Are these actions war crimes?

[CDNBear]

Feel free to cite your own examples but really it shouldn't make any difference who does these things for it to be a war crime should it unless you subscribe to Orwell's theory of Moral Relativity:

Orwell: All nationalists have the power of not seeing resemblances between similar sets of facts. A British Tory will defend self-determination in Europe and oppose it in India with no feeling of inconsistency. Actions are held to be good or bad, not on their own merits, but according to who does them, and there is almost no kind of outrage — torture, the use of hostages, forced labour, mass deportations, imprisonment without trial, forgery, assassination, the bombing of civilians — which does not change its moral colour when it is committed by ‘our’ side. The Liberal News Chronicle published, as an example of shocking barbarity, photographs of Russians hanged by the Germans, and then a year or two later published with warm approval almost exactly similar photographs of Germans hanged by the Russians(5). It is the same with historical events. History is thought of largely in nationalist terms, and such things as the Inquisition, the tortures of the Star Chamber, the exploits of the English buccaneers (Sir Francis Drake, for instance, who was given to sinking Spanish prisoners alive), the Reign of Terror, the heroes of the Mutiny blowing hundreds of Indians from the guns, or Cromwell's soldiers slashing Irishwomen's faces with razors, become morally neutral or even meritorious when it is felt that they were done in the ‘right’ cause. If one looks back over the past quarter of a century, one finds that there was hardly a single year when atrocity stories were not being reported from some part of the world; and yet in not one single case were these atrocities — in Spain, Russia, China, Hungary, Mexico, Amritsar, Smyrna — believed in and disapproved of by the English intelligentsia as a whole. Whether such deeds were reprehensible, or even whether they happened, was always decided according to political predilection.
The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them. For quite six years the English admirers of Hitler contrived not to learn of the existence of Dachau and Buchenwald. And those who are loudest in denouncing the German concentration camps are often quite unaware, or only very dimly aware, that there are also concentration camps in Russia. Huge events like the Ukraine famine of 1933, involving the deaths of millions of people, have actually escaped the attention of the majority of English russophiles. Many English people have heard almost nothing about the extermination of German and Polish Jews during the present war. Their own antisemitism has caused this vast crime to bounce off their consciousness. In nationalist thought there are facts which are both true and untrue, known and unknown. A known fact may be so unbearable that it is habitually pushed aside and not allowed to enter into logical processes, or on the other hand it may enter into every calculation and yet never be admitted as a fact, even in one's own mind.

I see a lot of EAO in there.

 

[Goober]

You must be familiar with the links. So is the question to difficult.

12 Links - How many are Anti Israel. You tell me? It was posted by you. How well informed are you.

 

[JLM]

1) Deliberately firing missiles and mortars at civilians.
2) Not allowing a prisoner to be seen by the Red Cross
3) Suicide bombers against civilian targets....

I don't know but asking such stupid f*****g questions should be a "forum crime". :lol:

 

[Goober]

I don't know but asking such stupid f*****g questions should be a "forum crime". :lol:

He is a product of Dumb Design.

 

[JLM]

Anyone care to start a pole on how many posts it takes before a troll tries to turn this thread into a personal attack against eao? I predict 5.

You and Cannuck should start up your own forum where you could bleep back and forth at each other and leave intelligent life forms alone! :lol:

 

[earth_as_one]

I have no problem condemning all 12 actions as war crimes. It shouldn't make any difference who does these things to make a determination.

Feel free to ignore any thread on this forum. But if you do post something on a thread, try to stay on topic...

 

[TenPenny]

I have no problem condemning all 12 actions as war crimes. It shouldn't make any difference who does these things to make a determination.

You're right, it shouldn't. Which begs the question of how and why you pick the examples you do.

 

[Goober]

I have no problem condemning all 12 actions as war crimes. It shouldn't make any difference who does these things to make a determination.

Feel free to ignore any thread on this forum. But if you do post something on a thread, try to stay on topic...

I am - How many are Anti Israel - It goes to credibility and impartiality. Qualities of a good thread, ones that you profess to have as a person.
It is on topic. So how many:-(

 

[CDNBear]

I have no problem condemning all 12 actions as war crimes.

Right before you use moral relativity, and post graphs depicting the disparity in casualty figures, to demonize Israel.

Ya we all know what kind of non violent moral relativist pacifist you are.

 

[earth_as_one]

Part of my point here is to give people a chance to state where they stand on these kinds of actions. I've heard many people here condemn action 1 on this forum as a war crime, and perhaps #2 or 3. But very few people here on this forum, western leaders or news sources have ever described actions 4-12 as war crimes.

Now you have a chance to say whether these actions are or aren't war crimes for the record. Feel free to give your own examples to back up your point.

 

[Goober]

Part of my point here is to give people a chance to state where they stand on these kinds of actions. I've heard many people here condemn action 1 on this forum as a war crime, and perhaps #2 or 3. But very few people here on this forum, western leaders or news sources have ever described actions 4-12 as war crimes.

Now you have a chance to say whether these actions are or aren't war crimes for the record. Feel free to give your own examples to back up your point.

Again - How many target Israel. If you were looking for a variety of examples then you should have posted a thread asking that specific question.
Next easily compiled lists by going thru conflicts from Asia - China -Eastern Europe - The various Stans.
Now how many.

 

[DaSleeper]

Part of my point here is to give people a chance to state where they stand on these kinds of actions. I've heard many people here condemn action 1 on this forum as a war crime, and perhaps #2 or 3. But very few people here on this forum, western leaders or news sources have ever described actions 4-12 as war crimes.

Now you have a chance to say whether these actions are or aren't war crimes for the record. Feel free to give your own examples to back up your point.

Seriously...I'm not being facetious....but.....

Do you have any other bloody interests in life besides Joo bashing???

 

[earth_as_one]

Seriously... why are you having a hard time determining what is and isn't a war crime. How is using asking for opinions regarding using civilians including children as human shields to protect soldiers from bullets and booby traps, "Joo Bashing"?

 

[TenPenny]

Part of my point here is to give people a chance to state where they stand on these kinds of actions. I've heard many people here condemn action 1 on this forum as a war crime, and perhaps #2 or 3. But very few people here on this forum, western leaders or news sources have ever described actions 4-12 as war crimes.

Now you have a chance to say whether these actions are or aren't war crimes for the record. Feel free to give your own examples to back up your point.

War is a crime, the concept of 'war crimes' is idiotic.

You're supposed to kill the enemy, but follow some bizarre code of conduct about how to kill, and what to do once you've killed, maimed or injured the other person, and not to involve civilians except for when you do. Anything the winning side does is ok, anything the losing side does is a special kind of crime.

That's completely stupid.

 

[CDNBear]

Seriously... why are you having a hard time determining what is and isn't a war crime. How is using asking for opinions regarding using civilians including children as human shields to protect soldiers from bullets and booby traps, "Joo Bashing"?

It isn't

It's the obsessive laser focous on Jews that generates the contempt you receive.

 

[Goober]

A request.
I would ask that the question listed below be the response to every reply from EAO .

Now everyone knows that EAO and I have disagreements.

A question, clear, concise and easily answered is never answered in a clear manner.

Myself I am tired of this, I would also say that there are many of the same opinion.

So we should also police ourselves and save the Mods some work.

The question is listed below, in a larger font.

Thank you for your help on this.

You must be familiar with the links. So is the question to difficult.

12 Links - How many are Anti Israel. You tell me? It was posted by you. How well informed are you.

 

[earth_as_one]

JOO: Journal of Oregon Ornithology

For the record I have nothing against the JOO or people who study birds.

For the record, none of the 12 is anti-Israel. Do you believe that Israel actually officially sanctions this behavior? FYI: I can reference Israeli court cases which support my opinion that some of these acts are war crimes or illegal according to Israeli law. Please explain how listing acts which the Israeli criminal justice system has condemned as illegal or war crimes is anti-Israel.

Notice how no one here besides me can condemn a single one of the actions on the list as a war crime.

 

[CDNBear]

For the record, none of the 12 is anti-Israel. Do you believe that Israel actually officially sanctions this behavior? FYI: I can reference to Israeli court case which support my opinion that some of these acts are war crimes or illegal according to Israeli law. Please explain how listing acts which the Israeli criminal justice system has condemned as illegal or war crimes is anti-Israel.

Why don't you tell us.

It's you that promotes the "Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity" demonization. Obsessively.

Shall I quote you?

 

[DaSleeper]

A request.
I would ask that the question listed below be the response to every reply from EAO .

Now everyone knows that EAO and I have disagreements.

A question, clear, concise and easily answered is never answered in a clear manner.

Myself I am tired of this, I would also say that there are many of the same opinion.

So we should also police ourselves and save the Mods some work.

The question is listed below, in a larger font.

Thank you for your help on this.

You must be familiar with the links. So is the question to difficult.

12 Links - How many are Anti Israel. You tell me? It was posted by you. How well informed are you.

Anyone that has read his posts can see that he has something against Jews and all or most of his posts are anti Jew (((AD Nauseum)))
But he seems to see the speck in other people's eye...... but the boulder in his own............................

 

[Goober]

JOO: Journal of Oregon Ornithology

For the record I have nothing against the JOO or people who study birds.

For the record, none of the 12 is anti-Israel. Do you believe that Israel actually officially sanctions this behavior? FYI: I can reference Israeli court cases which support my opinion that some of these acts are war crimes or illegal according to Israeli law. Please explain how listing acts which the Israeli criminal justice system has condemned as illegal or war crimes is anti-Israel.

Notice how no one here besides me can condemn a single one of the actions on the list as a war crime.

You must be familiar with the links. So is the question to difficult.

12 Links - How many are Anti Israel. You tell me? It was posted by you. How well informed are you