scale. As a result, we have access to decision-makers and our ability to bring new products to market here is light years quicker.”
Robert Gallant
President and CEO
Commercial Alcohols Inc.
A great place to work and live [And if that isn't enough to convince you to invest and move your operations here, investmant advisor/location expert...which is what this mammoth site is targeted at]
No matter where you come from, you’ll find a community in Ontario where you’ll feel comfortable. One in four of us was born outside Canada. One in five of us is a member of a visible minority. [One in 2 in the City of Toronto.] We are the home to people from 170 different ethnic backgrounds [247 in the City of Toronto] who speak more than 100 languages.
No matter where you go in Ontario, you will find:
Education in Ontario—high quality and affordable [BRING THE KIDS TOO!]
Canadian teens have scored some of the highest marks in mathematics, science and reading among OECD countries.
Tuition costs for arts and science undergraduates at Ontario universities are 40% lower than those at the state universities in the Great Lakes region.
And when it’s time to relax?
It’s all at your doorstep. Whatever your after-hours pursuit, you’ll find it in Ontario.
And more ... :twisted:
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Just one page and not even the whole thing from one section of www.2ontario.com -- marketing the hell out of Ontario. Where's Alberta's counterpart? Look at www.2ontario.com before answering; I can't find a counterpart in the Canadas.
And you don't even have your own law enforcement. Big bad Alberta. Have you read an economic report lately about the turf, roughage ... whatever Alberta is selling to big bad ORGEGON? Why don't you check Oregon out at U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis to see where it doesn't fit in? What about seedoils to China? How are those mad cows coming along? Price of chicken?
Alberta is owned by ExxonMobil's balls. And if you think that the agricultural lobby in the U.S. (which is what the import bans and tariffs on everything BUT the Windsor-Quebec City Corridor are about -- and lobbies to the U.S. Congress -- please explain it all to me, it has nothing to do with Iraq; it has everything to do with the Outer Canadas skipping the industrial era, other than around the Trans-Canada rail line, and not to use to ship raw/semi-processed commodities around with but it made its own choices, the high tech era, waking up halfway through the information era when "cyberspace" showed up and figuring out which century it was and trying to skip in on it and wondering what the problem was/is) is bad -- try the U.S. transnational energy industry on for size.
To the last sentence, so what? Welcome to Canada (almost the world) and it's about time. It's what the City of Toronto pays out in taxes never to be seen again, every year; and with over a billion a year more leaving the City of Toronto every year; another $1.1 billion next year while the Ontario and confederate feds cash in an extra $1.3 billion from revenues plundered from the City of Toronto. And transfer payments run from the the Department of Finance Canada to provincial/territorial governments, not the other way around.
What you stated above is that the Alberta government is blowing between $9-$12 billion it receives back from the feds in transfers every year. And where did you get that information? I saw $8 billion in the Calgary Sun -- with no proof, no report cited, nothing. Toronto City Hall had its books open to all stakeholders and the Toronto Board of Trade organized everything to produce a report documenting $9 billion in revenues being plundered from the City of Toronto, in the only taxes (revenues, called a "tax" or driver's license or license plate or anything else -- government revenues) that matter -- never to be seen again.
And the Toronto Board of Trade documented it all to the Ontario and confederate feds and Toronto City Hall and the Toronto Board of Trade launched the "Enough of Not Enough" (of our own revenues back) campaign.
Over 400,000 individual letters from Torontonians were organized and mailed to every MPP from Toronto, the premier and finance minister of Ontario, every MP from Toronto, the MP responsible for communicating the City of Toronto's needs to Martin, the MP responsible for communicating Ontario's needs to Martin, the federal finance minister and PM -- well before the 2003-04 budget, with plenty of time to allocate more of the City of Toronto's own money back to it -- and we ended up with a tax increase and cuts to healthcare from the Ontario feds and our own revenues to everywhere BUT the City of Toronto or Ontario from the confederate feds.
But it did light fires under their arses for the "New Deal for CITIES" at the Ontario and confederate level -- which Harper opposed and it's why the GTA didn't vote for him. But now he's thrice-upped himself around that one. A trickle of our own money is finally going to be coming back, after over a decade of nothing but cuts, cuts and tax increases (provincial; the above is horse crap; add surtaxes and Ontario is right up there with Newfoundland and Labrador, Quebec and even "socialist Saskatchewan" in taxes, as the Canadian Taxpayers Federation put it and documented, along with "even Alberta's flat tax" is better but there would be no surtaxes if we could get our fair share of our own taxes back or even half of our fair share, just around "transfers" (tax returns, always, to Ontario and pittances of them -- nothing in this "federation" has ever paid one cent into Ontario. Ontario is the one and only jurisdction that has always paid more into this "federation" than it's taken out of it, as in it's OWED and it doesn't owe a cent of anything federal and nothing has any say around anything in Ontario -- because we paid for it all and quite a lot more than that, all over the Canadas, including Alberta for 50 years while it was a welfare province: "equalization" transfers were only made official in 1957. Money re-distribution has existed forever, including sending those "Mounties" out temporarily).
So Alberta finally gets off its arse, by virtue of doing absolutely nothing but its governments agreeing to take royalties/money from foreign oil companies in return for land rights for the oil companies -- is FINALLY paying into this "federation" and thinks it has something to bitch about? It's fine but it's out-bitching Quebec and acting far more socialist, so don't blame "us", the people who actually run things in the Windsor-Quebec City Corridor when, like next year, five years ago, ten years ago, it's no longer possible to maintain an economic union with the rest of the Canadas let alone a political union.
And if the U.S. wanted to penalize "Canada" over Iraq then they'd go after Canada -- the Windsor-Quebec City Corridor. So why haven't they touched it? Why are they penalizing good ol' Alberta with a federal wanna-be who sent a written aplogy to them for what, the big bad U.S. can't handle a fourth-rate military with no Air Force in a puny country the size of California, with the U.K. in tow as well? They need CANADA, which is off in the real war against terrorism in Afghanistan, 9/11, should be in northern Pakistan by now, Saudi Arabia, anywhere but Iraq and the refom-alliance "apology" for nothing that was published in the NY Times?
Read these:
NO REASON TO INVADE IRAQ -- ALL CLAIMS MADE WERE/ARE BASELESS
United States Senate Select Committee on INTELLIGENCE
http://intelligence.senate.gov/
Links on the site: Committee Members, Jurisdiction, Legislation, Hearings, Press Releases, Publications, Statutes/Laws Executive Orders, Other Links and two PDF's to download and read, from the site above or below. Just right-click on the links and use Save Target As... or whatever wording your browser uses:
Report on the U.S. Intelligence Community's Prewar Intelligence Assessments on Iraq
PDF http://intelligence.senate.gov/iraqreport2.pdf
Conclusions (Excerpted From Full Report)
PDF http://intelligence.senate.gov/conclusions.pdf
AND WHAT IT'S ALL ACCOMPLISHED
US admits the war for 'hearts and minds' in Iraq is now lost
Pentagon report reveals catalogue of failure
By Neil Mackay, Investigations Editor
12/05/04 [Calgary] Sunday Herald -- THE Pentagon (not CNN which did a much better job detailing this 111 page report, or anything/anyone else -- JUST THE PENTAGON) has admitted that the war on terror and the invasion and occupation of Iraq have increased support for al-Qaeda, made ordinary Muslims hate the US and caused a global backlash against America because of the "self-serving hypocrisy" of George W Bush's administration over the Middle East.
... full article: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7415.htm
Report of the Defense Science Board Task Force
Department of Defense, United States of America
September 2004
Office of the Under Secretary of Defense
For Acquisition, Technology, and Logistics
Washington, D.C. 20301-3140
PDF http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/dod/dsb/commun.pdf
Then tell me all about Iraq.
Says who and based on what? And even if it is 200 years, what are you all moaning about now? You've totally contradicted yourself. "Alberta has balls and it built up the oil industry ... but is 'concerned' over only having another 200 more years of lottery winnings, at least."
The "balls' to be the biggest whiners and moaners in Canada about claiming to have balls? What kind of contradiction is that? TWO HUNDRED YEARS. What's south Ontario going to have to do over the next TEN years? It's not going to sit around being plundered by this "federation" to the point of strangulation. Having two hundreds years to sit back and relax on, no debt, $10+ billion and growing hoarded away while bitching for more and more "federal" (south Ontario/south Quebec, even B.C.) money; and what alternative energy? Alberta fluked out with a natural wind tunnel but it kinda conflicts with the oil industry. And I know about the windfarms but good luck trying to create enough energy to power te City of Toronto with; and even better luck trying to get a power grid from there to here or into the U.S. Who built them? Where was/is all the R&D done and who paid/pays for it? Alberta doesn't even make its own cabinets.
Alberta has had 50 years to invest in MEAT PROCESSING PLANTS and hasn't bothered and "needs" money from south Ontario to build them -- with no markets to sell to. The CITY OF TORONTO has all of the above covered ten times over along with lots more, so don't worry about it. And it's nothing but the usual parroting of the marketing lies of a politician without a clue. And don't forget about Enron and Worldcom, not to mention the Nasdaq crash, Iraq war and Great Depression, which "Paul Martin and the Liberals" are all respo
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The "balls" to submit to foriegn oil companies (2 from Ontario) moving in and taking over. And setting a precedent "conservative" example of collecting equalization welfare handouts from Ontario and B.C. for seven years, and no taxes on oil/natural gas, keeping 100% of the royalties that foriegn oil companies pay to the Alberta government in exchange for LAND RIGHTS -- while sucking up provincial welfare at 100% as though the royalities paid to the "conservative" Alberta government didn't even exist?
And 50 years later, it's still a largely deserted prairie province with an economy based on agriculture. Libya does better, in what is otherwise a desert country with no agriculture.
Klein stuffs money under his mattress in the billions of dollars into the 'rainy day'/heritage fund.
At the start of fiscal 2000-01 a minus $2.5 billion "debt" was reported by Alberta. At the end of fiscal 2000-01 a slight "conservative" budget miscalculation of $7.8 billion in over-taxation on not even 3 million people was produced -- and Klein cut healthcare over it.
Then, without even running a budget deficit he claimed that Alberta had a debt again, while he had over $10 billion stashed away under his mattress -- and Albertans actually believed it and put up with more cuts "to pay off the debt" that didn't exist, becuase he was following Mike Harris (Ontario, proper Conservative), who had a $60 billion budget deficit (starting in 1995), higher than the confederate deficit, along with $130+ billion in debt and slashed and burned everything in Ontario -- but for very good reasons and with a phase II that never happened because the Chretien government, leader of government, you obey or are fired, took an extra $21 billion (always taken; not paid back in equal transfers per capita let alone all of the other bills Ontario pays for this "federation" and always has) out of Ontario's government, revenues, extra money generated by Ontario yanking Canada out of a recession into leading the G7/OECD in economic growth and productivity, and everything below the Ontario government, to ensure that Harris' Common Sense Revolution didn't work. And Chretien fired Martin over it, because he disagreed with just about every word that came out of Chretien's mouth.
And don't compare this country to the U.S. Holland is the closest thing to Canada around -- not Jesusland and "left and right" mean nothing here that means the same in the U.S.; social intolerance/stagnation/regression of civil rights, regression of economic growth and everything else is "right" in the U.S. Fiscal Conservatism with a right proper bastard of a capitalist C (but social tolerance because it's productive -- happy people are productive people and tolerant people exposed to thousands of strangers from all around the world every day in real cities, are productive and innovative people) around 21st century capitalism, not agricultural era supply-side economics, which Harper is into -- and we don't care how much wheat the prairies can manage to export.
All you have to do is look at this:
Windsor-Québec City Corridor, 2001
Ontario Section
10,706,513 93% of Ontario's population
Québec Section
6,327,354 87% of Québec's population
Total Population
17,033,867 57% of Canada's population
Source: Statistics Canada 2001 Census
And note that only 7% of Ontario's population lives outside the Ontario section, only 13% (and shrinking fast other than around tha Aboriginal peoples) of the Quebec section, and this...
GDP PERCENT BY JURISDICTION (based on source below, 2004)
Sorted from highest to lowest
Code:
ONTARIO ............... 42.10
QUEBEC ................ 21.07The rest...
Code:
BRITISH COLUMBIA ...... 12.38
ALBERTA ............... 11.99
MANITOBA .............. 3.14
SASKATCHEWAN .......... 2.95
NOVA SCOTIA ........... 2.28
NEW BRUNSWICK ......... 1.89
NEWFOUNDLAND & LABRADOR 1.38
NORTHWEST TERRITORIES . 0.34 <-- Look out PEI
PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND .. 0.30
YUKON TERRITORY ....... 0.11
NUNAVAT TERRITORY ..... 0.07Look at big bad Alberta and in another post you claimed that CANADA is flocking to Alberta. If that's so, then how does this work?
Population Growth from Census 1991 Census 2001
Sorted from most to least (rounds to nearest thousand by source, 500+ bumps up to the next thousand, 499 or less doesn't)
Code:
ONTARIO ............... 1,325,000
BRITISH COLUMBIA ...... 626,000
ALBERTA ............... 429,000
QUEBEC ................ 341,000
MANITOBA .............. 28,000
NOVA SCOTIA ........... 8,000
NUNAVAT TERRITORY ..... 6,000
NEW BRUNSWICK ......... 5,000
PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND .. 5,000
NORTHWEST TERRITORIES . 1,000
YUKON TERRITORY ....... 0
SASKATCHEWAN .......... -10,000
NEWFOUNDLAND & LABRADOR -55,000[Last 100 years of dicentannial census data per jurisdiction]
Strange that Ontario ended up with almost a million more people than Alberta did. Also strange that Ontario only picked up 3 new seats in "the Commons" while Alberta and B.C. both picked up an extra 2 seats (which is why I asked StatsCan for the information in the first place--and accurate/updated numbers do to the "oversights" in Ontario of who knows how many people, at least 2 million, and double-counting elsewhere but nothing is corrected in any of the numbers that the above is based on for anything, going back to the 1986 census.
See, one of these decades, Ontario is going to have over half of the population of the Canadas and it won't be long, maybe 30 years. If the ridiculous confederate "Commons" still exists in another ten years let alone 30 or so, at most, Ontario will be able to form up its own party, vote it in, nothing will ever be able to vote it out, but it would vote itself out after FINALLY getting control of this mess to completely re-structure everything and from the bottom up not the top down, leaving no top; just union services but that has to happen long before Ontario ends up with over half the population -- like today and Harper isn't the one to even try it with some bizarre top-down approach that won't work for anything but what he represents and knows -- the christian evangelical "right", U.S. style).
Create the above in the U.S., two states with over 60% of the total GDP of the U.S., along with the transfer and equalization and RCMP "federal"-provincial/territorial law enforcement everywhere but in Ontario and Quebec and on and on, penalizing economic success to the point of strangulation to reward failure with zero accountability -- right in the constitution -- well, best of luck trying to create a Toronto area in the U.S. -- with the percentate of population and GDP it has, the taxes it pays out, but all in U.S. numbers.
California has the highest GDP [GSP, Gross State Product, more descriptive, exact same thing and go ahead and call provincial GDP's GPP's] in the U.S. and it's around 15% of the GDP of the U.S. and that's a state, not a city-area. Create two more "states" in the Canadas by separating out the Windsor-Quebec City Corridor into South/North Ontario and South/North Quebec then go to it trying to create THIS mess in the U.S., using U.S. total GDP/GNP, total population then the percentages and see how many states you'd have to merge together just to create the Greater Toronto Area/GTA, not even the whole city-region/CMA, starting with California, NY, Texas -- try the Bureaus of Economic Analysis, www.bea.gov I think is the URL -- and then try to claim that the U.S. syatem would work in this mess, with two states paying 70% of all federal revenues on average, tiny states, slivers of land compared to the rest, paying the bulk of the federal debt -- and Ontario doesn't owe one cent of it. So what are you constantly bitching about?
Seriously. What is "big bad Alberta's" big problem? Too much representation? It doesn't even have its own law enforcement. Good old "conservative" Ralph Klein -- organize something to tell him to get FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT other than the FBI/SS ends of the RCMP, OFF ALBERTA'S LAND. They answer to the feds ultimately, not to any mayor or premier. It creeps me out seeing federal police around -- like all over Vancouver. WE, the real Canada, sent the "Mounties" out temporarily 100 years ago. WHY ARE THEY ALL STILL EVERYWHRE BUT IN ONTARIO AND QUEBEC?
And chew on this -- around Quebec, which pays the highest per capita taxes in the 'federation" and actually has a capita/population and economy to speak of and no RCMP "federal-provincial" law enforcement, no lots of things that the western provinces get that don't show up in MAJOR transfers that run from the confederates back to provinces/territories, not the other way around and per capita is how they're all worked out and is all that matters given what they "subsidize" (or are pittances of tax returns for Ontario, Quebec, usually B.C. and sometimes even Alberta):
MAJOR "Federal" Transfers
2004-05 and 2005-06 estimates sorted from the highest, per person, to the lowest for 2005-06[/b
Per capita/person and percentage of total government revenues
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2004-05 2005-06
NUNAVAT TERRITORY ..... $25,975 / 88% $28,061 / 91% UP 3%
NORTHWEST TERRITORIES . $16,633 / 78% $17,951 / 80% UP 2%
YUKON TERRITORY ....... $15,727 / 76% $16,818 / 78% UP 2%
PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND .. $ 2,930 / 39% $3,291 / 42% UP 3%
NEW BRUNSWICK ......... $ 2,739 / 36% $3,111 / 39% UP 3%
NEWFOUNDLAND & LABRADOR $ 2,449 / 32% $2,966 / 34% UP 2%*
NOVA SCOTIA ........... $ 2,455 / 39% $2,793 / 42% UP 3%
MANITOBA .............. $ 2,428 / 38% $2,717 / 40% UP 2%
QUEBEC ................ $ 1,757 / 25% $2,052 / 26% UP 1%
BRITISH COLUMBIA ...... $ 1,383 / 18% $1,570 / 19% UP 1%
ONTARIO ............... $ 1,322 / 21% $1,487 / 21% UP 0%
SASKATCHEWAN .......... $ 1,332 / 20% $1,487 / 28% UP 8%**
ALBERTA ............... $ 1,321 / 16% $1,486 / 16% UP 0%* NL Up one position in per capita transfers over NS from 2004-05
**SK up the highest of every jurisdiction in percentage of provincial revenues
Source: http://www.fin.gc.ca/FEDPROV/mtpe.html#Newfoundland (scroll down for all jurisdictions)
The 2004-05 estimates, they're adjusted and paid out quarterly, the 2004-05 numbers may or may not be updated by the Dept. of Finance (confederate) web site. You need the financial statements of Public Accounts from each jurisdiction, which are out for fiscal 2003-04, not last fiscal year, it just ended on March 31, 2005, it takes time to get the statements together, to find out exactly what each jurisdiction got in transfers -- if their own accounting laws, standards & practices, even bother listing what they got from south Ontario taxpayers in equalization or any other handouts "complements of the confederates" but not from them. They're from south Ontario's taxes for the most part. And there are real federal expenses to pay for -- like the Department of Finance Canada, for example, the federal debt, for example, and at least other jurisdictions owe money on that.
A good explanation as to what transfers are, what they cover, up to sub-national governments not the confederates, they're all no strings attached grants for provincial/territorial governments to do what they want with. The Canada Health Transfer (CHT, the largest transfer), the thing that the U.S. doesn't have, which allows for universal catasrophic (at least) healthcare by varying what each province (state, whatever sub-national government) gets per capita to cover its healthcare expenses, based on the sub-national government's ability to generate its own revenues (which is usually ignored; other than around "Ontario" where it's penalized quite severely for being "too successful" and Quebec as well, which opted out of the CHT -- get "conservative" Klein to do that same, find out what the Canada Social Transfer/CST covers and get Klein to opt out of that one too, as Quebec has; then see how well it works, other than being able to get away with things that other provinces can't -- because Quebec pays for 100% of its healthcare, post-secondary schools, provincial welfare plan, and everything else the CST helps sub-national governments to pay for; other than Ontario, with pittances of tax returns, always, like since 1867) and what is Klein's position on Quebec? How about Harper? Ignorance that causes divisivness is their position on everything.
Where's your copy of the reform-alliance "conservative" election platform for the 2004 election? How many pages is it including covers and whatnot? What is this doing in it?
- Ignore Supreme Court of Canada rulings on Charter issues
You won't gain enough insight to even comment about equalization or any other "transfer" without reading every link. Don't expect to skim around lazily and have everything dropped in your lap in a soundbyte.
Social progress, skilled human capital, is what real capitalism/"industrialism"/knowledge-based economies thrive on and will kick the ass of medieval religion back into personal lives and god buildings at the best, where it belongs. And if you don't like it then see if Jesusland will let you in and go discriminate down there without even knowing that you're doing it (no one who discriminates knows it). But choose carefully; it's not as religious as the current marketing is making out. But the U.S. has never had real separation of Church from State: A modern democracy as opposed to a semi-theocracy. It's the least secular western industrialized democracy. Look up the noun, secularism if you don't know what it means, try a Google on +secularism +canada remembering where Canada is -- but only to those who make outrageous claims about "the east" -- while pretending to be holding cards due to ancient history; religion.
If you want your share of the federal debt, all federal expenses, want law enforcement pulled unless Alberta pays for it all, then it not only can but will be arranged -- and it still won't get out of Canada. The U.S. would never allow that to happen. It would allow it to go bankrupt so that it could buy out land from the IMF, do whatever the hell it wanted to, keep out ALL imports it doesn't want, build more pipelines out of Alberta, rape, pillge, plunder -- and pay a lot less for supply from it.
But this happens instead.
All of those pipelines run OUT of Alberta to where the markets are, due to innovation in other regions with Alberta getting plundered, mainly by the U.S. (investors, private; corporations that have to make money for investors) -- and it's also keeping out the crap it doesn't want or need, things that kill jobs in the U.S., have done nothing for the prairies but allow them to stagnate on welfare, with no markets to speak of. Even with the sticky bitumen stuck to sand and dirt in Alberta, which others developed the technology for (and human capital -- then they move to Alberta because it can't create enough of its own just to extract the bitumen and turn it into synthetic crude, still expensively, to be transported to other regions) and what "balls" that takes.
It's not even much of a sector in Ontario but...
Ontario’s Chemical Industry
Innovation Catalysts
Ontario is one of the most dynamic and profitable business centres in the world. For chemical companies, this means an excellent return on investment. During the past decade, the average annual profits of industrial chemical companies in Canada have been double those of companies in the U.S.
Every effort has been made to ensure the accuracy of the information in this publication at the time of writing; however, the programs referred to and the data cited are subject to change.
All figures are in US dollars unless otherwise noted. The exchange rates used are based on Bank of Canada [I wonder why ... why not a U.S. Federal Reserve Bank or the Bank of Japan?] annual averages.
2002: Cdn$1.00 = US$0.64
2003: Cdn$1.00 = US$0.71
2004: Cdn$1.00 = US$0.79
Ontario’s sophisticated chemical industry
Ontario is a very profitable place for chemical companies.
That’s why Ontario is Canada’s largest chemical producer, leading petroleum-refining region and the hub of the nation’s plastics industry.
Operating costs for chemical companies are lower in Ontario than in leading U.S. production regions.
Excellent transportation links provide easy access to North America’s $12.3 trillion marketplace.
Ontario’s knowledge infrastructure is among the best in the world. Our research and development (R&D) incentives are very generous.
Global leaders and niche market innovators thrive in Ontario
Of the 10 largest chemical companies in the world, eight have operations in Ontario. It’s our third-largest manufacturing industry in terms of shipments. In 2004, our chemical industry had:
- 52,000 employees
- $18.2 billion in revenues
- $10.2 billion in exports.
Ontario’s plastics industry encompasses the full length of the value chain, from resin and materials suppliers to mould makers and processors that feed into a spectrum of end-user markets including automotive, pharmaceuticals, consumer electronics, packaging and construction. In 2004, the industry had:
- 88,000 employees
- $17.9 billion in shipments
- $5.9 billion in exports.
Today, Ontario’s chemical workers are pushing the boundaries of new product development in areas ranging from specialized polymers to advanced ceramics and alternative fuels.
Three clusters make industry collaborations cost-effective
Our chemical companies are concentrated mostly in three regions—Sarnia, the Greater Toronto Area and Ontario East. Within these clusters, some companies have developed mutually beneficial alliances.
They exchange co-products and by-products and share support services such as utilities, co-generation, storage, emergency services and waste disposal.
Colleges in the clusters provide industry-specific training courses to help chemical companies maintain the skilled workforce they need. [And to train human capital to send to Alberta because it doesn't bother. It's how Harper ended up there from west Toronto, but with a high school diploma, "working in the oil industry" doing what, no one says.]
Sarnia
Sarnia is Canada’s largest cluster of chemical, allied manufacturing and R&D facilities. It includes companies such as Basell Canada Inc., Dow Chemical Canada Inc., INVISTA, Imperial Oil Limited [Esso brand name around petrol products; a subsidiary of ExxonMobil that also operates in Alberta under the same name and all over the Canadas], LANXESS (formerly Bayer Inc.), NOVA Chemicals Corporation, Praxair Canada Inc., Shell Canada Products [ExxonMobil], Air Products Canada Ltd., Terra International (Canada) Inc. and SCU Nitrogen Inc.
Greater Toronto Area :shock:
Chemical companies in the Greater Toronto Area (GTA) produce lubricants, paints, medical gases for home and hospital use, laundry detergent, adhesives and more. As Canada’s business centre and financial capital, Toronto is also a prime location for corporate headquarters. Bayer, BASF, DuPont Canada, Unilever and many other industry leaders have their Canadian head offices in the GTA.
Ontario East
Chemicals from Ontario East—from Belleville to Brockville—go into fleece jackets, seatbelts, airbags and many other high-tech fabrics and products. Industry leaders in the cluster include 3M, Air Products Canada Ltd., BASF, DuPont Canada (R&D), INVISTA, Lilly Industries, Nitrochem and Procter & Gamble.
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Ontario’s Chemical Manufacturing Sector Percentage
Basic chemicals and resins 45.0%
Pharmaceuticals 19.0%
Soaps 7.5%
Paints 5.5%
Toiletries 4.0%
Agri-chemicals 2.0%
Adhesives 2.0%
Inks 1.0%
Other 14.0%Look who’s investing in Ontario!
- Apotex recently completed a $529 million investment program that included building a state-of-the-art R&D and manufacturing facility in Toronto and major expansions at three of its other high-tech operations in the GTA. It is the largest pharmaceutical investment in Canadian history.
- Suncor Energy [60% American owned; it also owns Petro-Canada and plunders mainly natural gas from Alberta, formerly Sunoco] plans to build a $213 million diesel desulphurization facility and an $88 million ethanol plant in Sarnia.
- Imperial Oil (ExxonMobil <-- they said it not me, "Esso" is one name it goes by in this country but its a subsidiary of a transnational, look it up and find out what it's up to in Alberta too) invested more than $200 million in its Sarnia and Nanticoke refineries to produce low-sulphur gasoline and $85 million to build an electricity and steam co-generation plant.
- NOVA Chemicals is investing $211 million to modernize and increase the ethylene production capacity of its plant in Corruna, near Sarnia.
- Commercial Alcohols invested more than $70 million to expand its ethanol production facility in Chatham.
- DuPont Canada has invested $21 million in fuel cell R&D in Kingston.
- 3M Canada invested $15 million to expand its masking tape facility in Brockville.
- ERCO Worldwide’s new plant in Thunder Bay produces 5,000 metric tons of sodium chlorite per year.
- Air Products Canada plans to build an 80-million cubic-feetper-day facility in Sarnia to produce hydrogen for Suncor and Shell Canada refineries.
Ontario stands near the centre of the North American industrial and consumer marketplace. Our pipelines and transportation infrastructure can move [after plundering the raw product -- crude oil; but creating jobs elsewhere as we do all over the world around supply we add value to then sell for a lot more than was paid for any of it; adding lots more jobs to the economy too] chemical and plastics products from the plant to the customer quickly and efficiently. [Namely truck fleets into the main markets of the Canadas, Windsor-Quebec City Corridor and a day's trucking to over half the consumer market of the U.S.]
Access to North American and global markets
Ontario is an integral part of North America’s $12.3 trillion market. Within a day’s drive of Sarnia, the Greater Toronto Area and Ontario East you will find:
- 65% of the entire Canadian Gross Domestic Product (GDP)
- 60% of the North American plastics resin market
- 54% of U.S. payroll
- key manufacturing sectors—automotive, pharmaceuticals, agri-food and packaging
- large and growing consumer markets.
The North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) ensures that products containing at least 62.5% Canadian content have duty-free access to the U.S. and Mexican markets. The joint U.S.–Canada Free and Secure Trade (FAST) program [due to 9/11] can make processing at the border almost instantaneous.
Export-oriented domestic markets
As Canada’s manufacturing heartland and a world leader in natural resource processing [worth less than 2% of Ontario's GDP -- processing for use, to add value, not processing for export], we have strong, export-oriented domestic markets for chemicals—autos and auto parts, construction materials, biotech, electronics, pulp and paper, mining and more.
Automotive
Ontario’s auto industry (assembly and parts) produced 2.7 million vehicles in 2004. That’s more than any state in the U.S. including Michigan. [And ALL manufacturing combined is only worth 21.07% of Ontario's GDP.] Some 400+ companies, including seven [not just the "big three", which sends Michigan into a recession given that its economy is mostly based on auto manufacturing and even that isn't diversified] of the world’s largest vehicle manufacturers, employ 135,000 highly skilled workers. Ontario companies are leaders in “in-sequence” manufacturing, injection and blow moulding, hydroforming, ferrous and non-ferrous casting, powder metal coating and fabrication.
Information and communications technologies
Ontario is a global centre for the design and manufacture of voice, data and video telecommunications, as well as, the development of digital microwave transmission, satellite communications services and data distribution networks. More than 6,000 companies generate $38 billion+ in annual sales.
Life Sciences
Ontario has the largest regional concentration of biotech firms in North America. Nearly all the global pharmaceutical and biotech giants have facilities here including Apotex, AstraZeneca, sanofi pasteur, Bayer, Baxter Corporation, Boehringer Ingelheim, Eli Lilly, Genzyme, GlaxoSmithKline, Roche, Johnson & Johnson Medical Products, MDS, Patheon and Pfizer. World-leading Ontario biofuels R&D companies such as Iogen, BIOX, Rothsay, Dynamotive and Ensyn are introducing industrial bioproducts that will increase the sustainable use of renewable resources. [And sharing it with what little Alberta does around non-renewable fossil fuel, which all of this is directly related to -- petrochemicals are where all the money is, plastic is made of fossil fuels, including the plastic in caplets, holding chemicals in them, often made from fossil fuels.]
Mining and forestry
Ontario is among the world’s top 10 producers of nickel, gold, cobalt and platinum group metals, with mineral production in 2003 valued at almost $3.9 billion. Exports of our forestry products—mainly newsprint [it can't be more finished other than by doing the printing and we'll do that too], market pulp, lumber and composite panels—topped $6 billion in 2003.
Consumer products
Consumer products from Ontario’s chemical companies and their industrial customers supply Canadian, U.S. and international markets. Ontario’s population alone—at 12+ million, is more than a third of the Canadian total—requires vast amounts of fuel, soaps, detergents, paints, packaging materials and textiles. [And "big bad Alberta" doesn't even have the markets of Montreal; or the economy. And private investors decide where and in what they will invest -- not "the feds". People chooose to live where they do, immigrants choose to immigrate to where they do, migrants choose to migrate to where they do; and Alberta only because it's short of human capital so it's SENT THERE.]
Infrastructure to support long-term growth
The Economist Intelligence Unit ranks Canada’s transportation infrastructure ahead of all G7 countries. [Pull out the Windsor-Quebec City Corridor and see where "Canada" ranks around anything.]
An extensive pipeline grid brings natural gas, petrochemical liquids, chemical intermediates and crude oil from western Canada, the U.S., the Maritimes and offshore sources to Ontario for processing and upgrading. [And upgrading in wages/salaries as a result, upgrading in jobs, "people with money to spend", markets to sell to without exporting, an upgraded GDP and of course, upgraded tax plundering to pay for the rest of the Canadas.]
Our highway network—part of the grid of interprovincial and interstate highways, expressways and turnpikes—links Ontario companies to U.S. and Mexican customers and suppliers.
Our rail lines connect with the U.S. at five commercial crossings. A double-track tunnel under the St. Clair River, capable of handling double-stacked container cars, links Sarnia to Michigan.
The Great Lakes–St. Lawrence Seaway system offers marine access to markets in the U.S. and around the world.
We have three international [the City of Toronto needs three alone but can't have them due to tax plundering to pay for everything else] and 61 regional airports. The largest is Toronto’s Pearson International [and second-most expensive airport in the world to use -- due to tax plundering], where 65+ airlines provide same-plane service to 43 cities in the U.S. and 42 cities abroad.
The data-intensive chemical industry needs top-of-the-line, secure telecommunications. Ontario’s network is among the best in the world: local and long-distance lines are 100% digitally switched; long-distance trunk lines are 100% fibre optic. The service is unsurpassed in terms of reliability and “self-healing” network recovery.
Knowledge networks—the new infrastructure
Ontario’s chemical industry leaders recognize our knowledge infrastructure as a major competitive advantage. Leading researchers from around the world have been drawn to our specialized university research labs.
These include:
- Centre for Manufacturing of Advanced Ceramics and Nanomaterials, Queen’s University, Kingston
- Centre for Advanced Polymer Processing and Design and the Institute for Polymer Production Technology, McMaster University, Hamilton
- Centre for Advanced Coatings Technologies and the Energenius Centre for Advanced Nanotechnology, University of Toronto
- Materials and Manufacturing Ontario, a provincial Centre of Excellence in Mississauga
- University of Western Ontario Research Park, Sarnia campus.
“DuPont Canada has been an industry presence in Canada for over 125 years. The many advantages of Ontario and Canada—proximity to major markets, highly skilled people, competitive costs and a vibrant research community—are key to our longevity and continuing success.
These attributes enable companies like ours to effectively serve Canadian customers, and also provide industry leadership from a Canadian base that creates value on a global level.”
Doug Muzyka
President and CEO
DuPont Canada
Skilled, knowledgeable workforce, from the plant floor to the executive suite
The availability and quality of Ontario’s large pool of knowledge workers provides a major competitive advantage for our chemical companies.
Ontario’s workforce A snapshot
Almost three out of 10 employees in our chemical industry have a university degree. Overall, 56% of all Ontarians aged 25–64 have completed their post-secondary education. That’s a higher percentage than in any other industrialized country, according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).
Our chemical workers are loyal. The average length of employment for chemical workers is 11 years in the Greater Toronto Area, more than 19 years in Sarnia and more than 20 years in Ontario East.
Our workforce is ethnically diverse. We speak more than 100 languages. Multilingual staff can make global sourcing, service and sales flow more smoothly.
Top-ranked universities for researchers and professionals
Ontario’s 20 universities generate more than 29,000 graduates a year in math, engineering and sciences, providing a constant supply of new talent for growing chemical companies. [Including Alberta's; it's not even a big industry in Ontario terms, but it needs what it needs, from stem to stern, and Toronto has the necessary pull, business pull and clout, finance, insurance, real estate is the largest cluster/sector in Toronto and by cooincidence, Ontario too.]
Seventeen of Canada’s top 50 research universities are located in Ontario. Our universities are widely recognized for excellence, particularly in programs related to the chemical industry. [And on other pages, "particularly" for every industry.]
The influential Gourman Report rates two Ontario universities (McMaster and Toronto) among North America’s top 10 for chemical engineering.
BusinessWeek ranks the MBA program at Queen’s University as the best in the world outside the U.S. The Financial Times ranks the business schools at four Ontario universities—Queen’s, York, the University of Toronto and the University of Western Ontario—among the world’s top 40 for MBA programs.
Apotex Pharmachem
“Businesses thrive or fail based on the quality, commitment, skills and knowledge of their people. Our business has excellent R&D and operations staff drawn from Ontario universities and colleges. These connections have led to research collaborations with a number of universities in the province and the development with Mohawk College of an on-site training program for our operators. Ontario’s ethnic diversity also means we can have people on staff who are familiar with the cultures and customs of countries around the globe where we do business, and that is a major benefit.”
Martin Ehlert
VP Manufacturing
Apotex Pharmachem
College–industry collaboration keeps chemicals skills training on the leading edge
Ontario’s 24 colleges of applied arts and technology are designed to meet the needs of both students and industry.
Colleges in the Sarnia, Toronto and Ontario East chemical clusters offer two- and three-year technology programs such as Chemical Laboratory Technology, Chemical Production Engineering Technology, Environmental Science Technician and Materials Engineering Technology. For example, students at Sarnia’s Lambton College Centre of Excellence for Process Manufacturing work in labs using state-of-the-art equipment to learn the specialized skills that are needed by the processing industry.
Many Ontario colleges also offer specialized training developed collaboratively with industry associations or individual companies.
Public investments in higher education and skills training
The Ontario government recognizes that knowledge-intensive industries like the chemical sector depend on the imagination and skill of their workers to produce the high-value, innovative products that underlie economic growth. [Unlike, oh, shipping cattle on the hoof to American meat processing/packing plants then RE-IMPORTING like 'conservative" Alberta does, which is called selling low, buying high and is a good way to go bankrupt, along with having the largest cattle "industry" in the Canadas and no markets to speak of. And BSE is not a naturally-occurring disease and I couldn't figure out what the big stink was over COWS in Alberta after IT created a 'mad cow' and the U.S., along with 40 other countries, banned all Canadian beef. "What's next, the price of chicken?" Yep.]
That’s why the province has launched the largest capital investment in colleges and universities since the 1960s. Ontario and its partners are spending Cdn $2.6 billion to create more than 135,000 new student spaces at colleges and universities throughout the province. [FINALLY, and when we get the rest of $50+ billion back in taxes owed to us per year, with interest due to inflation, we'll be able to do much better than that. Harper & Company weren't interested in any of it in the 2004 election campaign, no new deal for cities, which is FOR post-secondary education and our OWN MONEY ANYWAY, but sharing makes sense -- as long as we don't go under in the process and it's been close and still is -- while [too many] Albertans and others bitch away about nothing.]
A total of 74 new post-secondary capital projects, many in the rapidly growing fields of science and high technology, are being built on campuses across Ontario.
On-the-job training for skilled trades people is also critically important to industry. The new Apprenticeship Training Tax Credit gives companies a 25% refundable tax credit on salaries and wages for new apprentices. By 2007–08, about 26,000 young people will be entering apprentice positions each year. [And plenty will have to be shipped to Alberta -- if operations expand there, which is completely up to private investors, mostly in the U.S. -- not "the feds".]
Business environment for high-value production
Ontario [south] is one of the most dynamic and profitable business centres in the world. For chemical companies, this means an excellent return on investment.
Profits and productivity are higher
During the past decade, the average annual profits of industrial chemical companies in Canada have been double those of companies in the U.S.
The Conference Board of Canada’s Performance and Potential 2004–05 report shows that productivity in Canadian chemical manufacturing continues to exceed that of its U.S. competitors, largely due to the "Canadian" [:?: Lethbridge] industry’s greater focus on innovation. The recent "Canadian" productivity growth rate for basic chemicals is more than 5% a year, almost four times that of its U.S. counterparts. [And Ontario's is 7%, higher than any G7 or OECD country.]
Build your business in Canada’s business centre
Ontario’s economy, with a GDP of $408.5 billion (U.S.; 42% of the Canadian total), is larger than that of Belgium, Sweden, Switzerland or Austria. Toronto is Canada’s financial centre, home of the country’s largest banks, stock market and venture capital firms.
Business confidence in Ontario (south) is high. [And so is confidence around what real Conservatives are -- and the NDP are above the reform-alliance here now -- because Harper is totally clueless and blew an unbelievable marketing opportunity -- via Belinda Stronach over dealing, even pretending to, with the $23 billion "fiscal imbalance" between Ontario and the rest of the provinces just around transfer payments, just last fiscal year. Martin & Company told Ontario's premier to go f*** himself, and wouldn't even agree to meet him for a pittance of it back. So Belinda Stronach agreed to take it up with HER PARTY, "Conservatives to the rescue?" in the Toronto Star. And look at the mess Harper made of that one.] Corporate profits are growing, inflation remains low and our dollar has a favourable exchange rate in relation to the US dollar.
As an export-oriented manufacturing economy, we recognize the importance of being internationally competitive and maintaining our strong business climate. [But can't afford to due it due to tax plundering that STRANGLES us. Fair is fair, same transfers per capita, less for Ontario for no apparent reason is what it's asking for, just reduce the fiscal disparity in transfers alone back to $2 billion where they were a decade ago when Mike Harris, a right proper bastard of a Conservative, took over Ontario after a total disaster of the one and only time this province will elect the NDP, and with a majority dictatorship no less; they ran up a $60 billion budget deficit, higher than the federal deficit Mulroney & Company ran up and in less time -- one term from 1990-1995. Slash and burn everything in sight, there is no "equalization" for Ontario, it pays for it all and got no break from paying over half the expenses on a federal debt it doesn't owe a cent of, no other jurisdiction's government stopped yelling and screaming and more and more money, as though "the feds" have geese that lay golden eggs under magical money trees, Ontario got $21 billion less of its own taxes back just around tax returns owed to it, "transfers" to other jurisdictions, and the same per capita, we have to give out flu shots, people get sick here, have accidents, the usual. But with more people to cover, WHILE PAYING OUT MORE IN TAXES, more tax returns, PER CAPITA as they're all worked out, are needed as the population grows -- but the population goes up and tax returns go DOWN, per capita [going UP in every other jurisdiction], as per the rules of each transfer payment, with all kinds of side-deals and Harper doesn't even know what's going on. He could have taken Ontario, south, all of it, and obliterated Martin & Company just by bitching to them about the $23 billion Ontario is owed in transfer payments alone, in pittances of its OWN TAXES BACK, last fiscal year alone. Bitch for $4 billion of it back, $400 and change per capita, it'd do nothing but would SHOW ONTARIO, would have, as opposed to telling Stronach to take a hike, that he had a clue around political MARKETING if nothing else. It's hilarious how oblivious he is. And he even blew that to the point where the only MP in the GTA in "that party" did nothing, she only won by 600 and change in votes out of 12,000 and change from the "liberal" MP in the new district of Newmarket-Aurora, it was nothing for her to cross the floor and they will re-elect her because she did what they wanted her to do -- even though she had to leave "that party", which is GONE in Ontario now, below the NDP in opinion polls, due to Harper's obvliviousness -- and it shows around supporters. Alberta has WHAT even around "oil"? Try again and start with Quebec, which is next in line, then B.C., not Alberta.]
Ontario’s combined (provincial and federal) general corporate income tax rate is 4 percentage points below the U.S. average. [And taxes are too high in the Canadas? Why is that, becauee "conservative" Klein & Company run to "the feds" demanding handouts over every runny nose and every self-created problem, with over $10 billion stuffed into 'rainy day' funds? He's a greedy socialist. Actions speak much louder than words do.]
The regulatory environment is streamlined. Site permits are processed more quickly than in the U.S.
Provincial capital taxes are being eliminated.
Ontario has eliminated all fuel taxes on ethanol and biodiesel products. [What's biodiesel, Blue? Do you even know without looking it up? I'm not in the oil industry, Ontario is not in the oil industry other than by happenstance and it's certainly not some big sector in this province -- but nothing that Ontario leads the world in is "the biggest" sector in Ontario other than where it's having a lot of problems due to federal regulations and policies that have been around forever -- the financial industry.]
The Ontario New Technology Tax Incentive provides a 100% deduction for the eligible costs of acquiring intellectual property.
Ontario offers a range of tax incentives that can increase the potential savings under the federal government’s generous R&D incentives program. [And if Alberta is so keen on making money from renewable energy sources then why isn't it using the Kyoto crap to its advantage to MARKET the need for innovation around that field to sell it to the world as Ontario is? Harper is for or against Kyoto? The Accord itself isn't the point. The incentives it provides to THINK and be rewarded for innovation is all that matters. You get what you reward, and most innovative people are motivated by a desire to change the world, and that success in innovation lies in rewarding risk taking.]
Intellectual property rights are respected, our legal environment is much less litigious than in the U.S. and there are caps on awards for damages.
Ontario–U.S. cross-border project management and collaborations are made easier by shared time zones and similar business cultures. [Not the prairies.]
Competitively low operating costs = higher profits
KPMG’s comprehensive Competitive Alternatives 2004 confirmed that Canada’s business costs for specialty chemical manufacturing are the lowest among the 11 countries studied in the report. Costs in Canada are 6.1% below the U.S. average.
This has a huge impact on the bottom line. According to KPMG, a “typical” specialty chemical operation is three times as profitable in Canada than in the United States.
Average labour costs for chemical workers are 25% lower in Ontario than the U.S. average.
Manufacturers in Ontario pay about half as much as their U.S. counterparts for employee health care costs.
Telecommunications costs in Canada are also low. In 2004, the Conference Board of Canada compared telecom costs in 10 leading OECD countries.
Their key findings?
- Canada’s telecom costs are the lowest overall
- Canadian rates for Internet access are the lowest among the 10 countries
- Canadian rates for broadband Internet access are also significantly lower than rates in the United States
- fixed telephone charges are lower in Canada than United States
- Canada’s mobile telephone prices are among the lowest in the 10 countries.
[And the longest uninterrupted mobile phone service in the world runs from Windsor Ontario to Halifax Nova Scotia. Some say that the 'trans-Canada' highway is impassable in parts of Saskatchwan but with it's a provincial responsibility to maintain highways, Chretien did try to pass a National Highway Act of some sort but it was handily defeated. We have 400-series highways (and pay for all of them) in south Ontario for many good reasons and most have to do with JIT and truck fleets. You do know what JIT is? There's no need for what Alberta does to know about it, let alone Saskatchwan, which is why its highway infrastructure doesn't matter. That kind of supply can sit around in heaps/silos (in Thunder Bay] and rail is just fine for it. Seafaring freighters are just fine for raw/semi-processed commodities. But Harper would probably waste our money on what we have to pay for, more square km of highways than the rest of the "federation" combined has, mostly goat paths and if they're falling apart it's for a reason: rail is probably just fine, and less expensive, to transport whatever commodities to even pre-processing, then processing then manufacturing (high value, when JIT kicks on and warehouses are the backs of tractor-trailers) then retail and there's somewhat of a rush for that around high value goods but once the manufacturing is done, final assembly, vehicles, whatever go back onto freight trains.]
[A bunch of tables/comparisons...interesting]
Commercial Alcohols
“We’re part of a new breed of bio-science that applies technology to make products from renewable resources, products that were traditionally created from fossil fuels or petrochemicals. For us, Ontario’s world-class R&D capabilities and technologies are a real competitive strength. Secondly, Ontario’s economic structure is a microcosm of the U.S. with the same market drivers but, on a smaller scale. As a result, we have access to decision-makers and our ability to bring new products to market here is light years quicker.”
Robert Gallant
President and CEO
Commercial Alcohols Inc.
A great place to work and live [And if that isn't enough to convince you to invest and move your operations here, investmant advisor/location expert...which is what this mammoth site is targeted at]
No matter where you come from, you’ll find a community in Ontario where you’ll feel comfortable. One in four of us was born outside Canada. One in five of us is a member of a visible minority. [One in 2 in the City of Toronto.] We are the home to people from 170 different ethnic backgrounds [247 in the City of Toronto] who speak more than 100 languages.
No matter where you go in Ontario, you will find:
- affordable housing
- safe communities
- welcoming neighbourhoods
- high-quality government-funded health care
Education in Ontario—high quality and affordable [BRING THE KIDS TOO!]
Canadian teens have scored some of the highest marks in mathematics, science and reading among OECD countries.
Tuition costs for arts and science undergraduates at Ontario universities are 40% lower than those at the state universities in the Great Lakes region.
And when it’s time to relax?
It’s all at your doorstep. Whatever your after-hours pursuit, you’ll find it in Ontario.
- spas [with "extra services" too]
- casinos and horse racing
- live music—from classical to rock ’n’ roll, and jazz
- superb restaurants offering cuisine from around the world [in Sarnia? ]
- major league hockey, baseball, basketball and football
- winery tours [alternative fuels]
- internationally respected museums and art galleries
- botanical gardens
- shopping
- live theatre [the most outside NYC; on this continent]
- golf (more than 600 golf courses)
- luxury resorts and cosy bed-and-breakfasts
- skiing
- fishing
- 250,000 lakes
- 23 million acres of provincial parks and protected areas
And more ... :twisted:
For more information about investment opportunities in Ontario, please call us at:
1-800-819-8701 (North America)
00-800-46-68-27-46 (U.K. and Europe)
Email:
info@2ontario.com
Or visit us at:
www.2ontario.com
Ontario investment service
BCE place,
TD Canada Trust Tower, Suite 4040, 161 Bay street
Toronto, Ontario, CANADA M5J 2S1
Phone: (416) 360-4647
Fax: (416) 360-1817
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Just one page and not even the whole thing from one section of www.2ontario.com -- marketing the hell out of Ontario. Where's Alberta's counterpart? Look at www.2ontario.com before answering; I can't find a counterpart in the Canadas.
And you don't even have your own law enforcement. Big bad Alberta. Have you read an economic report lately about the turf, roughage ... whatever Alberta is selling to big bad ORGEGON? Why don't you check Oregon out at U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis to see where it doesn't fit in? What about seedoils to China? How are those mad cows coming along? Price of chicken?
Alberta is owned by ExxonMobil's balls. And if you think that the agricultural lobby in the U.S. (which is what the import bans and tariffs on everything BUT the Windsor-Quebec City Corridor are about -- and lobbies to the U.S. Congress -- please explain it all to me, it has nothing to do with Iraq; it has everything to do with the Outer Canadas skipping the industrial era, other than around the Trans-Canada rail line, and not to use to ship raw/semi-processed commodities around with but it made its own choices, the high tech era, waking up halfway through the information era when "cyberspace" showed up and figuring out which century it was and trying to skip in on it and wondering what the problem was/is) is bad -- try the U.S. transnational energy industry on for size.
bluealberta said:
To the last sentence, so what? Welcome to Canada (almost the world) and it's about time. It's what the City of Toronto pays out in taxes never to be seen again, every year; and with over a billion a year more leaving the City of Toronto every year; another $1.1 billion next year while the Ontario and confederate feds cash in an extra $1.3 billion from revenues plundered from the City of Toronto. And transfer payments run from the the Department of Finance Canada to provincial/territorial governments, not the other way around.
What you stated above is that the Alberta government is blowing between $9-$12 billion it receives back from the feds in transfers every year. And where did you get that information? I saw $8 billion in the Calgary Sun -- with no proof, no report cited, nothing. Toronto City Hall had its books open to all stakeholders and the Toronto Board of Trade organized everything to produce a report documenting $9 billion in revenues being plundered from the City of Toronto, in the only taxes (revenues, called a "tax" or driver's license or license plate or anything else -- government revenues) that matter -- never to be seen again.
And the Toronto Board of Trade documented it all to the Ontario and confederate feds and Toronto City Hall and the Toronto Board of Trade launched the "Enough of Not Enough" (of our own revenues back) campaign.
Over 400,000 individual letters from Torontonians were organized and mailed to every MPP from Toronto, the premier and finance minister of Ontario, every MP from Toronto, the MP responsible for communicating the City of Toronto's needs to Martin, the MP responsible for communicating Ontario's needs to Martin, the federal finance minister and PM -- well before the 2003-04 budget, with plenty of time to allocate more of the City of Toronto's own money back to it -- and we ended up with a tax increase and cuts to healthcare from the Ontario feds and our own revenues to everywhere BUT the City of Toronto or Ontario from the confederate feds.
But it did light fires under their arses for the "New Deal for CITIES" at the Ontario and confederate level -- which Harper opposed and it's why the GTA didn't vote for him. But now he's thrice-upped himself around that one. A trickle of our own money is finally going to be coming back, after over a decade of nothing but cuts, cuts and tax increases (provincial; the above is horse crap; add surtaxes and Ontario is right up there with Newfoundland and Labrador, Quebec and even "socialist Saskatchewan" in taxes, as the Canadian Taxpayers Federation put it and documented, along with "even Alberta's flat tax" is better but there would be no surtaxes if we could get our fair share of our own taxes back or even half of our fair share, just around "transfers" (tax returns, always, to Ontario and pittances of them -- nothing in this "federation" has ever paid one cent into Ontario. Ontario is the one and only jurisdction that has always paid more into this "federation" than it's taken out of it, as in it's OWED and it doesn't owe a cent of anything federal and nothing has any say around anything in Ontario -- because we paid for it all and quite a lot more than that, all over the Canadas, including Alberta for 50 years while it was a welfare province: "equalization" transfers were only made official in 1957. Money re-distribution has existed forever, including sending those "Mounties" out temporarily).
So Alberta finally gets off its arse, by virtue of doing absolutely nothing but its governments agreeing to take royalties/money from foreign oil companies in return for land rights for the oil companies -- is FINALLY paying into this "federation" and thinks it has something to bitch about? It's fine but it's out-bitching Quebec and acting far more socialist, so don't blame "us", the people who actually run things in the Windsor-Quebec City Corridor when, like next year, five years ago, ten years ago, it's no longer possible to maintain an economic union with the rest of the Canadas let alone a political union.
And if the U.S. wanted to penalize "Canada" over Iraq then they'd go after Canada -- the Windsor-Quebec City Corridor. So why haven't they touched it? Why are they penalizing good ol' Alberta with a federal wanna-be who sent a written aplogy to them for what, the big bad U.S. can't handle a fourth-rate military with no Air Force in a puny country the size of California, with the U.K. in tow as well? They need CANADA, which is off in the real war against terrorism in Afghanistan, 9/11, should be in northern Pakistan by now, Saudi Arabia, anywhere but Iraq and the refom-alliance "apology" for nothing that was published in the NY Times?
Read these:
NO REASON TO INVADE IRAQ -- ALL CLAIMS MADE WERE/ARE BASELESS
United States Senate Select Committee on INTELLIGENCE
http://intelligence.senate.gov/
Links on the site: Committee Members, Jurisdiction, Legislation, Hearings, Press Releases, Publications, Statutes/Laws Executive Orders, Other Links and two PDF's to download and read, from the site above or below. Just right-click on the links and use Save Target As... or whatever wording your browser uses:
Report on the U.S. Intelligence Community's Prewar Intelligence Assessments on Iraq
PDF http://intelligence.senate.gov/iraqreport2.pdf
Conclusions (Excerpted From Full Report)
PDF http://intelligence.senate.gov/conclusions.pdf
AND WHAT IT'S ALL ACCOMPLISHED
US admits the war for 'hearts and minds' in Iraq is now lost
Pentagon report reveals catalogue of failure
By Neil Mackay, Investigations Editor
12/05/04 [Calgary] Sunday Herald -- THE Pentagon (not CNN which did a much better job detailing this 111 page report, or anything/anyone else -- JUST THE PENTAGON) has admitted that the war on terror and the invasion and occupation of Iraq have increased support for al-Qaeda, made ordinary Muslims hate the US and caused a global backlash against America because of the "self-serving hypocrisy" of George W Bush's administration over the Middle East.
... full article: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7415.htm
Report of the Defense Science Board Task Force
Department of Defense, United States of America
September 2004
Office of the Under Secretary of Defense
For Acquisition, Technology, and Logistics
Washington, D.C. 20301-3140
PDF http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/dod/dsb/commun.pdf
Then tell me all about Iraq.
bluealberta said:
Says who and based on what? And even if it is 200 years, what are you all moaning about now? You've totally contradicted yourself. "Alberta has balls and it built up the oil industry ... but is 'concerned' over only having another 200 more years of lottery winnings, at least."
The "balls' to be the biggest whiners and moaners in Canada about claiming to have balls? What kind of contradiction is that? TWO HUNDRED YEARS. What's south Ontario going to have to do over the next TEN years? It's not going to sit around being plundered by this "federation" to the point of strangulation. Having two hundreds years to sit back and relax on, no debt, $10+ billion and growing hoarded away while bitching for more and more "federal" (south Ontario/south Quebec, even B.C.) money; and what alternative energy? Alberta fluked out with a natural wind tunnel but it kinda conflicts with the oil industry. And I know about the windfarms but good luck trying to create enough energy to power te City of Toronto with; and even better luck trying to get a power grid from there to here or into the U.S. Who built them? Where was/is all the R&D done and who paid/pays for it? Alberta doesn't even make its own cabinets.
bluealberta said:
Alberta has had 50 years to invest in MEAT PROCESSING PLANTS and hasn't bothered and "needs" money from south Ontario to build them -- with no markets to sell to. The CITY OF TORONTO has all of the above covered ten times over along with lots more, so don't worry about it. And it's nothing but the usual parroting of the marketing lies of a politician without a clue. And don't forget about Enron and Worldcom, not to mention the Nasdaq crash, Iraq war and Great Depression, which "Paul Martin and the Liberals" are all respo
