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[Twila]

When it comes down to it I do not care (translation - I do not give a fiddlers Fuk) what a persons beliefs are- Religious- Atheist- Agnostic- I mean really.
It is only the few that are extreme in their beliefs,only a few of those. We have Atheists that are just as strident in their belief as a Fundie from Westboro Church. Not much difference.
I do find that some take great pleasure in assigning all those with religious beliefs into one little box.
The comments are in all the threads- If you are a Christian, ya must be a Fundie- Same with Judaism, Islam and others.
Some people should think about the one size fits all bit that they subscribe to.

Bout as polite as I can be.

I'm with you on that. I don't see anyone's beliefs as being a threat to my own, and I try very hard to not be intentionally disrespectful.

I believe you can tell what is in someones heart by what/how they ask/how they answer. This can be independent of what they say they're meaning. Sometimes even in written form its' easy to tell.

I don't think you'll find me disrespectful. I have many more questions than answers simply because I don't know anything about our destiny. We agree that man is the most intelligent 'concrete' inhabitant on the planet, but what I have a problem with is all the processes that are much more intricate than anything man could have planned. Getting back to "souls" whatever that is I can accept that man has a soul, but what about a dog or a cat? But then you get down to reptiles and mosquitoes..................do they really have 'souls'? I can't see it myself. Then we get back to why are we here? We don't feed any other species (unless by misfortune), while most other species provide food for someone/thing.

JLM, I have found you to be, so far, very respectful. I just wanted you to know you are more than welcome to ask whatever questions you have of me.

Maybe there is a level of intelligence required before something has a soul. Maybe some insects and "lesser" creatures are too rudimentary, like carnivorous plants and have no brain, no psyche, no soul, no spirit.

The why are we here one can do your head in. There maybe no reason why we are here. It might be that we just are.

 

[JLM]

There maybe no reason why we are here. It might be that we just are.

That's where I run into problems, the workings of the human body and all the mechanisms to ensure longevity are just too intricate to believe "we just are". When you've been critically ill and I think Cliffy will concur you get to find out of a lot things about when there are failings in the body other mechanisms take over to sustain life. (Now of course if you abuse yourself indefinitely there will come a day when nothing will save you) And then knowledge and instincts inherent in birds and fish etc. are a whole other topic, where I'm sure there's a purpose.

 

[Twila]

That's where I run into problems, the workings of the human body and all the mechanisms to ensure longevity are just too intricate to believe "we just are". When you've been critically ill and I think Cliffy will concur you get to find out of a lot things about when there are failings in the body other mechanisms take over to sustain life. (Now of course if you abuse yourself indefinitely there will come a day when nothing will save you) And then knowledge and instincts inherent in birds and fish etc. are a whole other topic, where I'm sure there's a purpose.

I had an aunt who at 93 told her care givers she'd had enough. She stopped eating, stopped drinking, stopped living shortly after. She choose to die. Some people choose to live beyond what is expected. Some expect to live beyond what is possible.

My father served in the Navy in the far east would tell stories of people who'd been shot multiple times and who had their intestines in their hands say they had to go home. They were on the verge of death but shock made them seek comfort. The brain has a way of lying to itself. To protect itself. We are still learning what the brain is capable of.

There are many things that happen that we don't understand. I, personally, see no reason to attribute it to anything other than "we just don't know YET". I think man is a very arrogant creature. I feel we like to believe our value is so great that we make reasons for it to be this way.

 

[DaSleeper]

I had an aunt who at 93 told her care givers she'd had enough. She stopped eating, stopped drinking, stopped living shortly after. She choose to die. Some people choose to live beyond what is expected. Some expect to live beyond what is possible.

My father served in the Navy in the far east would tell stories of people who'd been shot multiple times and who had their intestines in their hands say they had to go home. They were on the verge of death but shock made them seek comfort. The brain has a way of lying to itself. To protect itself. We are still learning what the brain is capable of.

There are many things that happen that we don't understand. I, personally, see no reason to attribute it to anything other than "we just don't know YET". I think man is a very arrogant creature. I feel we like to believe our value is so great that we make reasons for it to be this way.

And would you attribute that opinion to everyone including atheists or just to deists?

 

[Twila]

And would you attribute that opinion to everyone including atheists or just to deists?

The arrogance part? to all of mankind. The opinion? is strictly mine.

 

[WLDB]

I dont believe in souls for the same reason I dont believe in gods - there is no concrete evidence to support it.

 

[Sal]

I dont believe in souls for the same reason I dont believe in gods - there is no concrete evidence to support it.

and me, I do believe in souls because there is not evidence to support that there is not... we're all good.

 

[JLM]

and me, I do believe in souls because there is not evidence to support that there is not... we're all good.

I'm not sure if anyone is interested in my take on it (and I'm not 100% sure it's valid) but it goes like this. I look at life as I do one of the vast number of stations on the C.P.R. line across Canada. This life is like one of the stops at a station before we move on. Sound like a sensible analogy?

 

[Sal]

I'm not sure if anyone is interested in my take on it (and I'm not 100% sure it's valid) but it goes like this. I look at life as I do one of the vast number of stations on the C.P.R. line across Canada. This life is like one of the stops at a station before we move on. Sound like a sensible analogy?

it sounds like a sensible analogy only if one embraces that type of belief... I happen to agree with you... three more lives and I'm done...but it could just as well be an illusion or a delusion...if so, I am okay with that too...maybe there is nothing... but I draw comfort everyday from my belief in my guide and what he tells me... maybe it is just my higher consciousness kicking in...but he has never ever been wrong when he predicts the future or directs me... that may well be another's definition of insanity and I am okay with that too...so far, life has worked out well.

for me it's black and white....it works or it doesn't...

 

[Twila]

I'm not sure if anyone is interested in my take on it (and I'm not 100% sure it's valid) but it goes like this. I look at life as I do one of the vast number of stations on the C.P.R. line across Canada. This life is like one of the stops at a station before we move on. Sound like a sensible analogy?

I'm interested.

Have you read anything about the multi-verse? There is some interesting thoughts pertaining to it.

Big Bang Discovery Opens Doors to the "Multiverse"

combine the multi-verse with entaglement theory and you have very mental, very interesting possibilities.

 

[JLM]

I'm interested.

Have you read anything about the multi-verse? There is some interesting thoughts pertaining to it.

Big Bang Discovery Opens Doors to the "Multiverse"

combine the multi-verse with entaglement theory and you have very mental, very interesting possibilities.

No I haven't, did read a lot of stuff about/by Edgar Cayce many years ago, an amazing man in his day.

it sounds like a sensible analogy only if one embraces that type of belief... I happen to agree with you... ...

Well, there you go, we have the answer! -)

 

[Sal]

No I haven't, did read a lot of stuff about/by Edgar Cayce many years ago, an amazing man in his day.




Well, there you go, we have the answer! -)

weeeeeeeeeeeeell not exactly...:lol: I have the answer that I am comfortable with only because it has proven time and time again to work positively in my life...should that change, I would be altering my belief... I'm fickle that way

 

[JLM]

weeeeeeeeeeeeell not exactly...:lol: I have the answer that I am comfortable with only because it has proven time and time again to work positively in my life...should that change, I would be altering my belief... I'm fickle that way

Aw come on, the fact it coincides with my belief pretty well clinches it........don't you think? -

 

[Sal]

Aw come on, the fact it coincides with my belief pretty well clinches it........don't you think? -

lol.............sure... :lol: :thumbright:

 

[Nick Danger]

"I don't know" is an admission a lot of people have great difficulty with. I think it is a very human trait to wish to assign purpose or structure to everything we encounter, to pigeonhole everything into its place in the grand scheme, to understand. It is a strangely liberating step to accept that there are mysteries currently beyond our understanding. On the same token, I tend to paint hard-line atheists with the same brush I'd use on unshakable "believers", it just doesn't make sense to me to take such a solid position on something for which there is no definitive proof one way or the other. An agnostic position feels much more in tune with reality.

 

[talloola]

"I don't know" is an admission a lot of people have great difficulty with. I think it is a very human trait to wish to assign purpose or structure to everything we encounter, to pigeonhole everything into its place in the grand scheme, to understand. It is a strangely liberating step to accept that there are mysteries currently beyond our understanding. On the same token, I tend to paint hard-line atheists with the same brush I'd use on unshakable "believers", it just doesn't make sense to me to take such a solid position on something for which there is no definitive proof one way or the other. An agnostic position feels much more in tune with reality.

yes, i guess what you explain makes everything seem so simple, but i would think the majority of people who
are real believers could never settle on the 'i don't know', idea, just as i, who is a non believer
can't settle on the 'i don't know' idea either. that just doesn't feel comfortable, it would be saying
something that isn't true in my heart.
the believers have definite statements that, for them make believing right, and i, on the other side,
also have definite thoughts that satisfy my non belief, so just saying 'i don't know' seems like a
refusal to make a decision.

 

[Twila]

No I haven't, did read a lot of stuff about/by Edgar Cayce many years ago, an amazing man in his day.

What's your take on psychics? Do you believe they can predict?

 

[darkbeaver]

I'm interested.

Have you read anything about the multi-verse? There is some interesting thoughts pertaining to it.

Big Bang Discovery Opens Doors to the "Multiverse"

combine the multi-verse with entaglement theory and you have very mental, very interesting possibilities.

I was strolling throught the thread and happened upon this interesting question which I hope I can contribute a enriching comment to. In my estimation the idea of the multiverse is truly and irreconcilably insane it's called a universe for one reason (UNI-one, singular, alone). It dosn't matter how many universes the daft straight jacketed math coneheads suggest the Big Bang won't work in any of them.

National Geographic, if you'll excuse me, is not fit for bird cages. There never was any gravitational waves ever detected. There's no such thing as an expanding universe and it couldn't expand into a concept (time) if there were.

I'm not sure if anyone is interested in my take on it (and I'm not 100% sure it's valid) but it goes like this. I look at life as I do one of the vast number of stations on the C.P.R. line across Canada. This life is like one of the stops at a station before we move on. Sound like a sensible analogy?

The old guys say seven as in (lucky seven) (seven veils) (seven natural demons) at sixes and sevens. Seven stops on that line before you go home to the lake.

 

[Twila]

I was strolling throught the thread and happened upon this interesting question which I hope I can contribute a enriching comment to. In my estimation the idea of the multiverse is truly and irreconcilably insane it's called a universe for one reason (UNI-one, singular, alone). It dosn't matter how many universes the daft straight jacketed math coneheads suggest the Big Bang won't work in any of them.

Thanks for responding, DB. At the time it was called the universe they believed there was only one. Will you tell me what about this makes you believe there is only 1 universe (other than the name )

Slighly related...I found it interesting when they discovered the gravitational waves from the big bang. My brain can't fully wrap itself around the implications. So my understanding of space, time, gravitational waves etc actually causes a spinning sensation in my head. They say it could potentially point the way toward new theories of physics.

Would you take it as fact or possibility if I linked to an article in Nature magazine?

Gravity Waves from Big Bang Detected - Scientific American

 

[darkbeaver]

What's your take on psychics? Do you believe they can predict?

Yes some can and that is a matter of carefully conducted experimentation by science. You might google Rupert Sheldrake and check out morphic fields.

Thanks for responding, DB. At the time it was called the universe they believed there was only one. Will you tell me what about this makes you believe there is only 1 universe (other than the name )

Slighly related...I found it interesting when they discovered the gravitational waves from the big bang. My brain can't fully wrap itself around the implications. So my understanding of space, time, gravitational waves etc actually causes a spinning sensation in my head. They say it could potentially point the way toward new theories of physics.

Would you take it as fact or possibility if I linked to an article in Nature magazine?

Gravity Waves from Big Bang Detected - Scientific American

Nope. The multiverse idea sprang from the inability to account for the mass in the universe under the current popular theory based on the big bang religion which was first cobbled together by a French priest trying to preserve the one creator god, consequently we have black holes, dark matter, dark energy, dark gravity and on and on simply because the establishment refuses to advance into the sound and demonstratable electric universe in which all the mass and energy is accounted for, modern establishment physics and cosmology is in a terrible mess. Money rules that end of science. The big bang has been falsified long ago but still the money pump keeps running on. A mainstream magazine dares not balk at reporting the company line.