B.C. pipeline protests continue to halt Ontario trains for 5th day in a row

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If I want to protest a property tax increase for my neighbour in the City of Regina, I'm not going to go chain the doors shut at a Walmart in Barrie ON & screw everybody!! This should be explained to Tracie.
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“They denied having a pipeline running through their backyard, as would I’m sure any other person,” said Tracie Leost, a participant at the round dance.
Oh please.............if you are going to give an interview make darn sure you've got your facts straight less those who have them well in hand have occasion to look askance at your remarks - which in this case they most certainly do.




“It's a positive way for us to come together and use our ceremony and our dance to send love to a nation fighting something really, really, really difficult.” Police were on scene blocking off the entirety of the Albert St. Bridge, a move protestors felt muted their message to the public (?). Later they marched past the barricades, to the intersection of Albert St. and 14 Ave.
“It's a positive way for us to come together and use our ceremony and our dance to send love to a nation.."

Oh bullshit. There is nothing whatsoever "positive" about inconveniencing Canadians many of whom support First Nations efforts to improve their situations. Dance, sing and hold your ceremonies at home - the change in venue won't affect the sentiment at all.


"......a move protestors felt muted their message to the public....."

Good. If the Great Enabling Media would stop televising these activists - refuse to cover the protests, quit interviewing those on the blockades and give a bigger voice to FNs and Canadians supporting the Coastal Gaslink line, these types would soon find their minority voices not only muted but silenced.

The whole purpose of it is to cause discomfort, to cause inconvenience. Because when you're doing that and you're right in the face of the public, then they can get mad at you, they can hate you, but they see you,” (?) said Wendy Lynn, one of the protesters. There is not yet any word about plans for another protest next week.
So which is it? You are out there to send peace and love to Canadians in this really, really, really difficult fight? Or you are out there to cause as much disruption as possible? Someone needs to get their story straight. There is nothing positive in trying to foment hate and why would any thinking person wish to bring that upon themselves?
 

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Derek H. Burney: Enough is enough. Clear the blockades, restore the rule of law

It is times like this when Lucien Bouchard’s claim that “Canada is not a real country” has an eerie ring of truth. Protestors of many stripes have the upper hand in pockets of the country. The rule of law has been parked in the cupboard. Rail lines are blockaded and services suspended. A provincial legislature was shuttered. The country’s economy is crippled. The national interest has no defender.

The preferred solution is not a return to order and apprehension of the offenders. Rather it is “dialogue” — as remote and amorphous a prescription as the lowest form of sophistry; one that often can be a euphemism for vacillation and the evasion of responsibility.

A government that seems incapable of enforcing the rule of law or asserting the national interest has lost the will to govern. It has effectively ceded the right to govern. Dialogue is no prescription for those who refuse to listen because they believe themselves to be custodians of the only truth. They break the laws of the land with abandon, certain that they will face no consequences. Many of their complaints have been addressed extensively by the courts and by the responsible regulatory agencies and have been endorsed by duly elected band councils. Yet nothing but abject capitulation is what is being demanded.

Grievances of many kinds — a few of which may have strands of legitimacy — are used to justify what we are witnessing in various parts of the country, vestiges of mob rule— the antithesis of democratic values we supposedly cherish. Opposition to pipelines — the safest and most efficient means for transporting oil and gas — has gone from irrational to hysterical. Our competitors in the U.S. and Australia, among others, can barely suppress outright laughter as they watch the folly of Canada strangling the livelihood of hundreds of thousands of its citizens who prefer to work rather than to protest. India and China mock us openly by plowing ahead with increased coal production while espousing empty commitments to the Paris Accord.

Abetted by too many who are responsible for education in this country, the vilification of our resource base and support for fanciful climate-change “aspirations” march in tandem. But to what end? Can the 1.4 per cent Canadian tail really wag the global dog? Without genuine commitments from the major polluters, the climate-change crusade is rapidly becoming a fool’s game.

The words on the Peace Tower carry an ominous caution: “When there is no vision, the people perish.” Today, we have neither vision nor leadership. Instead of a clear sense of direction, we wallow in save-the-world mantras and mythologies. Instead of leadership, we hear feckless platitudes. Our law enforcement agencies are idled, awaiting the direction no one in government seems willing to give. In the absence of firm political leadership, fingers are pointed everywhere except where they belong.

A minority government should not mean that we have no government. So, when Parliament reconvenes after yet another “break,” our Prime Minister returned after yet another junket, will there be a call for action? Don’t hold your breath. Perversely, the tolerance for inaction in Canada seems to be at an all-time high.

We are slip-sliding towards a national paralysis with the same degree of complacency and indulgence that brought us to this self-made crisis — policies that have stunted our competitiveness, set region against region, hollowed out our global image and left us squabbling over peripheral issues. The most precious elements of our existence atrophy from sheer neglect.

The priorities for any Canadian government are national unity, prosperity and security. We are currently lagging on all three. Tensions are smouldering in western Canada as efforts to develop their major energy resource are negated or stymied by oppressive regulations and malign neglect. Our economy is anemic, and our security is compromised by the unwillingness of those who purport to govern to uphold the law. Before we try to save the planet, we need urgently to refurbish the national fabric.

We need a firm combination of panache and purpose:

1. First and foremost, the government needs to restore public order, not through nebulous calls for dialogue, but by action. Declare that “Enough is Enough.” Restore our national transportation system and empower all federal law enforcement agencies, and if necessary the military, to uphold the rule of law. Instruct them to institute clear “cease and desist” ordinances, incarcerate offenders and deport non-Canadian protestors. Draw a line in the sand instead of having sand kicked in our face.

2. Second, instead of wallowing in a litany of historical grievances — real and perceived — and vacuous platitudes about reconciliation, pledge to provide clean water and basic medical services to all native reserves within a definite timeframe. Offer to work with native leaders who share the view that improving the well-being and livelihood of native people should be the overriding priority.

3. Stimulate and support responsible energy initiatives like the Coastal GasLink and Teck Resources oil sands Frontier project which will bring billions of dollars of needed investment and provide economic benefits for western Canada, including for several native communities. Any mention of an aid package for Alberta as a substitute for project development would be as offensive as it is impractical.

Most of all, give real meaning to the “Peace, Order and Good Government” clause of our Constitution and prove that Lucien Bouchard was wrong. Canada is and can be a “real country.”

nationalpost.com/opinion/derek-h-burney-enough-is-enough-clear-the-blockades-restore-the-rule-of-law
 
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ALL the elected band councils (20/20), and 8 out of 13 hereditary chiefs have accepted the pipeline.



The First Nations minority can not be allowed to shut down the country in a petulant attempt to get their way.

So, what if our "hereditary chief" (Elizabeth R) came across the water, dismissed Parliament, and ruled from Governor's House because she did not like a decision Parliament made?


Would that be OK?


I think not.
 

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I worked for Majestic Wiley as" Band-aid" :lol: that's what they call ambulance driver, in Petrolia in '75.
When the job was done in those farmers' fields you couldn't tell any work and digging had been done there!
Same thing that year in Rigaud Quebec
They had a few tractors parked near a farmer's barn one night and the noise they made starting up in the morning scared the chickens and I negotiated the payment for the loss of egg production that day!
 
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I'll have you know that we are not all snowflakes in this province, Das and I take exception to that comment! :p:lol:


Please don't make the mistake of thinking that the politics of the Left Coast in anyway resemble those of the North and Interior of the province. We could not be more dissimilar.
I live close enough to the coast and my MP is Conservative . Remember most of us still work for a living .
 

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I'll have you know that we are not all snowflakes in this province, Das and I take exception to that comment! :p:lol:


Please don't make the mistake of thinking that the politics of the Left Coast in anyway resemble those of the North and Interior of the province. We could not be more dissimilar.
My friends and I have more in common with you than the protesters, they congregate here because of our climate and generous welfare . Sadly the left coast is the repository for Canadian deadweight .
 

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Derek H. Burney: Enough is enough. Clear the blockades, restore the rule of law

It is times like this when Lucien Bouchard’s claim that “Canada is not a real country” has an eerie ring of truth. Protestors of many stripes have the upper hand in pockets of the country. The rule of law has been parked in the cupboard. Rail lines are blockaded and services suspended. A provincial legislature was shuttered. The country’s economy is crippled. The national interest has no defender.

The preferred solution is not a return to order and apprehension of the offenders. Rather it is “dialogue” — as remote and amorphous a prescription as the lowest form of sophistry; one that often can be a euphemism for vacillation and the evasion of responsibility.

A government that seems incapable of enforcing the rule of law or asserting the national interest has lost the will to govern. It has effectively ceded the right to govern. Dialogue is no prescription for those who refuse to listen because they believe themselves to be custodians of the only truth. They break the laws of the land with abandon, certain that they will face no consequences. Many of their complaints have been addressed extensively by the courts and by the responsible regulatory agencies and have been endorsed by duly elected band councils. Yet nothing but abject capitulation is what is being demanded.

Grievances of many kinds — a few of which may have strands of legitimacy — are used to justify what we are witnessing in various parts of the country, vestiges of mob rule— the antithesis of democratic values we supposedly cherish. Opposition to pipelines — the safest and most efficient means for transporting oil and gas — has gone from irrational to hysterical. Our competitors in the U.S. and Australia, among others, can barely suppress outright laughter as they watch the folly of Canada strangling the livelihood of hundreds of thousands of its citizens who prefer to work rather than to protest. India and China mock us openly by plowing ahead with increased coal production while espousing empty commitments to the Paris Accord.

Abetted by too many who are responsible for education in this country, the vilification of our resource base and support for fanciful climate-change “aspirations” march in tandem. But to what end? Can the 1.4 per cent Canadian tail really wag the global dog? Without genuine commitments from the major polluters, the climate-change crusade is rapidly becoming a fool’s game.

The words on the Peace Tower carry an ominous caution: “When there is no vision, the people perish.” Today, we have neither vision nor leadership. Instead of a clear sense of direction, we wallow in save-the-world mantras and mythologies. Instead of leadership, we hear feckless platitudes. Our law enforcement agencies are idled, awaiting the direction no one in government seems willing to give. In the absence of firm political leadership, fingers are pointed everywhere except where they belong.

A minority government should not mean that we have no government. So, when Parliament reconvenes after yet another “break,” our Prime Minister returned after yet another junket, will there be a call for action? Don’t hold your breath. Perversely, the tolerance for inaction in Canada seems to be at an all-time high.

We are slip-sliding towards a national paralysis with the same degree of complacency and indulgence that brought us to this self-made crisis — policies that have stunted our competitiveness, set region against region, hollowed out our global image and left us squabbling over peripheral issues. The most precious elements of our existence atrophy from sheer neglect.

The priorities for any Canadian government are national unity, prosperity and security. We are currently lagging on all three. Tensions are smouldering in western Canada as efforts to develop their major energy resource are negated or stymied by oppressive regulations and malign neglect. Our economy is anemic, and our security is compromised by the unwillingness of those who purport to govern to uphold the law. Before we try to save the planet, we need urgently to refurbish the national fabric.

We need a firm combination of panache and purpose:

1. First and foremost, the government needs to restore public order, not through nebulous calls for dialogue, but by action. Declare that “Enough is Enough.” Restore our national transportation system and empower all federal law enforcement agencies, and if necessary the military, to uphold the rule of law. Instruct them to institute clear “cease and desist” ordinances, incarcerate offenders and deport non-Canadian protestors. Draw a line in the sand instead of having sand kicked in our face.

2. Second, instead of wallowing in a litany of historical grievances — real and perceived — and vacuous platitudes about reconciliation, pledge to provide clean water and basic medical services to all native reserves within a definite timeframe. Offer to work with native leaders who share the view that improving the well-being and livelihood of native people should be the overriding priority.

3. Stimulate and support responsible energy initiatives like the Coastal GasLink and Teck Resources oil sands Frontier project which will bring billions of dollars of needed investment and provide economic benefits for western Canada, including for several native communities. Any mention of an aid package for Alberta as a substitute for project development would be as offensive as it is impractical.

Most of all, give real meaning to the “Peace, Order and Good Government” clause of our Constitution and prove that Lucien Bouchard was wrong. Canada is and can be a “real country.”

nationalpost.com/opinion/derek-h-burney-enough-is-enough-clear-the-blockades-restore-the-rule-of-law
Good article except for the last line , it should read . Canada isn’t and can’t be a real country .
 

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This whole protest mess is proving to be Trou d'eau's albatross
The shiny pony has lost his shine!
He can't "hum" and "hah" his way out of it!
 

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My friends and I have more in common with you than the protesters, they congregate here because of our climate and generous welfare . Sadly the left coast is the repository for Canadian deadweight .
Climate? Nope. Generous welfare? Ummmmm, no.

It's the drugs.
 

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Homeless Count 2019

Edmonton - 1607 - Population 1.31 Million

Vancouver - 2,223 - Population - 2.4 million

Another myth busted.
 

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I'll have you know that we are not all snowflakes in this province, Das and I take exception to that comment! :p:lol:
Please don't make the mistake of thinking that the politics of the Left Coast in anyway resemble those of the North and Interior of the province. We could not be more dissimilar.
Not all of us on the coast. Those of us that were born and raised here with logging and mining and fishing as the main employers are seeing our culture being systematically wiped out by hordes of foreigners that want to destroy not only our way of life but our economy to make us a Mecca for the idle rich to play and die in. SOmehow they think cleaning their swimming pools and making their coffee are career choices for locals.
 

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Not all of us on the coast. Those of us that were born and raised here with logging and mining and fishing as the main employers are seeing our culture being systematically wiped out by hordes of foreigners that want to destroy not only our way of life but our economy to make us a Mecca for the idle rich to play and die in. SOmehow they think cleaning their swimming pools and making their coffee are career choices for locals.
I do apologize to you, pgs and others living on the Left Coast, ts. I should have mentioned that there are many like-minded folk down there who share the same beliefs and values as those of us in the rest of the province. My bad.
 

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John Ivison: The millennial eco-activists stopping trains are the new colonialists


The uber-woke protesters who blockaded a CN rail line last weekend would be horrified at being accused of cultural colonialism. But they are as guilty of telling Indigenous Canadians how to live their lives as any Father of Confederation.

The reason 50 of them snuck into the MacMillan Yard north of Toronto and set up camp was to protest the “oppression” of the Wet’suwet’en 4,000 kilometres away in British Columbia — an Indigenous nation whose traditional land they say was “invaded” by the RCMP in an act of colonialist aggression.

Natali Montilla, 27, explained the thinking that shutdown CN’s west-bound line for seven hours on Saturday.

She referred to herself as a settler on Canadian land, but one with Indigenous roots in Venezuela.

She said the land she calls “Turtle Island” has been stolen from its native inhabitants.

Canadians should be prepared to give up a “cozy lifestyle” that “upholds white supremacy” and is built on the exploitation of the Indigenous population, she said, though she was less clear what she would forgo. “I don’t have a home, a car or a family,” she said.

Montilla and her comrades are effectively saying they know what’s best for the people who live in the communities along the route.

The juxtaposition of the views of the eco-activists with those who actually live there couldn’t be more stark.

Troy Young, a member of one Wet’suwet’en community, is the director of an Indigenous-owned company that stands to benefit from contracts to clear trees and build roads along Coastal GasLink’s proposed pipeline’s route.

He said the history of the Wet’suwet’en is of outsiders telling them how to do things. “Why would we accept it? If the environmentalists are successful, it will be one of the biggest cultural appropriations in British Columbia’s history,” he said.

Crystal Smith, the chief counsellor of the Haisla Nation, which has also signed an agreement to allow the pipeline to pass through its traditional land, recently offered an impassioned defence of what she called “an historic achievement.”

“First Nations have been left out of resource development for too long,” she said. It would have been easy to say no (as the Haisla did over the Northern Gateway oil pipeline). “But we are involved, we have been consulted and we will ensure there are benefits for all First Nations.”

Smith said the divisions between Wet’suwet’en hereditary and elected chiefs should be resolved internally. Activists like Montilla parrot the line that the elected chiefs are the product of a colonial history and that the hereditary patriarchy is the only legitimate source of power.

(Five of the six Wet’suwet’en bands support the pipeline, while five of the 13 hereditary chiefs oppose it. Two of those five opponents have titles that are disputed after hereditary chiefs Darlene Glaim and Gloria George, who held the titles of Woos and Smogelgem, say they had their status “stripped” and given to two men, Frank Alec and Warner Naziel, because of their support for the pipeline.)
But the internal machinations of this particular First Nation are a distraction.

The bigger picture is that 20 bands along the route see this project as a way out of the cycle of underdevelopment they have been caught in.

As Smith put it: “This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. I’m tired of managing poverty. I’m tired of First Nations’ communities dealing with issues such as suicide, low unemployment or educational opportunities. If this opportunity is lost, it doesn’t come back.”

Paul Manly, the Green MP for Nanaimo-Ladysmith, has spoken in support of the Wet’suwet’en hereditary chiefs. He said elected chiefs have not “consented” but merely “conceded,” that they might as well rake in some money from a project seen as inevitable.

That is not the interpretation I have taken from speaking to, and hearing from, local businesspeople and politicians. Smith talked about the pipeline proponents and the province approaching the Haisla from a “position of respect.”

What right do the cultural colonialists who blockaded the MacMillan Yard have to say they know better than the democratically elected leaders of these 20 First Nations?

As Alberta Premier Jason Kenney noted, these people are not Wet’suwet’en supporters, they are Wet’suwet’en opponents.

There are some very broad questions about how to bring Indigenous Canadians into Confederation as partners. The answers probably involve self-government and Indigenous rights recognition.

But if those empowered communities are to be sustainable they need jobs.

They manifestly do not need the unwise counsel of millennial eco-activists whose definition of hardship is living in their parents’ basement.

nationalpost.com/opinion/john-ivison-the-millennial-eco-activists-stopping-trains-are-the-new-colonialists