B.C. pipeline protests continue to halt Ontario trains for 5th day in a row

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Different list. Its Tyendinaga wishlist.

  1. The Items Needed are:
  2. – WiFi hotspot compatible with Bell/Rogers/Virgin SIM cards
  3. – baby wipes
  4. – toilet paper
  5. – Thermal Imaging Cabinet
  6. – first aid kits
  7. – rope
  8. – unlocked cell phones
  9. – marine 2-way radios
  10. – police scanner
  11. – megaphone
  12. – bottled water
  13. – HotHands hand warmers
  14. – winter work gloves
  15. – tarps
  16. – splitting axe
  17. – camping kettle
  18. – stainless steel campfire cooking set
  19. – cast iron cooking tripod
  20. – heavy duty folding campfire grill
  21. – 1000 watt twin head adjustable worklight
  22. – LED lights
  23. – 10,000 lumen string worklights
  24. – 3500 watt generator
  25. – AA and AAA batteries
  26. – flash lights
  27. – body cameras
  28. I'll take FIVE of all of the above also. I'll have a garage sale eventually.
 

Ron in Regina

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What is a thermal imaging cabinet? Is that for the deep steaks?
That's a necessary item for peaceful protests. Gott'a have police scanners and 'Hatch Defender II Gloves with Steel Shot knuckles' and night vision to make better S'mores (Note: add Graham Wafers & Marsh-mellows to the wish list). Same with Barb Wire & some of the other items on their "Amazon Wish List LINK": here.




 

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WARMINGTON: Attacking trains in Canada punishable by life in prison
You know it was wrong when even one of the key Mohawks behind the original blockade is disgusted by attempts to derail a CN freight train.
Still, strangely, some believe lighting wooden skids on fire to jam under a moving train is a retaliatory and justified civil protest over gas pipeline grievances and not a crime.
Of course the Criminal Code of Canada makes it clear.
Under Section 284, “Interfering with transportation facilities,” it states “every one who, with intent to endanger the safety of any person, places anything on or does anything to any property that is used for or in connection with the transportation of persons or goods by land, water or air that is likely to cause death or bodily harm to persons is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for life.”
Life in prison! You read it right.
No wonder Andrew Brant went to social media to scold those throwing rocks, setting fires and dropping impediments on the tracks near Tyendinaga.
“I hope you are proud for what you did in front of the whole world today,” Brant said in a Facebook live commentary at 10 p.m. Wednesday. “You don’t react like that. It’s exactly what they want you to do.”
Brant is a tough but fair customer who clearly has a breaking point.
“You made us look like Sh– in front of the whole world,” he said. “You don’t tarnish the entire image of a great nation.”
Brant also reminded Mohawk Warriors are a “strong military force to be reckoned with but that is because we are so peaceful.”
Warriors, he said, “have our weapons” for “defence” and “don’t attack.”
Calling it “not cool,” Brant added “what you need to do is not be setting sh– on fire on the tracks.”
He also called for people to “not do anything stupid anymore … “keep our fires sacred” … and “don’t be a d—.”
That should set straight commentators trying to justify what was nothing more than dangerous criminal behaviour on non-native land with homes and families and against a train with innocent souls on board.
None of those turning a blind eye would do so if supporters of Rob or Doug Ford were involved or, heaven forbid, were wearing read MAGA hats. It would be terrorism then.
Under terrorism in the Criminal Code, Section 83.01 (1) states: “The following definitions apply in this part that intentionally (A) causes death or serious bodily harm to a person by the use of violence, (B) endangers a person’s life, (C) causes a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or any segment of the public, (D) causes substantial property damage, whether to public or private property” and “(E) causes serious interference with or serious disruption of an essential service, facility or system, whether public or private, other than as a result of advocacy, protest, dissent or stoppage of work that is not intended to result in the conduct or harm.”
To summarize, those involved in trying to crash this train could be charged with terrorism and locked up for life. If they were supporters of President Donald Trump, those giving these disrupters a pass would be calling for just that.
torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-attacking-trains-in-canada-punishable-by-life-in-prison


But yet, as far as I know, no one has been charged with an offence of placing objects on the train tracks. Both the Criminal Code and Railway Act of Canada are being completely ignored by the police and by our useless bunch of politically correct politicians. To even put a penny on a train track and have a train ride over it could be seen as an offence under the Criminal Code and Railway Act. Communist anarchy has taken over Canada.
 

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But yet, as far as I know, no one has been charged with an offence of placing objects on the train tracks. Both the Criminal Code and Railway Act of Canada are being completely ignored by the police and by our useless bunch of politically correct politicians. To even put a penny on a train track and have a train ride over it could be seen as an offence under the Criminal Code and Railway Act. Communist anarchy has taken over Canada.
But some guy in BC got a huge fine for walking his dog beside the tracks.
 

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But some guy in BC got a huge fine for walking his dog beside the tracks.

if he had been there with a protest sign, and with a few of his buddies, even drinking beer, he would have been ignored and allowed to proceed. Sadly for him, he is just one of the majority of people in this pathetic country who are treated with total contempt by the police, our politicians, and the law, while a small minority of terrorists get the blessings of the police, the politicians, and the law.

This country has become so screwed up and has pretty much gone stupid. I think that our politicians plan to try and make us all go stupid is working and we are all starting to show signs of being stupid. We the stupid people won't even do stupid things like go out and protest against the protesters. We just allow ourselves to be constantly treated like we are stupid. So far, it appears to be working quite well for the leftist liberal establishment elite who are not the stupid ones here. We all should know by now as to who the real stupid ones are? I will give you only one guess. If you do not know the answer, and cannot come up with the right answer, than you are one of those now stupid ones. Chuckle-chuckle.
 

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What's a penny?[/QUOT

Lucky that there are no more pennies around anymore. Getting crushed by the wheel of a train must really hurt.

Well, if the penny is like the rest of our pocket change and our Canadian dollar(pesos)bills, they are not worth much anymore. For a Canadian travelling anywhere in the world today, they soon will find out that their Canadian peso is not hardly worth a pot to pizz in anymore. I keep losing about 30-35% on my peso everywhere I go which is really starting to hurt me big time. And that 30-35% is taken away from me before I even start to go anywhere.

Anarchy is now everywhere in Canada. My Canadian peso is worthless. More tax dollars for refugees and foreign aid for the rest of the 3rd world but there is no money left for Canadians in need. My Canadian politicians have nothing but contempt for me. All they seem to want to do for me is to create more or raise my taxes, give me more government/bureaucracy, and try to take away my freedoms. Big pipeline and other big projects get challenged and demonstrated against and we see thousands of new jobs go down the drain. Whatever happened to this once great nation that we once had going for us all many decades ago?

This all started when old man Trudeau came on the scene. His hatred for this country and the British was quite evident, and now his wrecking ball son is now carrying on with the old mans plans of trying to destroy this once great British/European nation and to try and turn it into a multicultural mixed up hell hole.

What i am seeing now is that it only takes a small minority of misfits like these protesters to get away with trying to bring down this country. It's not so much about Indian rights but more about trying to de industrialize this country, and it appears to be working. While Canada burns, the majority of we the people just sit back and watch it burn. It just appears as though nobody really gives a chit much anymore. Maybe it is because we have all evolved into and have become a bunch of it is all about me-me-me too generation.

This country could be one hell of a wealthy and rich country where all of us should be all living the lifestyles of the rich and famous. The potential is there to have this happen but it will never happen unless we stop voting in the same old bunch of fools and losers who only think about themselves and who we keep putting in power in Ottawa who appear to not give a dam about Canada or we the long suffering tax paying people of Canada. These protesters are wrecking this country and nobody one seems to care. Aw well, what more can be said. All this is is just an exercise in futility.
 

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Money that is being washed down the drain everyday. Money that could be used to help keep and make this country great once more. Money for a bunch of misfits that do nothing for it nor deserve it. If our politicians would stop treating our money like it was their' to do with as they please, we may all be wealthy and rich today and maybe we would all be living the lifestyles of the rich and famous. Just the money that is being blown on refugees and in foreign aid alone could possibly keep thousands of our tax dollars in our own pockets. The pipelines fiasco is a prime example of how our money is constantly being wasted and lost on terrorists who should be in jail today. It is not easy being a taxpayer in Canada today. Sad.
 

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Money that is being washed down the drain everyday. Money that could be used to help keep and make this country great once more. Money for a bunch of misfits that do nothing for it nor deserve it. If our politicians would stop treating our money like it was their' to do with as they please, we may all be wealthy and rich today and maybe we would all be living the lifestyles of the rich and famous. Just the money that is being blown on refugees and in foreign aid alone could possibly keep thousands of our tax dollars in our own pockets. The pipelines fiasco is a prime example of how our money is constantly being wasted and lost on terrorists who should be in jail today. It is not easy being a taxpayer in Canada today. Sad.
Don’t worry , be happy . The Olympics might still happen this summer . There is no greater event in national bonding . Viva le Quebec
 

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John Ivison: A deal made in haste, but the blockades are still in place

Both sides have signed up for an 'arrangement' on land rights and title, while the Wet’suwet’en have given away nothing on the pipeline

Carolyn Bennett returned from her weekend meetings with Wet’suwet’en hereditary chiefs with a piece of paper in her hand – not so much an agreement, as an “arrangement”.

We don’t know what is written on the paper but the federal and B.C. governments fervently hope it is enough to persuade the chiefs to call off nationwide blockades that are asphyxiating the economy.

The arrangement will be reviewed by a Wet’suwet’en community deeply divided by the Coastal GasLink pipeline being built on traditional land.

Let’s hope desperation to strike a deal didn’t cloud the Crown-Indigenous Relations minister’s judgment.

The details are not so much sparse as non-existent. But a joint statement issued by Bennett, B.C. minister Scott Fraser and the chiefs hinted at the form a deal might take.

It said two “separate” topics were discussed – recognition of Wet’suwet’en rights and title, and the issues arising from the pipeline. It seems they were kept separate, even if they are clearly linked, because the chiefs would not budge on the latter.

Construction on the pipeline has re-started and Fraser was clear that as far as he is concerned, it has legal clearance.

But the chiefs remain opposed and Bennett recognized in an interview that “there is still a difference of opinion”.

As such, hopes about an end to the wave of protests may have been raised prematurely.

If the pipeline’s future remains opaque, there was progress on land ownership in the form of a “draft arrangement.” If ratified, it will “breathe life” into the historic Delgamuukw decision, the statement said. This was a 1997 Supreme Court decision involving the Wet’suwet’en and Gitxsan peoples, who claimed Indigenous title to around 58,000 square kilometres of northwest British Columbia. A 1991 B.C. Supreme Court ruling said any rights First Nations may have had over the land were legally extinguished when B.C. joined Canada. The Delgamuukw decision overturned that judgment, saying treaty rights could not be extinguished, that oral testimony was legitimate and title rights included the extraction of resources.

Crucially, though, it did not grant the Wet’suwet’en simple ownership. The court encouraged the Wet’suwet’en to negotiate with the Crown. That was more than 22 years ago.

It looks very much like Ottawa has been shaken from its lassitude by the protests, which is poor reflection on this government and its immediate predecessors. It suggests that Indigenous Canadians only get noticed by their federal government when they take to the barricades.

Bennett said that the proposed arrangement is aimed at preventing “this kind of difficulty” happening again in the future.

Hammering the ball back into the Wet’suwet’en court, so that they are forced to deal with their internal governance issues is long overdue.

The hereditary chiefs are blocking the pipeline because they claim they were not consulted. The elected leadership of five of the six Indigenous bands in Wet’suwet’en support the project on economic development grounds. The deal reached on Sunday appears to grant the hereditary chiefs the authority to be at the table in future, while the ratification process gives the community the opportunity to decide who speaks on its behalf.

Providing a path to self-government is exactly what Ottawa should be doing.

Take a look at the annual report of any self-governing First Nation, such as B.C.’s Sechelt Nation, to see the bondage of dependency melt away. The Sechelt still receive federal funding for health and education but raise more than half their revenues from leases, fees, royalties, property taxes and contracts.

Yet the nagging worry is that Bennett has signed up to a deal, any deal, to end the blockades. You have to hand it to Frank J. Alec, aka Chief Woos, proprietor of Frank J. Alec Consulting, specialist in dispute resolution, and sometimes hereditary chief. He has toyed with federal and provincial ministers, letting them nibble the bait before reeling them in. They have now signed up for an “arrangement” on rights and title, while he has given away nothing on the pipeline.

The suspicion is that this is a lop-sided deal. The glee with which it was greeted by the hereditary chiefs certainly suggests they got what they wanted. “This is a momentous moment,” said Debbie Pierre, executive director of the Office of the Wet’suwet’en.

The Wet’suwet’en remain one of 65 First Nations currently ensnared in the B.C. Treaty Process, negotiating a self-government agreement. Does the prospective agreement with Bennett to “implement title on an expedited basis” mean the Wet’suwet’en jump to the head of the line?

The treaty process suggests the Wet’suwet’en have overlapping territory claims with four other First Nations. Does the arrangement signed at the weekend address territorial boundaries?

Bennett said the Wet’suwet’en’s situation is “unique” because the Supreme Court had already established the nation’s legal title. “It’s just a matter of implementing that,” she said, which sounds convenient.

The Trudeau government has not proven itself to be very strategic in its dealings with Crown-Indigenous issues. In summer 2015, the then leader of the third party promised to implement all 94 recommendations made by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, sight unseen.

His government has promised to introduce legislation that will “operationalize” the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples by the end of this year, without having any idea about the cost of introducing Indigenous languages into schools, to take just one example.

“That would cost Canada billions of dollars, so unless the government is prepared to find that money, it shouldn’t raise expectations,” said Ken Coates, Canada research chair at the Johnson-Shoyama Graduate School of Public Policy.

The Crown-Wet’suwet’en arrangement would seem to be similarly quixotic. Bennett claims it will be a “durable solution” going forward.

But opposition to Coastal GasLink remains entrenched and across the country, the barricades remain in place.

nationalpost.com/opinion/john-ivison-a-deal-made-in-haste-but-the-blockades-are-still-in-place?video_autoplay=true
 

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Elected Wet’suwet’en councillor calls for inclusivity in consensus building over deal


VANCOUVER- A Wet’suwet’en elected councillor says she has “high hopes” that internal conflict over governance issues and a pipeline can be resolved respectfully but she’s also concerned some members will not have a chance to participate in the decision on a proposed deal.

Karen Ogen-Toews, a councillor of the Wet’suwet’en First Nation, said six elected councils have historically been excluded from negotiations over land rights and she hopes all Wet’suwet’en people have their say before hereditary house chiefs return to the negotiating table with senior government officials.

“I strongly believe they need to do their due diligence and include the six communities,” she said from Burns Lake, B.C.

The hereditary house chiefs reached a draft agreement Sunday with senior federal and provincial government ministers centering on rights and title. Crown-Indigenous Relations Minister Carolyn Bennett said it would be signed if the Wet’suwet’en Nation reaches a consensus on it.

The details of the agreement have not been made public but it has been framed as addressing broader land claims rather than an agreement over the pipeline.

Under the traditional form of governance, major decisions are made in the feast hall and information may also be shared through clan meetings, although it remains unclear what role, if any, elected councils and members outside the region may play.

While Ogen-Toews said she has been hearing second-hand that clan meetings will take place this week and next, elected council members had not received direct invitations by Monday afternoon.

In the past, hereditary leaders have announced clan meetings in local newspapers. Ogen-Toews said she hopes they invite members directly given the importance of the decision being made.

She said while the province has been negotiating title issues with the hereditary chiefs for a year, the elected chiefs and council weren’t invited.

Ogen-Toews also expressed concern that clan meetings wouldn’t be accessible to all Wet’suwet’en people, many of whom don’t live nearby.

“My concern is there’s 5,000 Wet’suwet’en people throughout the province and country. How are they going to be included?” said Ogen-Toews, who is also CEO of the First Nations LNG Alliance.

The hereditary chiefs could not be reached for comment on Monday.

The Wet’suwet’en First Nation is one of five elected Wet’suwet’en councils that signed agreements with Coastal GasLink, the company building the 670-kilometre natural gas pipeline from northeastern B.C. to Kitimat. Opposition to the project by hereditary chiefs, who say their authority wasn’t acknowledged, sparked solidarity protests and blockades across the country.

The division dates back to the implementation of the Indian Act and Ogen-Toews said both elected councillors and hereditary leaders agree that the division was forced upon them.

“We can agree that the Indian Act is a colonial construct that has been imposed upon us but it is the only governing system that each of the six communities has,” she said.

The elected councils administer the reserves and are responsible for everything from shipping in bottled water to infrastructure, health and education.

The proposed agreement reached over the weekend aims to define more clearly the land and title rights of the Wet’suwet’en people, following the 1997 Delgamuukw-Gisday’wa decision.

In that case, the Supreme Court of Canada recognized the existence of Aboriginal title as an exclusive and ancestral right to the land, but the ruling fell short of recognizing the boundaries of the territory to which Wet’suwet’en title applies. The judges suggested at the time negotiations could be a better way to resolve outstanding questions, but those discussions did not progress.

Elected councils have been just as frustrated as hereditary leaders that land rights haven’t been recognized, said Ogen-Toews.

“I have high hopes this can be resolved and that the Wet’suwet’en people can resolve our internal issues respectfully, mutually and in an open, transparent and accountable way,” she said.

Wet’suwet’en elder Russell Tiljoe, a hereditary wing chief who has spoken in favour of the pipeline, said he also heard there would be clan meetings but he hadn’t been contacted directly.

There are five clans within the Wet’suwet’en Nation and at a clan meeting, hereditary chiefs share information and gather input from members, he said.

From there, Tiljoe said he expects the chiefs to call an all-clans meeting at the feast hall, which is where major decision are traditionally made through consensus. In the feast hall, clans sit together with the host clan in the centre, and all members can have their say until agreement is reached.

“They open the floor to everyone that wants to speak,” he said.

“Sometimes you have to do a lot of talking to convince the other people that this is the best way, sometimes it takes a while, because we always try and keep respectability and that’s what our feast system is based on.”

There is division over the pipeline in Wet’suwet’en communities but feasts are rooted in respect and Tiljoe said he hopes that is honoured, given the significance of the decision before them.

“It’s an important decision for us to make. It’s not just for a little while, it’s going to be for the rest of our lives, and our children’s lives.”

theturtleislandnews.com/index.php/2020/03/03/elected-wetsuweten-councillor-calls-for-inclusivity-in-consensus-building-over-deal/
 

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Raymond de Souza: Indigenous reconciliation requires resource development

If energy projects in remote areas require Indigenous consultation and participation, why not go the whole way and get Indigenous ownership?

While the turmoil of the anti-pipeline blockades is diminishing — though not over yet — three things have become clear in the past weeks that will shape Canadian politics and economics in the years ahead.

The first is that while protests at particular (remote) sites might be given the usual no-policing treatment, blockades of the rail network and other critical infrastructure will not be permitted. Western Canadian farmers alone have lost — are still losing — $63 million/week due to the blockade. The economic damage done to the country’s transport network from three weeks will take until the summertime to fully recover from. Governments will want to have more ways to prevent that.

Alberta’s government has already promised a bill to make disrupting “critical infrastructure” punishable with massive fines. Other provinces will follow suit and eventually the federal government as it contemplates a future blockade of an airport runway rather than a railway.

The second development is that the future of Canada’s oil and gas sector will involve more government ownership. There may be a lot of loose talk about “decarbonizing” the economy, but one might just as well as talk about shutting down Canada — as some have done this month. It’s not an option. Oil and gas is still Canada’s No. 1 export and there is nothing to replace it. The implications are national.

The Alberta recession of 2014 and following has meant a $13-billion increase in the federal government deficit in 2019 alone.

Canadian governments are simply not going to embrace an option that makes Canada significantly poorer in order that American LNG exports will replace Canadian exports. Even the most radical climate activist does not argue that Canada makes any meaningful difference to the global climate when China is funding more coal capacity in Africa than exists in all of Europe. It’s a moral argument and Canadians are sympathetic, but will not make themselves significantly poorer for the cause.

Thus resource development — which has been the Canadian economy from the beginning — will continue. If regulatory complexity, political uncertainty and Indigenous involvement make that too onerous for private companies, then the government will step in. The Trudeau Liberals already bought the Trans Mountain pipeline and this past week the Alberta government, invoking the ghost of Peter Lougheed, said that it, too, would buy resource developments. Whether that is a pipeline (Keystone XL comes to mind) or projects — Teck’s Frontier mine is just one of many projects that have been shelved — Alberta is getting back into the oil business.

If the risk becomes too high for private companies to undertake major energy projects, governments are the only ones who can provide guarantees or, in some cases, take equity positions. While there is a history of such decisions in the 1970s both federally and in Alberta, the more relevant example is the government rescue of the auto sector in 2008/2009. Canada was then following the United States, where the government took a 60 per cent stake in General Motors.

Which leads to the third development, which is that Indigenous equity in major energy projects will become the norm in future, supported by government funds. The federal Liberals are desperate to unload the TMX pipeline to an Indigenous consortium. It will be much harder for climate radicals in Burnaby to protest a pipeline owned by First Nations.

Last spring, one of the first things the new Alberta government did was to set up a $1-billion fund to fund Indigenous projects in the energy sector.

If energy projects in remote areas require Indigenous consultation and participation, why not go the whole way and get Indigenous ownership? It’s more than just good public relations, pitting Hollywood stars on private jets against local chiefs. It’s the facts on the ground.

The controversy over the Coastal GasLink and the hereditary chiefs made clear something that has long been obscured, namely that all large resource projects for many years now have had significant Indigenous support. A few hereditary chiefs may disagree, but usually a majority of the elected band councils are eager for the development. For Coastal Gas and the proposed Teck Frontier mine, the elected Indigenous support was unanimous.

There is no mystery why. In remote parts of Canada, there are either resource jobs or no jobs at all for Indigenous workers.Like non-Indigenous Canadians, when given the choice of poverty and welfare, or prosperity from good-paying jobs, Indigenous Canadians opt for the latter.

The federal government was meeting this week with the Wet’suwet’en hereditary chiefs to see if they could be placated. But in the end the federal government is obligated by law — the “honour of the Crown” is at stake as our courts put it — to defend the rights of the Indigenous band councils to develop the resources on their land.

Reconciliations means resource development. The federal government cannot side with climate protesters — nearly all of them urban, many from the United States — against our own Indigenous people.

After the dust — and flaming tires — settles on the blockades, the result will be Canadian governments more directly invested in the energy sector, and protecting the rights of Indigenous Canadians to do so.

nationalpost.com/opinion/raymond-de-souza-indigenous-reconciliation-requires-resource-development
 

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Vaughn Palmer: By the time the public learns what Fraser signed, it may be too late to do otherwise

Opinion: Reinforcing the impression that the parties had gotten nowhere on the pipeline was the federal minister, Carolyn Bennett.


VICTORIA — When the legislature convened Monday, there were mounting questions about the weekend agreement between the federal and provincial governments and five Wet’suwet’en hereditary chiefs.

One had to read almost to the end of Sunday’s joint statement to discover that the parties had even discussed the pipeline at the focus of weeks of protests and blockades.

“On Coastal GasLink project, the parties engaged in direct discussions and explored means to come to a resolution,” it read in part.

“All parties at the table recognize that the differences related to the CGL project remain.”

Reinforcing the impression that the parties had gotten nowhere on the pipeline was the federal minister, Carolyn Bennett.

“What was made clear is that it remains unresolved,” she told broadcaster Simi Sara during an early morning interview on CKNW radio. “The hereditary chiefs … still do not approve this project.”

Why didn’t federal and provincial negotiators secure Wet’suwet’en help in persuading the blockaders and protesters to stand down?

“I think the chiefs felt that it wasn’t their place to dictate to other Nations what to do,” replied Bennett.

But on the bright side: “For us to come together to be honest about where we are on these two separate issues, I think was truly important.”

What’s next for the pipeline standoff? “This is something that the parties in B.C. will deal with,” said Bennett before scurrying back to Ottawa where symbolic gestures trump actual on-the-ground progress every time.

Next to offer his take on the deal was Scott Fraser, B.C. minister of Indigenous Relations and Reconciliation. He said the main accomplishment from three days and three nights of talks was agreement on “a path forward” to deal with Indigenous rights and title.

The path still has to be ratified by the Wet’suwet’en people themselves.

In exchange for that measure of recognition, why didn’t governments negotiate a trade-off on the pipeline?

“This was not like collective bargaining,” Fraser told reporters. “It was about addressing issues, the key issue that we were asked to come to the territory for was to address rights and title issues.”

But then he added, briefly escaping the confines of his message box, “you could argue the elephant in the room (was) this Coastal GasLink project.”

Judging from postings from Wet’suwet’en representatives on social media Monday, the hereditary leaders haven’t budged in their opposition to the aforesaid pachyderm.

“The hereditary chiefs are opposed to any pipeline going through their territory,” said one. “We’re not resting, we’re not giving up, we’re not standing down, we’re not asking other people to stand down,” read another.

Against that backdrop, Premier John Horgan used his time during the afternoon Question Period to try to dispel any doubts about the future of the CGL pipeline.

“The project is being built. It’s fully permitted, and it will proceed … and will be completed,” said Horgan in answering questions from the Opposition B.C. Liberals.

The premier delivered a half-dozen variations on those assurances. But he also confirmed that the provincial and federal governments had not even tried to persuade the Wet’suwet’en hereditary chiefs to drop their opposition to the pipeline.

“I don’t believe it would have been appropriate for us to say that we were going to go to Wet’suwet’en territory and tell some individuals to have a different point of view,” said Horgan. “We had a frank discussion. There was disagreement. The project will proceed. Dissent is appropriate. Unlawful dissent is not.”

As he said this, the legislature was meeting with the public excluded from the public galleries for the fifth day in a row because of one of those protests.

Having learned that the deal said nothing about the pipeline and the protests, the Liberals tried to find out what it did say. But they were rebuffed by Fraser.

“The work that we did do was done in camera, it was confidential,” he replied. “This will be brought back to the Wet’suwet’en people. We can’t talk about the details of what we discussed until that happens.”

When will British Columbians learn what was initialled on their behalf?

Fraser described a ratification process stretching over a couple of weeks that includes bringing the Wet’suwet’en clans together and a ratification vote among all of the people.

“My hope is that they will endorse the arrangement,” he told the House. “My expectation is that following that, Minister Bennett and myself will return to the territory to sign the agreement. It will be made public at that point in time.”

At which point, the terms will be a fait accompli, as was the case with the recent caribou rescue plan. That plan was also negotiated in camera by the federal and provincial governments and Indigenous leaders.

In closing for the government side, Fraser pleaded for the deal to be given some breathing room to improve its chances of being approved by the Indigenous people.

“I ask everyone who is watching today, everyone who cares about rights and title for Wet’suwet’en people … We have a process that’s been agreed to by the Office of Wet’suwet’en, and they’re taking it to their people. Let’s let that happen and not try to divide everybody throughout this process. Let’s bring calm and space for the good work to happen.”

Trust us in other words. And by the time the public learns what he signed, it may be too late to do otherwise.

vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/vaughn-palmer-by-the-time-the-public-learns-what-fraser-signed-it-may-be-too-late-to-do-otherwise


So after 3 days and nights of chats with the hold-outs, 'a path forward' whatever the hell that means is the only outcome? Meanwhile, other Indigenous voices are speaking up about not being allowed at the table and have no idea whether or not they will be at the 'feast'. So much for respect and inclusion, eh.