Anti_Islam protests victory for extremists?

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This is only an issue because Republicans and their allies in cable news manipulated Islamphobic fear and hatred. People who are upset about this mosque are the same nitwits who believe Obama is Muslim, Saddam Hussein had stockpiles of WMDs and the Iran has nuclear weapons.
 

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...it IS ground zero.
So how big is ground zero? I thought it was generally understood to be where the WTC towers stood, and obviously that's not where it is, it's several blocks away. How far away would it have to be before it's "acceptable," five blocks? Ten? 5 miles? The feeling I get from reports I've seen on the protests is that no distance is far enough for the protesters, they don't want it anywhere. In a nation that prides itself on being the beacon to the world of democracy and freedom and tolerance, whose founding documents are a model of Enlightenment rationality, that's simply wrong.
 

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So how big is ground zero?

Dex the fact that it's at ground zero is not controversial, even Imam Rauf initially stated that it was located at ground zero by design as a sign of "outreach". The Malaysian version of his book is titled "A call to prayer from the world trade center rubble: Islamic dawa in the heart of America".

It's just not a point worth arguing.

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In a nation that prides itself on being the beacon to the world of democracy and freedom and tolerance, whose founding documents are a model of Enlightenment rationality, that's simply wrong.

There are hundreds of mosques in NYC, and thousands in America. Where is this intolerance?
 

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Dex the fact that it's at ground zero is not controversial, even Imam Rauf initially stated that it was located at ground zero by design as a sign of "outreach". The Malaysian version of his book is titled "A call to prayer from the world trade center rubble: Islamic dawa in the heart of America".

It's just not a point worth arguing.

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There are hundreds of mosques in NYC, and thousands in America. Where is this intolerance?

I think American intolerance has established a beach head near the site of the World Trade Center and it seems to be expanding.
 
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It shouldn't even be a local issue, let alone a national one. A clear case of fear and hate manipulating propaganda

The only issue it should be is a issue of "taste on their part, it is in poor taste for them to build a mosque/shrine on or near the spot so many died in the name of Allah.
 

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Does anybody else find it funny, that the same people that defend the removal of pseudo religious paraphernalia, as a PC effort, because we should be sensitive to some peoples sensitivities. Are now negating the sensitivities of others, by calling them intolerant?

Because I do.
 

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Captain Ad hominem, right on schedule. You and SirJosephPorter should start up a web cam show. You could be like Hannity to his Colmes.

Oooh, can we throw in an after school special on global warming featuring morgan? ;)
 

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The only issue it should be is a issue of "taste on their part, it is in poor taste for them to build a mosque/shrine on or near the spot so many died in the name of Allah.

None of the people involved in this Mosque were involved in the events of 9/11. Tying this Mosque to the events of 9/11 based on religion is thinly disguised religious intolerance and bigotry. Karrie's cartoon about summarizes it.

I notice that the same people who fell for this propaganda are the same people who keep falling for it. (Iran's nuclear weapons, Iraq's WMD stockpiles...) When are some of you people going to figure it out? You are being manipulated.
 

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None of the people involved in this Mosque were involved in the events of 9/11.
True.

Tying this Mosque to the events of 9/11 based on religion is thinly disguised religious intolerance and bigotry.
False. Why aren't religions condemned as harshly as the people who think this Mosque is in poor taste, when they attack pseudo religious paraphernalia in the West?

Karrie's cartoon about summarizes it.
Sure if Suzy sexy kitty flew the 767 dildo into the WTC.

I notice that the same people who fell for this propaganda are the same people who keep falling for it. (Iran's nuclear weapons, Iraq's WMD stockpiles...)
As I already pointed out, why is it the same people that defend the attacks on western culture, as PC, now calling anyone that questions the taste of putting a Mosque at this location, intolerant or bigot?

When are some of you people going to figure it out?
You're a raging hypocrite? Ya, we already figured that out.

You are being manipulated.
Why? Because I wouldn't endorse building a Native casino over the ground of Greasy Grass Creek either?
 

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None of the people involved in this Mosque were involved in the events of 9/11.

I don't think you'd find any people who believed that anyway.

Most of us agree that the attacks on the WTC were done by extremist terrorists, who use their brand of Islam to hate the US.
In my opinion, it is completely and utterly misguided for any thinking, reasonable person, to believe it is a good idea to put an Islamic cultural / religious facility in that area. The idea behind it will be misinterpreted and distorted, and the whole thing will become perverted.

I do believe some people wondered at the logic of Protestants parading past a Catholic area in Ireland recently, which then started up fights and riots. This is the same concept - it is seen by many as an act of provocation, a deliberate insult to what is an extremely sensitive, hurtful memory.

Anyone with any common sense would see that this is a bad idea.
 

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And their right to be ignorant. It's not a mosque, it's a cultural and recreational centre. It's not at ground zero either, it's several blocks away.
Charlie Brooker | 'Ground Zero mosque'? The reality is less provocative | Comment is free | The Guardian

And educational center.

I think American intolerance has established a beach head near the site of the World Trade Center and it seems to be expanding.

Please EAO. If this is about American intolerance then clean up your own mess first before you worry about us Yanks.

There are hundreds of mosques in NYC, and thousands in America. Where is this intolerance?

No where.

And believe me, the choosing of this site as a mosque-education center is no accident. If the people who don't want this mosque built are ignorant, the planners of the mosque are just as insensitive and ignorant.

Does anybody else find it funny, that the same people that defend the removal of pseudo religious paraphernalia, as a PC effort, because we should be sensitive to some peoples sensitivities. Are now negating the sensitivities of others, by calling them intolerant?

Because I do.

I just read this and you obviously beat me to it.
 

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Sadly the focus will remain on people who are not muslim to bolster their argument. The so called tolerant ones will threaten fellow muslims to remain silent as they clearly are doing.

Stop sleeping in, lol.

I reckon I will have to stop hitting the snooze button!
 

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Sadly the focus will remain on people who are not muslim to bolster their argument. The so called tolerant ones will threaten fellow muslims to remain silent as they clearly are doing.
Raheel Raza, gets my props, she's brave and honest.

She's a good Muslim from everything I've read about or by her. But what do I know? I'm an intolerant bigot, because I recognize what she's up against and I agree with her, the Muslim center/Mosque, whatever it is, seems a little provocative.

I actually pray Allah does protect her.

I reckon I will have to stop hitting the snooze button!
My internal clock has no snooze button, lol.
 

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False. Why aren't religions condemned as harshly as the people who think this Mosque is in poor taste, when they attack pseudo religious paraphernalia in the West?

The association here is that a subculture of one particular religion is associated with that particular religion. That the same people should be just as intolerant with other religions, does not justify their intolerance with that particular religion. In other words, you only reinforce the point that we should not identify any religions with their extremists. Rather, we should make an educated decision as to whether the mosque/community center promotes extremism - the same extremism that caused 9/11. Clearly it does not and has nothing to do with that act.

As I already pointed out, why is it the same people that defend the attacks on western culture, as PC, now calling anyone that questions the taste of putting a Mosque at this location, intolerant or bigot?

I wouldn't get caught up in any political groups or politically charged words, and rather deal with the issue at hand. If you get stuck in this ball of yarn, the whole argument just gets thrown off course.


I don't think you'd find any people who believed that anyway.

Most of us agree that the attacks on the WTC were done by extremist terrorists, who use their brand of Islam to hate the US.

In my opinion, it is completely and utterly misguided for any thinking, reasonable person, to believe it is a good idea to put an Islamic cultural / religious facility in that area. The idea behind it will be misinterpreted and distorted, and the whole thing will become perverted.

I do believe some people wondered at the logic of Protestants parading past a Catholic area in Ireland recently, which then started up fights and riots. This is the same concept - it is seen by many as an act of provocation, a deliberate insult to what is an extremely sensitive, hurtful memory.

Anyone with any common sense would see that this is a bad idea.

Your justification for what is reasonable is based on the attempt to withdraw from the provocation of ignorants. If everyone acted reasonably by your definition, we would continue to harbour ignorance without bringing important topical debates to the forefront.

Essentially, Obama's assertion of the mosque/community centre was indeed a provocation of the ignorant. And while it has caused an initial rift, this clash of ideals will only be a good thing for Western culture. And it won't be too long from now that those same people who are offended will realize it was a silly thing to worry about in the first place.
 

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The association here is that a subculture of one particular religion is associated with that particular religion.
You'll have to give me a minute to respectfully reply to your post mentalfloss.
Should Christian churches be allowed near the Oklahoma bombing site?
Yes, because McVeigh wasn't a Christian, who actually stated, he had lost touch with God.

But thanx for posting an excellent, humourous stretch of the imagination.