Anti_Islam protests victory for extremists?

[ironsides]

This building of the mosque is not about religious issues, if some of you cannot figure that out well your as stupid as those below who want public financing to do it.


If the following goes thru we are the stupidest people on this planet.

NEW YORK (Reuters) – The Muslim center planned near the site of the World Trade Center attack could qualify for tax-free financing, a spokesman for City Comptroller John Liu said on Friday, and Liu is willing to consider approving the public subsidy.

Ground Zero Muslim center may get public financing - Yahoo! News

 

[captain morgan]

This building of the mosque is not about religious issues, if some of you cannot figure that out well your as stupid as those below who want public financing to do it.


If the following goes thru we are the stupidest people on this planet.

NEW YORK (Reuters) – The Muslim center planned near the site of the World Trade Center attack could qualify for tax-free financing, a spokesman for City Comptroller John Liu said on Friday, and Liu is willing to consider approving the public subsidy.

Ground Zero Muslim center may get public financing - Yahoo! News

Although I can see a variety of possible 'motives', I don't see how you can split-out religion (or fanatical version thereof) on this issue.

 

[CDNBear]

You are more than welcome.. Afterall, you earned it, all I did is recognize the obvious.

Thanx again, lol.

As far as I'm concerned, having that ability, especially if it can be done (when appropriate) without it being interpreted in a negative light, is a tremendous personal asset.

The mosquito's have a different perspective, lol.

I've got more ten dollar words than an Olde-Tyme politician. It takes no effort for me to fill many pages just trying to say "Mary had a little lamb".

When I first came to CC, my first political forum, I got spanked in debates. Dex was an unrelenting educator. I've gone through a transition, first I was a noob, then I learned to write long eloquent posts (If I do say so myself), filled with facts (as I interpreted them). Then I learned I was wasting my time. 90% of the people how come out here, aren't here to debate, they're here to preach. I admit some guilt there too.

I recently ask Andem, a busy guy, if he would create a special section for serious debate. Where there were rules about generalizations, personalization and conceding to fact, when you can no longer defend your position. Him being as busy as he is, I'm still waiting. I hope and pray, he does create it, it would be a refreshing change from what some people call discussion out here.

 

[ironsides]

Although I can see a variety of possible 'motives', I don't see how you can split-out religion (or fanatical version thereof) on this issue.

Ground Zero Mosque is Not a Religious Freedom Issue

After the New York City Landmarks Commission voted unanimously last Tuesday to deny landmark status to 45 Park Place, thus clearing the way for the construction of an Islamic supremacist mega-mosque at Ground Zero, New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg framed the entire controversy as an issue of religious freedom. But he is ignoring some of the key issues that make this less a question of religious freedom and more one of whether or not Islamic supremacism is going to advance unimpeded in the United States.

Ground Zero Mosque is Not Just a Religious Freedom Issue - HUMAN EVENTS


Spencer: Islamic supremacist mega-mosque at Ground Zero not a religious freedom issue

Yet in reality, this is not really a freedom of religion issue at all. No one is advocating that Muslims should not be allowed to build mosques in the U.S., although I maintain that those mosques should be carefully scrutinized by law enforcement for jihad activity--and Muslims who are genuinely peaceful, eschew sharia, and are loyal American citizens should have no problem with that. The question here is one of the appropriateness of the location.

Spencer: Islamic supremacist mega-mosque at Ground Zero not a religious freedom issue - Jihad Watch



Obama makes proposed mosque in New York a national issue.

Obama makes proposed mosque in New York a national issue - The Oval: Tracking the Obama presidency


I know some of what I quoted maybe a little radical to some, but this Mosque issue is a lot more than just religious. This mosque will be a teaching and cultural center. Those reasons alone make me wary of it due to the questionable funding sources. Mosques (some) all over the world including here in the U.S. teach terrorist and holy war concepts to their constituents and some of these fools actually go someplace to fight the infidel (us).

 

[TenPenny]

Where there were rules about generalizations, personalization and conceding to fact, when you can no longer defend your position. .

I hope you're not serious about rules about 'conceding to fact when you can no longer defend your position'.

 

[CDNBear]

I hope you're not serious about rules about 'conceding to fact when you can no longer defend your position'.

Yes I am.

In the sense that the opponent can not simply say, "BS", to dismiss material presented. They must produce material to either disprove or offer an alternate view. In the absence of, they must concede to fact.

It leans more to the acceptance of undeniable fact not opinion, ie: My car has been driven for 23,600 miles. Michael Jordon was born on February 17, 1963. The Empire State Building is 1,250 feet tall, as apposed to. Beethoven is the greatest composer that ever lived. Goodnight Moon is the best children's book ever written. Extraterrestrials exist.

If you think back to debates with SJP, Mhz, eao, commonsense, you'll understand exactly what I mean. It prevents the opponent from making the same disproved claim, over and over and over.

 

[Tonington]

What unmitigated gall - Well to build such a large Mosque is -

The prayer space is two floors out of 13. They were already praying in the building that exists on site now, which is taller than two stories...

It's a cultural center, not a mosque.

I have stated all along that just because you have the right does not make it right.

And just because the majority think it's wrong, doesn't mean it is wrong. That's the whole point of having rights for all. It prevents the majority from imposing their will on smaller groups.

 

[Just the Facts]

I wonder where the Rastas sit in all this, seeing as it's clear that preventing a rastafarian from smoking or ingesting marijuana would be a clear case of racist bigotry and intolerance.

Sorry, just a little Saturday morning musing. But still, perfectly valid question.

 

[CDNBear]

I wonder where the Rastas sit in all this, seeing as it's clear that preventing a rastafarian from smoking or ingesting marijuana would be a clear case of racist bigotry and intolerance.

Sorry, just a little Saturday morning musing. But still, perfectly valid question.

Hmmm....

 

[Tonington]

Sorry, just a little Saturday morning musing. But still, perfectly valid question.

Rastafarian's smoking something in public impacts the person standing next to them. I don't catch stupid by standing next to idiots, thankfully. Though, listening to them is another matter altogether.

Any more Saturday morning red herrings?

:lol:

 

[CDNBear]

Rastafarian's smoking something in public impacts the person standing next to them.

What if they smoked it in special locations, Rasta Churches perhaps?

That's called reasonable accommodation.

 

[petros]

Rastas = Jewmaicans

 

[Tonington]

What if they smoked it in special locations, Rasta Churches perhaps?

The US Supreme Court has ruled that religious use of controlled substances is permitted. They said the Religious Freedom Restoration Act protected the rituals (psychadelic tea) of Uniao do Vegetal members from government interference. Other cases in Federal court have decided that Rasta's can smoke ganja at their ceremonies.

 

[petros]

The US Supreme Court has ruled that religious use of controlled substances is permitted. They said the Religious Freedom Restoration Act protected the rituals of Uniao do Vegetal members from government interference. Other cases in Federal court have decided that Rasta's can smoke ganja at their ceremonies.

Does that mean Christians can start doing amanitas for Christmas again?

 

[Tonington]

Does that mean Christians can start doing amanitas for Christmas again?

I don't know. They'd probably have to show that it's part of their rituals. I was raised Christian, and never came across that one, I would have remembered that!

 

[CDNBear]

The US Supreme Court has ruled that religious use of controlled substances is permitted. They said the Religious Freedom Restoration Act protected the rituals of Uniao do Vegetal members from government interference. Other cases in Federal court have decided that Rasta's can smoke ganja at their ceremonies.

I was bored Ton. Sorry.

 

[Tonington]

You don't have to apologize. There's herb out there to cure boredom...

 

[CDNBear]

You don't have to apologize. There's herb out there to cure boredom...

Ya, I do. I was sh!t stirring with you, thus not giving you the credit you deserve. My bad.

I grow it, not smoke it. ;-)

 

[Tonington]

I grow it, not smoke it. ;-)

Easier on the lungs, and pocket. I'm pretty much a straight edge now too.

 

[petros]

I don't know. They'd probably have to show that it's part of their rituals. I was raised Christian, and never came across that one, I would have remembered that!

You've never heard of the guy wearing a red and white suit who climbs down your yurt chimney and puts gifts of amanitas under you evergreen tree?