Anti-vaxxers, anti-maskers file $11M lawsuit against Trudeau

Jinentonix

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Personally I think the masks are a waste of time. If you don't have the discipline of a surgeon to not keep touching your face and then touching other stuff, well, it's an exercise in futility that makes it look like the govt is doing something while causing some people to get all f*cking holier-than-thou about wearing a mask.
 

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It's hilarious that governments everywhere have convinced people that muzzles are good for them. Even funnier that banks now forbid the wearing of tinted glasses.

If you want to go buy a gun at Cabela's you have to cover your face and obscure your identity or they won't let you in. But don't forget your PAL with photo ID. LOL!!
 

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It's hilarious that governments everywhere have convinced people that muzzles are good for them. Even funnier that banks now forbid the wearing of tinted glasses.

If you want to go buy a gun at Cabela's you have to cover your face and obscure your identity or they won't let you in. But don't forget your PAL with photo ID. LOL!!

No mask here in Alberta, and I bought a gun safe 2 days ago
 

Decapoda

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It will be a cold day in hell before I side with anti-vaxers on anything.
Just like everything else today, societal influencers have found it exceedingly efficient to put people against each other and create division within our society in order to force an idea or agenda. Nothing is ever quite as black and white as you may believe. Just like the yellow vest movement, black lives matter, etc. it's a little bit more nuanced than simply labelling anyone who is skeptical of the current narrative. "You're either a normal person, or an extreme tin foil hat wearing "anti-vaxer".... It's not true.

Believe it or not, you can be skeptical of the safety of a vaccine that would typically take years to develop... but has been pushed out in 8 months without being an "anti-vaxer". These labels are intended to discourage resistance and promote conformity. Funny though, you don't really see skeptics calling you an extremist, impugning your judgment or labeling you for being pro-vaccine. You don't see them trying to persuade you not to take the vaccine.

Oh, and btw, the article in the OP doesn't seem to have much to do with "anti-vaxers". The lawsuit appears to be over their response to the pandemic including business closures, mask mandates and social distancing rules.

The plaintiffs are arguing that the defendants' "extreme, unwarranted and unjustified" responses to the pandemic were "not scientific, nor medically based, nor proven." They also allege government mask mandates can cause "physical and psychological harm," according to the lawsuit.
 

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Just like everything else today, societal influencers have found it exceedingly efficient to put people against each other and create division within our society in order to force an idea or agenda. Nothing is ever quite as black and white as you may believe. Just like the yellow vest movement, black lives matter, etc. it's a little bit more nuanced than simply labelling anyone who is skeptical of the current narrative. "You're either a normal person, or an extreme tin foil hat wearing "anti-vaxer".... It's not true.

Believe it or not, you can be skeptical of the safety of a vaccine that would typically take years to develop... but has been pushed out in 8 months without being an "anti-vaxer". These labels are intended to discourage resistance and promote conformity. Funny though, you don't really see skeptics calling you an extremist, impugning your judgment or labeling you for being pro-vaccine. You don't see them trying to persuade you not to take the vaccine.

Oh, and btw, the article in the OP doesn't seem to have much to do with "anti-vaxers". The lawsuit appears to be over their response to the pandemic including business closures, mask mandates and social distancing rules.

The plaintiffs are arguing that the defendants' "extreme, unwarranted and unjustified" responses to the pandemic were "not scientific, nor medically based, nor proven." They also allege government mask mandates can cause "physical and psychological harm," according to the lawsuit.
I am guilty of only reading the article's title. But I doubt they stand a chance of winning.
 
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Decapoda

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I am guilty of only reading the article's title. But I doubt they stand a chance of winning.
Maybe...maybe not. But it's refreshing to see that some people still have some desire to push back against the establishment rather than just roll over and watch their country go broke, their freedoms revoked, and their society submit to what looks more and more every day like authoritarian rule. The amount of control government has over people is precisely determined by the amount that the people will tolerate.
 

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Maybe...maybe not. But it's refreshing to see that some people still have some desire to push back against the establishment rather than just roll over and watch their country go broke, their freedoms revoked, and their society submit to what looks more and more every day like authoritarian rule. The amount of control government has over people is precisely determined by the amount that the people will tolerate.
I always look at the reasons behind and evaluate if it is reasonable before I decide to 'push back'. I don't just 'push back' because the direction came from the government.
 

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The right way to carry out the vaccination phase so that we don't have the crazies run amok (and avoid creating two classes of people) is to let it be voluntary and see where the numbers go.

If cases go down dramatically, then nothing else needs to be done, really.
 

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I always look at the reasons behind and evaluate if it is reasonable before I decide to 'push back'. I don't just 'push back' because the direction came from the government.
And in the case of vaccination, like anything else, I will do what needs to be done to protect myself and my family, and let the antis fall by the wayside!asshole.jpg
 

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we all should be ready to stand and support and/or join protesting this abomination of our natural rights as free humans
if not, we will be on our knees for generations

show of hands, who has been able to discuss or add to their new normal/reset plans?
we are to just sit-back and shut-up as they fundamentally change our society to their decrees, and allow them to inject foreign rna/dna into our cells
allow them to take and own everything, while they generously allow us to rent/lease everything
you'd be surprised how many people are begging for the government to strip them of all their humanity and become chattel slaves

there is nothing as anti-science as open dialog being shut down
we are descending into a technocratic oligarchy (a small group of elites and their 'experts), and any opposing views are derogatorily labeled and censored

this 'anti-vaxxer' narrative was visibly being ramped-up in the years preceding this 'pandemic', and here we are with the hatred firmly implanted triggered
it is now a visceral reaction impervious to facts, and you can see this throughout this episode
they demand peer-reviewed studies, so you produce them, they call you names, they point out how the orange man in a foreign country is evil, never an open discussion of the available data
not from media, not from government, not from science bodies, not from social platforms, nowhere will you find open discussion without a concerted effort on your part to search like a detective (like the lady in the vid above, just an average person doing the research we should have been given for informed consent)

masks don't work for this, proven by all the studies (statistically insignificant help for a very negative physical, mental and social gain)
lock-downs don't work, the data is undeniable

livelihoods destroyed, suicides, depression/rage, cancers and heart conditions going undiagnosed (look for spikes in the years ahead), millions of children projected to die and enter poverty again (for the first time in a long time the world is getting economically worse off instead of growing)
all this for a disease that infects 0.55% of the population, and has a 99.92% chance of recovery for those under 70
(a total population under 70 survival rate of 99.99956%)

- on to some written evidence -

from a study in the lancet:
Lastly, government actions such as border closures, full lockdowns, and a high rate of COVID-19 testing were not associated with statistically significant reductions in the number of critical cases or overall mortality.

a study in japan:
Face mask use in health care workers has not been demonstrated to provide benefit in terms of cold symptoms or getting colds.

from the annals of internal medicine comes this study:
...a recommendation to wear a surgical mask when outside the home among others did not reduce, at conventional levels of statistical significance, incident SARS-CoV-2 infection compared with no mask recommendation.


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we all should be ready to stand and support and/or join protesting this abomination of our natural rights as free humans
if not, we will be on our knees for generations

show of hands, who has been able to discuss or add to their new normal/reset plans?
we are to just sit-back and shut-up as they fundamentally change our society to their decrees, and allow them to inject foreign rna/dna into our cells
allow them to take and own everything, while they generously allow us to rent/lease everything
you'd be surprised how many people are begging for the government to strip them of all their humanity and become chattel slaves

there is nothing as anti-science as open dialog being shut down
we are descending into a technocratic oligarchy (a small group of elites and their 'experts), and any opposing views are derogatorily labeled and censored

this 'anti-vaxxer' narrative was visibly being ramped-up in the years preceding this 'pandemic', and here we are with the hatred firmly implanted triggered
it is now a visceral reaction impervious to facts, and you can see this throughout this episode
they demand peer-reviewed studies, so you produce them, they call you names, they point out how the orange man in a foreign country is evil, never an open discussion of the available data
not from media, not from government, not from science bodies, not from social platforms, nowhere will you find open discussion without a concerted effort on your part to search like a detective (like the lady in the vid above, just an average person doing the research we should have been given for informed consent)

masks don't work for this, proven by all the studies (statistically insignificant help for a very negative physical, mental and social gain)
lock-downs don't work, the data is undeniable

livelihoods destroyed, suicides, depression/rage, cancers and heart conditions going undiagnosed (look for spikes in the years ahead), millions of children projected to die and enter poverty again (for the first time in a long time the world is getting economically worse off instead of growing)
all this for a disease that infects 0.55% of the population, and has a 99.92% chance of recovery for those under 70
(a total population under 70 survival rate of 99.99956%)

- on to some written evidence -

from a study in the lancet:
Lastly, government actions such as border closures, full lockdowns, and a high rate of COVID-19 testing were not associated with statistically significant reductions in the number of critical cases or overall mortality.

a study in japan:
Face mask use in health care workers has not been demonstrated to provide benefit in terms of cold symptoms or getting colds.

from the annals of internal medicine comes this study:
...a recommendation to wear a surgical mask when outside the home among others did not reduce, at conventional levels of statistical significance, incident SARS-CoV-2 infection compared with no mask recommendation.


- and some pictorial evidence -

So much wrong in this post.

You can't fix stupid.
 
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petros

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What wrong with his post? We've been pushed into a depression over a flu with symptoms that are all treatable and even avoidable.

There is rotten shit going on that makes no sense. Only 122 people in Canada who've died of Covid are outside of Long Term Care.

Attention should have been focused on those LTCs from day one.

99+% survivable for everyone except those in LTC where it's 96% survivable.

Kids going to school, people working, the economy rolling, sports, entertainment rolling isnt killing seniors, ignorance is.

Rapid testing has been available for 5 months and the testing isnt being done on LTC staff. Even 2 weeks on and two weeks off for LTC staff corrects this issue.

Youd almost think they are deliberately ignoring those in LTC.