Anti_Islam protests victory for extremists?

[ironsides]

Some interesting points from Bloomberg (Mayor of New York)

- Mosque has been operating for over a year without any conflict or opposition or sensitivity from any parties
- It has only come about now because this is election season
- It is an attempt at polarizing people so politicians can get a vote
- Bloomberg is the chairman of the board for the world trade center and pretty much has a pulse on the real sentiment of families of the victims of the whole ordeal, who have all, unequivocally provided their support for the mosque to be built

You can see the interview regarding those details here..
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"Developers want to build the $100 million community center, including a mosque, at a building two blocks north of where Islamic extremists brought down the World Trade Center in 2001. Muslims have been holding prayer services at the building since last year."

Do not know where they are praying at, but the mosque is not built yet.

NY political support grows for land swap of mosque near WTC site as imam tours Mideast | StarTribune.com

 

[Tonington]

Do not know where they are praying at, but the mosque is not built yet.

NY political support grows for land swap of mosque near WTC site as imam tours Mideast | StarTribune.com

In the old Burlington Coat Factory that sits there now, damaged by landing gear on 9/11. A mosque is just a place of worship.

 

[ironsides]

In the old Burlington Coat Factory that sits there now, damaged by landing gear on 9/11. A mosque is just a place of worship.

Yes, that is all it is, but were talking about a brand spanking new one being built and not renovating some old building. There already is a mosque four blocks away from Ground Zero, why another one so close? Plus it would defuse the bad blood that exists, 9/11 is not something that happened in our ancient history it happened in recent time and is still happening now.

 

[Tonington]

Yes, that is all it is, but were talking about a brand spanking new one being built and not renovating some old building. There already is a mosque four blocks away from Ground Zero, why another one so close?

Where's the nearest Muslim community center? Those having the hardest time accepting this all seem to be focusing on the Mosque, which is only two floors of the planned thirteen.


And the Mosques in the area are all filled to capacity.

 

[Just the Facts]

And don't conflate those building this community center with Al-Qaeda, that's ridiculous.

We hope.

And the Mosques in the area are all filled to capacity.

So why only 2 floors then?

And what about the parishoners of St. Nicks? The church was a landmark that stood on the site for a century. The mosque gets fast tracked for approval and even gets the attention of the mayor and the President. The developers don't even own the site yet and they already have approval lol.

But a church. Meh. Uh-uh.

 

[Tonington]

We hope.

That goes without saying, but it's not a valid reason to leap to calling this a trophy for those who perpetrated the attack.

So why only 2 floors then?

What do you mean only? Do you know what the footprint of the biulding is? Two floors is still adding capacity.

And what about the parishoners of St. Nicks?

What about them?

The church was a landmark that stood on the site for a century.

And what happened?

The mosque gets fast tracked for approval and even gets the attention of the mayor and the President.

Fast-tracked? It's gone through one commission, and one community advisory board, and they don't even have a construction timeline in place.

The developers don't even own the site yet and they already have approval lol.

Hong Kong was built into the city it is now while the land was leased too.

 

[ironsides]

Where's the nearest Muslim community center? Those having the hardest time accepting this all seem to be focusing on the Mosque, which is only two floors of the planned thirteen.
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And the Mosques in the area are all filled to capacity.

Muslim Center of New York | Welcome

Park51, originally named Cordoba House, is a planned $100 million, 13-story, glass and steel Islamic community center and mosque in Lower Manhattan.[5] The facility's design includes a 500-seat auditorium, theater, performing arts center, fitness center, swimming pool, basketball court, childcare area, bookstore, culinary school, art studio, food court,


This is much larger than a 2 story mosque you mentioned.

 

[Tonington]

Read closer, I said:

Those having the hardest time accepting this all seem to be focusing on the Mosque, which is only two floors of the planned thirteen.

 

[YukonJack]

RNS Feature: "Future of destroyed Ground Zero Orthodox church in doubt"

Looks like it's only cool to be tolerant towards Muslims, and Christian Americans be damned.

 

[Tonington]

So clearly the issues surrounding the two are not even close to the same. The Greek Orthodox Church is negotiating with the Port authority, Park 51 has no such problem. The land is privately owned.

Tolerance has nothing to do with the Greek Orthodox negotiations...

 

[Spade]

The irony is problems are created through intolerance. If ordinary non-Christian Americans are treated as "the enemy," then this attitude from the vocal fringe alienates moderates whose support America needs! Freedom of and from religion should not be a foreign concept.

 

[petros]

Every vessel in the US navy has a mosque in it. Daily many pray to Allah before they head out for a day of fighting terrorism. Why?

 

[YukonJack]

Tonnington claims:

"Tolerance has nothing to do with the Greek Orthodox negotiations..."

The Ground Zero Mosque and the Clash of Symbols | Spero News

Doesn't it?

 

[ironsides]

Read closer, I said:

No, I am focusing on the whole Park51 or Cordoba House what ever it will be called. Remember I initially said this is not a religious issue, this is how I separated the topic. I am against any Arab consortium purchasing land on this ground.

 

[Spade]

No, I am focusing on the whole Park51 or Cordoba House what ever it will be called. Remember I initially said this is not a religious issue, this is how I separated the topic. I am against any Arab consortium purchasing land on this ground.

So, are you saying that you would support this Islamic centre if it were funded by American Moslems?

 

[Tonington]

Tonnington claims:

"Tolerance has nothing to do with the Greek Orthodox negotiations..."

The Ground Zero Mosque and the Clash of Symbols | Spero News

Doesn't it?

No, it doesn't. The Greek Orthodox Church and Port Authority were negotiating, which involved a number of issues, like land swaps, and money, and construction timelines. They couldn't agree in time, and now the underground security center is being constructed. So The Church can't be built on top of that land until the Port Authority has finished building the underground security center.

It's all in the link you supplied...

No, I am focusing on the whole Park51 or Cordoba House what ever it will be called. Remember I initially said this is not a religious issue, this is how I separated the topic. I am against any Arab consortium purchasing land on this ground.

Again, that's why human rights are meant to be universal, to prevent the majority from dictating.

America was founded on principles antithetical to tyranny.

Now that we strip away the other things you've said, we're down to prejudice. Any Arab. Nice...

 

[Just the Facts]

That goes without saying, but it's not a valid reason to leap to calling this a trophy for those who perpetrated the attack.

I absolutely agree. This is a supremacist victory mosque (trophy) whether it's directly connected to Al Qaeda or not.

What about them?

Exactly.

And what happened?

They are not able to rebuild.

Fast-tracked? It's gone through one commission, and one community advisory board, and they don't even have a construction timeline in place.

They don't even own (or have a least to) the entire property, and yet even the president has seen fit to give them his blessing, and bloomberg is falling over himself to get the mosque built. Meanwhile St. Nick's church took 9 years to be to be told "No!". I'd say that's fast tracked.

Hong Kong was built into the city it is now while the land was leased too.

See above. No lease either.

 

[Goober]

The irony is problems are created through intolerance. If ordinary non-Christian Americans are treated as "the enemy," then this attitude from the vocal fringe alienates moderates whose support America needs! Freedom of and from religion should not be a foreign concept.

I would also include that just because i have a right to do this or that does not always make it right.

And the hard right is creating even more division because of this - i also believe that this is also a stunt to create division within the US.

 

[Tonington]

I absolutely agree. This is a supremacist victory mosque (trophy) whether it's directly connected to Al Qaeda or not.

Subjective drivel.

They are not able to rebuild.

There is nothing to build on top of...the security center is being constructed. You want them to wall the construction workers in?

They don't even own (or have a least to) the entire property, and yet even the president has seen fit to give them his blessing, and bloomberg is falling over himself to get the mosque built. Meanwhile St. Nick's church took 9 years to be to be told "No!". I'd say that's fast tracked.

Read Yukon's link. The parties involved aren't the same. If you think all buildings and construction projects take place on the same time-scale, you're mistaken.

Saying something was fast-tracked means that the committees or permitting process would have been sped up, and there's no indication that this is true.

It's just empty rhetoric on your part.

See above. No lease either.

And no building yet either, in case you weren't aware...

 

[gerryh]

I would also include that just because i have a right to do this or that does not always make it right.

And the hard right is creating even more division because of this - i also believe that this is also a stunt to create division within the US.

Ultimately, who is responsible for the feelings of those that are upset over where this building is being built?