Automakers Bailout

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Windsor, Ontario will soon be having a large sale on repoed houses due the shipping of American factories home.
I am not crying for Windsor. $32.00/hr for sweeping floors. True.
 

#juan

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Juan, You are right on and I'm seeing the adds. The funny thing is these blow out
prices (factor in the exchange) are STILL way overpriced than our southern
neighbors would have been paying months ago before the panic...thanks but no
thanks, Big 3!!!!

Hi Ron

I have a niece in Calgary who's husband just bought the big, GM 5.3 L V8, four door, FWD pickup and it has two gas tanks. To fill just one tank when we were there about a month ago cost over a hundred dollars. Probably costs a measurable amount just to haul fuel around...........;-)
 

Risus

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Windsor, Ontario will soon be having a large sale on repoed houses due the shipping of American factories home.
I am not crying for Windsor. $32.00/hr for sweeping floors. True.

Blame the unions for the outrageous salaries....
 

Risus

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Hi Ron

I have a niece in Calgary who's husband just bought the big, GM 5.3 L V8, four door, FWD pickup and it has two gas tanks. To fill just one tank when we were there about a month ago cost over a hundred dollars. Probably costs a measurable amount just to haul fuel around...........;-)

And whats wrong with his choice of vehicle? Especially if he can afford to buy and operate it...
 

Nuggler

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I'm listening to the Auto makers being questioned by congressional comittee, the answers are to die for. These specimins can speel for hours and not reveal one complete pertinent sentence. It really is worth watching if you like shock humour.
They should be thrown out on their arses and arrested after a good beating by citizens.


8O...........Yepper. What'lya bet that ain't gonna happen.

Too bad, eh.

I value my ol TV too much to watch that. Would probably put a brick through it....:angry3:
 

Nuggler

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Juan: The last car my mum ever owned was a Datsun 4door model. She drove it a few years, gave up her licence, and we drove it a few more. Good car. Motor was still whirrin when it rusted out..........

Nissan has gotten a bit too fancy, and way expensive.

I liked the old econo-boxes. cheapskate what I be.

8O
 

Socrates the Greek

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Given the fact that the US 3 Auto Makers did a dismal job in providing useful and reliable automobiles for North America, the Oil companies should be the source for bailing out manufacturing gas gasslers…..
60% of the people drive foreign automobiles because of two reasons, fuel efficiency and low cost of maintenance, both good for the consumer…
Both Canadian and American build automobiles have recalls after recalls, while the value drops every time there is a recall……..Bad for the Consumer….. No the Government should stay out of using tax payer’s money to help automobile companies who have repeatedly produced bad product…
 

lone wolf

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Any industry who would weigh the cost of litigations over the costs of redesigning a rear end or a gas tank doesn't give a damn for the public. Why should it have access to the public teat?
 

Ron in Regina

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Hi Ron

I have a niece in Calgary who's husband just bought the big, GM 5.3 L V8, four door, FWD pickup and it has two gas tanks. To fill just one tank when we were there about a month ago cost over a hundred dollars. Probably costs a measurable amount just to haul fuel around...........;-)

I have an Employer who bought an eight month old (really low miles) Cadillac CTS in
North Dakota in the spring for about $25,000 less than the best price he could find in
Western Canada. He could sell that vehicle tomorrow if he wanted to, after driving it
for the last six months here in Canada, for less than any lot, and recover his original
cost and still pocket an extra $10,000 and somebody would still be getting a great deal
compared to the discount prices we're now seeing. That's just wrong...

Good for him, but still very wrong on the part of GM and its Dealers here in Canada.
 

talloola

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They should never. Let them solve their self-creation.

I would support the bailout 'if' there were many 'clauses', that stipulated that the workers
would be protected, so that the business operated, and the trickle effect of bankrupsy would not put all of the spinoff workers and small business owners out on the street,and that the top brass become very humble, it is not the unions fault,
they negotiate in good faith, and have made adjustments, it is the greed of the owners
who want huge profits, greed, greed, greed, and the inability to be flexible in the past,
and insisted on building those ridiculous vehicles that we see on the road today, and now,
are not worth a plugged nickel.
Those owners had NO vision at all, I could have run that business much better, as I have
common sense and I am a fair person, and don't have a greedy bone in my body, and that
really is all it would have needed.
 

darkbeaver

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Wasn't it priceless when the congressman asked all of them, (sitting in a row), to raise
their hand, if they are
going to immediately sell their corporate jet while they are here, and take a commercial
flight back to detroit.
Not one hand was raised.
I think they actually live in a world, not at all connected to reality, where they think their
jet is necessary, just like our car is to us.
They have all been dunked in lavishness and money for so long, they don't have a clue
how the real world lives., they think they are 'it'.
Find some 'real' people to replace them, who have actually worked for a living, and do
connect to the real world.

Those real genuine people are as a matter of capitalist policy booted out of the way of profit which to the capitalist is the same as progress, ethics and morals. So what the revolution wants is those self same experianced integrated experts who still belong to the community of mankind rather than the miserable selection of thieves and liars we have saddled ourselves with.
My only argument with your post is just this, those ones know exactly how the real world lives talloola their brutal extractive instincts and long practiced habits enable the shameless exploitation of all others. As a general rule the farther up the ladder they are the less likely they'll be bothered by inefficiencys like conscience.
 

scratch

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This industry has been slowly going down the toilet for many years, they didn't seem
to 'get it', their auto sales have constantly dimished, they kept building those
big gas guzzlers, and trying to flog the domestic vehicle on the public, when it
was quite obvious the japanese had far surpassed their quality, and lengevity,
and they could have made big adjustments long long ago, now they are crying,
seems they are taking advantage of the present situation, BUT, maybe they have
to be helped, as we should look past them to the millions who will be out of work
and out of business, if they completely fail, the big CEOs will find other work, and
they will take their huge buy out packages, but the regular worker and small auto business
parts companies, and auto sales lots will take the fall and suffer the most.

These BAILOUTS must stop. It has become the fashion these days. I know many people on our Motor City who are the greediest batards on the face of the earth and they are not the owners of the car companies but the union members and their leaders.
More, more, more pay less hours, higher wages to make a pathetic product.
More than one company has been forced out of Windsor because of union greed and more will face the same.
Their problem is a greedy snake of a `man` Buzz Hargrove who decides along with the UAW when the iron is hot to strike.
Justify a floor sweeper making $32.00/hr.

Justify an individual who drives bus with no more than a grade eight education and pulls down $80,000yr. It is the owners and buyers being held hostage by these blood-suckers. Their problem. They find a solution.

In and around the Toronto area there are large Honda and Toyota plants and they do not have these problems. Why?

Let the big three die and all those who chose to go on the `screw` the owners and public ride.

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#juan

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What is really sad, is that Ford, GM, and Chrysler, used to build decent cars. I once had a 1947 Plymouth sedan, a four door. I drove the hell out of that car for a few years and sold it for exactly what I paid for it. For contrast, the year I got married, I bought a new 1966 Plymouth Valiant. That car was such an unreliable pig that I got rid of in six months.
 
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