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[JLM]

Can anyone prove their own existence?

Try not paying your income tax! -

 

[Blackleaf]

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

Can anyone prove their own existence?
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Yep. Descartes famously said: "I think, therefore I am."

The self definitely exists, otherwise you wouldn't be around to think.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

When the unravelling of the Human Genome Code was announced to the world, Clinton rightly hailed it as the discovery of the language of the Creator.

So, you think that Bill Clinton expressing belief in a creator is evidence of a creator?

How 'bout "I did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky?" Believe that too?

 

[Blackleaf]

So, you think that Bill Clinton expressing belief in a creator is evidence of a creator?

How 'bout "I did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky?" Believe that too?

No. I said that the human genome code is evidence of the creator.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

No. I said that the human genome code is evidence of the creator.

I'm sure it is, to the weak and credulous.

 

[Twila]

Just because somebody wrote it don't make it true.

Well now I don't know if I can believe what you've written....

 

[Blackleaf]

I'm sure it is, to the weak and credulous.

Yeah. Of course. And yet YOU believe that this complex code, probably the most complex code in the universe known to mankind, was created by nature.

Just whose belief is sillier here?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Well now I don't know if I can believe what you've written....

Precisely. "This statement is a lie."

Yeah. Of course. And yet YOU believe that this complex code, probably the most complex code in the universe known to mankind, was created by nature.

Just whose belief is sillier here?

I have to say the one that involves a beardy old bastard sitting on a cloud being terribly worried if you masturbate.

 

[Blackleaf]

I have to say the one that involves a beardy old bastard sitting on a cloud being terribly worried if you masturbate.

Nature doesn't even produce straight lines. Yet you think it has come up with the most complex code in the universe known to Man.

Your belief is the sillier.

 

[Twila]

Nature doesn't even produce straight lines. Yet you think it has come up with the most complex code in the universe known to Man.

Your belief is the sillier.

The information in DNA is the result of natural selection acting upon random mutations.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

You would say that.

That's because it's true. Your position is essentially the Argument from Incredulity: you can't understand how this could have happened without divine intervention, therefore there was divine intervention. Not much of an argument. Neither are Aquinas' five proofs, they're easily disposed of, as is C. S. Lewis, whose argument in Mere Christianity is just the Begging the Question fallacy.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Nature doesn't even produce straight lines.

A beam of light isn't a straight line?

 

[Blackleaf]

That's because it's true. Your position is essentially the Argument from Incredulity: you can't understand how this could have happened without divine intervention, therefore there was divine intervention. Not much of an argument. Neither are Aquinas' five proofs, they're easily disposed of, as is C. S. Lewis, whose argument in Mere Christianity is just the Begging the Question fallacy.

And your argument is that the Human Genome Code was created by nature, when the odds of that being the case must be mind-boggling.

A beam of light isn't a straight line?

No. Light doesn't travel in straight lines. Not in air, anyway.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Tough Crowd on the forum today.

T-Bones, Your thoughts here spring from UNBELIEF. Unbelief is an ailment. A monstrous affliction of the spirit. Something more than religion is needed. Faith is the cure. Understand that I know I am speaking to a brick wall. Such is the way of UNBELIEF. Yet.....there is hope. Ladies and Gentlemen, if only we would follow the directions. Try this & see where it gets you. Keep in mind this isn't the McDonald's drive thru. Some patience may be in order.

Because you say so? Sorry, don't wash.

Confess a sin to God. Pick one & confess it to God. Maybe you need to confess that you do not even believe there is such a thing as sin. Call it a "shortcoming" or human error or whatever else the current wind approves. I know acknowledging our "shortcomings" as sin is all out of fashion these days. Give it a try anyway.

Been there, done that. Provides no evidence of a god.

 

[Twila]

If an intelligent creator created all of the complexity that we see today because complexity requires intelligence to create it then who created the intelligent creator?

The creator could not spring into existence if complexity requires intelligence.

 

[petros]

I think therefore I am?

You could think you and everyone else exists but can you prove your thoughts exist in a physical realm?

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Unbelief is an ailment. A monstrous affliction of the spirit.

No, it's the other way around, religious belief is a delusion.

 

[petros]

If an intelligent creator created all of the complexity that we see today because complexity requires intelligence to create it then who created the intelligent creator?

The creator could not spring into existence if complexity requires intelligence.

Many a great mind has gone loopy trying to simply grasp infinity.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Many a great mind has gone loopy trying to simply grasp infinity.

Any examples?

 

[petros]

No, it's the other way around, religious belief is a delusion.

Are you sure your existence isn't a delusion?

Any examples?

Cantor.