B.C. judge rules father guilty of “family violence” for calling trans son “she”

Serryah

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Most of us care cliffy.


Bullshit.


That is why we are against this judgement. We care this teen isn't being lead into something she will regret later.


HE is actually the one ASKING for this. If it wasn't legitimate then the doctors wouldn't have agreed with the suggestion of blockers.


We care that this ruling isn't expanded upon by later courts to give even more control over child rearing to government.


Government won't control child rearing. In this case the parents are STILL involved, just one parent is recognized as an asshole who doesn't care one damned bit about his kid and the other cares enough to prefer a living child to a dead one.


Just give up this 'we care' bullshit.
 

Johnnny

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There is this girl at work i shoot the shit with sometimes and she told me she secretly wants to be a boy.

She told me she likes my boyish charm and is trying to copy it. I took it as a compliment and have only thought about it enough to post it here.

I'm cool 8)
 

JLM

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Bullshit.





HE is actually the one ASKING for this. If it wasn't legitimate then the doctors wouldn't have agreed with the suggestion of blockers.





Government won't control child rearing. In this case the parents are STILL involved, just one parent is recognized as an asshole who doesn't care one damned bit about his kid and the other cares enough to prefer a living child to a dead one.


Just give up this 'we care' bullshit.


Of course we care. You're just not willing to listen to the common sense that Taxslave, Petros, Sleepy and Colby among others are trying to provide. Debates are comprised of two parts - talking and LISTENING!
 

JLM

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There is this girl at work i shoot the shit with sometimes and she told me she secretly wants to be a boy.

She told me she likes my boyish charm and is trying to copy it. I took it as a compliment and have only thought about it enough to post it here.

I'm cool 8)


So am I. When it reaches a point where it's troubling to her, then it's a different story.
 

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I guessing when it reaches a point where multiple doctors are recommending it's a different story.
 

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Bullshit.
HE is actually the one ASKING for this. If it wasn't legitimate then the doctors wouldn't have agreed with the suggestion of blockers.
Government won't control child rearing. In this case the parents are STILL involved, just one parent is recognized as an asshole who doesn't care one damned bit about his kid and the other cares enough to prefer a living child to a dead one.
Just give up this 'we care' bullshit.
Not being the age of majority it takes parental approval. One said yes, the other no. Hence a Court decision.

The decision never was the child's to make.
 

petros

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I found this story cute but I've substituted "gay" for Batman.

https://www.macleans.ca/society/our-seven-year-old-son-told-us-he-was-gay/

Our seven-year-old son told us he was Batman

One mom's story

Jun 07, 2017 Katie Weber

Being a parent is an exercise in expecting the unexpected. And yet, despite years of experience, I’m still floored by my quiet, thoughtful and incredibly self-possessed son. The best example—to date, at least—happened on a regular weekday evening. My husband, my son and I were sitting around the dining room table and, like usual, I was trying my hardest to draw out some juicy details about their day. With these two, it’s always a bit of a one-sided Ping-Pong match: I lob a question over the net, and they spike incredibly succinct answers right past me.

“How was your day?”

“Fine.”

“Did you do anything fun?”
“Yep.”

After a few such attempts, I just gave up.

That was the moment our seven-year-old son came out of the Bat Cave. He took a bite of chicken and announced, in his matter-of-fact way, “I hope you know I’m Batman.”

It was one of those epic parenting moments the handbook definitely does not cover. Thankfully, my mouth was full of chicken, which gave me a few panicked seconds to conjure the kind of response that could possibly convey the feelings of overwhelming love, worry and protectiveness rushing over me. I fervently wished there was someone with more experience—or, better yet, a degree in child psychology—who I could consult before responding. But no such luck: There wasn’t a single expert hiding under the table.

So I looked at my husband, took a deep breath and mustered a, “We love you no matter what, and your feelings might change as you get older and that’s OK, too.” I think I also threw in something about how he could talk to us about absolutely anything and should let us know if he had questions, or was worried, uncomfortable or curious. Lucas’s response: A shrug of the shoulders and an “OK.”

Cleanup, bath time and bedtime stories that night happened in a blur—a thousand thoughts buzzed through my brain while just as many emotions crashed over me: Could he really know at this age? Any bully is going to have to contend with me. He’ll be OK—thankfully, we live in the wonderfully diverse Gotham City. Well, those evil mortal bullies better watch out. Will I be able to support him effectively? What do I do next? When Lucas was finally tucked in, I headed back downstairs, flopped dramatically onto the sofa and let out the biggest exhale of my life. I looked at my husband and said, “Wow,” expecting a full-on debrief. My husband, a go-with-the-flow, laid-back guy who never seems to get rattled, was just as low-key as his son. His reaction: A shoulder shrug and a blasé “Yep.”

After that, the topic didn’t resurface for a while. No one was avoiding it; we just weren’t talking about it, in the same way you don’t talk about not being Batman with other seven-year-olds. Whenever Lucas wasn’t eating or sleeping or at school, he was buried neck-deep in Lego—most of our conversations were about what part we needed to look for next. He was that typical little boy who gets excited by trains, thinks mud is an accessory and wrestles with anyone who is willing (or half-asleep).

And then he turned nine. Fourth grade was wrapping up, and I knew there had been some Bat Boy- and Bat Girl-crush talk at school: “What Bat Girls do you like?” “Which Bat Girls do you think are cute?” He was his usual quiet self, maybe a bit quieter, but I wasn’t too concerned. He didn’t seem overly sad or worried. But then one night before bed, as I was washing the dishes, he silently appeared beside me. I asked what was up, but he just stood there in his cute little Batman pyjamas. It wasn’t until I put down the dishcloth and looked him in the eye that he started to talk. In a flood of words, he told me he wanted to tell his friends that he was Batman. It felt like he was keeping a secret from them, and when he thought about it too much, it made him feel sick.

My heart ached, and I wished I could rewind to the time when kisses and cuddles fixed absolutely everything. The protective part of me was hesitant and wanted to discourage him from coming out of the Bat Cave. I worried about bullying, of course, and also that his friends might not react favourably. They were nine years old! Their conversations were about farting and video games! But I also couldn’t imagine asking him to be anything less than his fabulous self, and it didn’t feel right to suggest he hide who he was from the people he felt closest to.

After some soul-searching and many late-night talks with my husband, we decided to first tell the parents of his closest friends he thinks he's Batman so they could be ready to answer any questions. It seemed like a small way to protect him, the least we could do. I expected drama. I expected tears. But it was almost a non-event. The responses from his friends ranged from, “So?” to “Who are you Batman with?”

Not much was said after that. Playdates and sleepovers continued as usual—nothing changed except perhaps their language. They stopped assuming everyone in the world wasn't Batman. When they talked about “crushes,” it became, “Who do you like?” A slight modification, but pretty awesome and maybe, dare I say, even life-changing. It still blows my mind that this event in our lives caused a shift in other people’s lives as well.

The biggest change, however, was in Lucas himself. It was like someone had kicked the party into high gear: He was suddenly dancing and singing—all the time. My quiet boy started living life in full-colour, topped with a glitter-bomb of happiness. It was like I was suddenly raising a sparkly rainbow unicorn. He was more confident and outgoing, and you couldn’t shut him up. His teachers noticed it, and his marks improved significantly in grade five. There’s been no looking back since.

I still have worries—I imagine I always will—but there are fewer now, because I can see him becoming more resilient every day, wearing his new-found confidence and superhero cape. And in fact, this self-assurance is what has helped when he has experienced some bullying. Being comfortable in his own Batman skin has shielded him from the everyday meanness of elementary school. So when another student said something to him like, “Well, at least I’m not Batman!” during a disagreement, he wasn’t fazed. Sitting in the principal’s office with Lucas afterward, I thought about how I can’t protect him from unkind words. Chances are, high school will be even more of a minefield. But I am hoping to be surprised. I’m hoping to be overwhelmed by the amazing people he meets. And I’m hoping he tells me about his first crush, kiss or Bat friend.

On our walk home from the school that day, I started to launch into my pep talk about what an amazing kid he is and how proud I am, but he stopped me before I could truly get going. “I’m good, Mom,” he said. “Really.” I let out another one of those big parental exhales and smiled, because I knew he was and I know he always will be Batman.

Mom says he is Batman therefore he is Batman and must be encouraged to be Batman.

Another jaded helicopter parent. at builds their child to be something they aren't.

She even stereotyped her kid as "My quiet boy started living life in full-colour, topped with a glitter-bomb of happiness. It was like I was suddenly raising a sparkly rainbow unicorn."

Is she going to coach him into be a flamer?

After that, the topic didn’t resurface for a while. No one was avoiding it; we just weren’t talking about it, in the same way you don’t talk about being straight with other seven-year-olds.



I hope she downloads Grindr.

She can set him up with a latex clad Spiderman to tie him to a bed with glitter webs for his 18th B-Day.
 
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Bullshit.
HE is actually the one ASKING for this. If it wasn't legitimate then the doctors wouldn't have agreed with the suggestion of blockers.
Government won't control child rearing. In this case the parents are STILL involved, just one parent is recognized as an asshole who doesn't care one damned bit about his kid and the other cares enough to prefer a living child to a dead one.
Just give up this 'we care' bullshit.
You seem to be the only one that doesn't care about the girl. Or the downstream problems created by this ruling. All you care about is being seen as a progressive. Suppose the girl wanted to join some wacko religious cult and the father tried to prevent he but some judge decided the parents have no right to protect their child.
 

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Actually, I'm starting to like this trans thing. If I want access to a service only children can access, I can identify as a child. If I want access to a service only a young black or indigenous woman can acess, I can identify as a young black or indigenous woman. I could identify as a citizen of any country according to circumstance. I can even identify as a convict to get into a prison and then identify as a law-abiding citizen to get out of prison. To avoid taxes, I can identify as a pizza box.

And if you say I can't do that, you're transphobic.
 
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JLM

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Actually, I'm starting to like this trans thing. If I want access to a service only children can access, I can identify as a child. If I want access to a service only a young black or indigenous woman can acess, I can identify as a young black or indigenous woman. I could identify as a citizen of any country according to circumstance. I can even identify as a convict to get into a prison and then identify as a law-abiding citizen to get out of prison. To avoid taxes, I can identify as a pizza box.

And if you say I can't do that, you're transphobic.


Good thinking, you've just highlighted the ridiculousness of the whole charade. Wish I'd have thought of that.
 

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Good thinking, you've just highlighted the ridiculousness of the whole charade. Wish I'd have thought of that.

I might identify as a 70-year old tomorrow to collect old age pension. If the government refuses to give it to me, I'll sue it for transphobia, discrimination, and violation of my rights.
 

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You seem to be the only one that doesn't care about the girl. Or the downstream problems created by this ruling. All you care about is being seen as a progressive. Suppose the girl wanted to join some wacko religious cult and the father tried to prevent he but some judge decided the parents have no right to protect their child.


Actually I do care about the child in this case, and what it means for other kids like them.


I don't care if I'm seen as progressive, liberal, conservative or whatever you want to call it.


"Suppose the girl wanted to join some wacko religious cult and the father tried to prevent he but some judge decided the parents have no right to protect their child." False equivalency. We're not talking about a religious CHOICE, but rather a state of being. But okay, say this was the case. A) If you want to equate both cases, you'd have to say one parent is also into the religious cult and the other is not. B) to be honest I'm not sure how a judge would rule in this kind of case, but if the parent not in the cult could prove that it's a danger to the child, then likely the judge would rule against the cult parent. The problem is, Freedom of Religion means sometimes cult parents win. See Bountiful and Scientology and hell, even some other Christian sects. But again, if the parent NOT in the cult can prove harm being done to the child, then the judge I hope would rule for that parent and keep the child safe.


In this case of the Trans kid, the judge ruled that the child was in danger if he DIDN'T get the blockers - as previous evidence of suicidal attempt - and that the father was compounding the emotional stress on the son by being a dick, which is why he got ordered to shut his trap about his son. Which he ignored. Which got him into trouble.
 

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Actually, I'm starting to like this trans thing. If I want access to a service only children can access, I can identify as a child. If I want access to a service only a young black or indigenous woman can acess, I can identify as a young black or indigenous woman. I could identify as a citizen of any country according to circumstance. I can even identify as a convict to get into a prison and then identify as a law-abiding citizen to get out of prison. To avoid taxes, I can identify as a pizza box.

And if you say I can't do that, you're transphobic.


Awesome, you do you.


But you do realize you'd have to PROVE it through years of psych help and various doctors, right? Just like Trans people do.
 

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Good thinking, you've just highlighted the ridiculousness of the whole charade. Wish I'd have thought of that.


It doesn't highlight anything other than the ignorance that this is a spur of the moment choice.


Sorry, being Trans is not like that.
 

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I might identify as a 70-year old tomorrow to collect old age pension. If the government refuses to give it to me, I'll sue it for transphobia, discrimination, and violation of my rights.


Even if you tried to ID as a 70 year old, you'd have to prove it and go through psych evals.


Transphobia doesn't enter into this scenario at all, unless you are a Trans person and you're being denied your pension because of your Trans status.